[Zope-dev] Application Server [was: Re: PHP vs Zope cost benefit]

2002-04-24 Thread Myroslav Opyr
Jason Spisak wrote: [snip] To recap what turned the tides were these wins: 1. Zope's security model is far more scalable and flexible than anything home brewed in PHP. 2. The scurity model is also audited by any, many people and tested and in production all over the place. ;-)

Re: [Zope-dev] Ordered Folder (was: Speaking of 2.6...)

2002-04-24 Thread Lennart Regebro
From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] OrderedFolder is not about having an ordered default view in the management interface. I know that. Still, you do get an ordered default view with OrderedFolder (unless something changed very recently). ___

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP vs Zope cost benefit

2002-04-24 Thread Joseph Cheek
nope. that's a function of the DB, not PHP. if the DB is written right it will roll back/commit transactions automatically. so this becomes an argument for zope over php+some really lame DB, not zope over php regardless. 8-) [agreed that the linuxjournal commit/rollback code is hairy, but

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP is to Perl as Java is to C++

2002-04-24 Thread Nicola Larosa
It's unethical to evangelize badly design languages, even if it's simply out of ignorance, and especially if it's in the name of job security through code obscurity. The fact that sombody's invested years in learning C++ or Perl is no justification for spreading the disease, when there are

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT vs DTML, again ;-)

2002-04-24 Thread Chris Withers
Not sure where Nico was quoting from but I saw my name so thought I'd comment ;-) Nicola Larosa wrote: About the separation between contentlayout, you are not obliged to use ZPT to get that (don't belive a certain Mr. Withers here ;)). Yes, you are. Well, the anonymous poster was right

Re: [Zope-dev] Tyring to FTP to Zope running behind firewall, get login box but no directory listing

2002-04-24 Thread Richard Barrett
At 17:52 23/04/2002 -0700, Jason Spisak wrote: It would appear that their FTP implementation is not working correctly, when connecting to a Zope FTP system behind a firewall. Zope is running on port 8880 and ftp service works fine from inside the firewall on port 8821. From outside the

Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP and Zope

2002-04-24 Thread R. David Murray
On 24 Apr 2002, Tim Hoffman wrote: I have check the WebServices in cvs.zope.org, but it appears to me that it is a standalone implementation. Has anyone tackled this yet. If you search the mailing list archives for SOAP you might be able to find references to work someone did a while back on

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP vs Zope cost benefit

2002-04-24 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Joseph Cheek wrote: nope. that's a function of the DB, not PHP. if the DB is written right it will roll back/commit transactions automatically. so this becomes an argument for zope over php+some really lame DB, not zope over php regardless. 8-) [agreed that the

Re: [Zope-dev] Ordered Folder (was: Speaking of 2.6...)

2002-04-24 Thread Florent Guillaume
Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also do we want all folders to be ordered by default ? I wouldn't want this. I don't know how ordered folder works nowadays, but I want it sorted on name by default. Standard Folders are *explicitly* sorted by name by default, so the fact that the

Re: [Zope-dev] Ordered Folder (was: Speaking of 2.6...)

2002-04-24 Thread Lennart Regebro
From: Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Standard Folders are *explicitly* sorted by name by default, so the fact that the underlying objectValues() returns ordered objects is of no consequence here. So the UI is sorted by default, but objectValues is ordered? Perfect!

Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP and Zope

2002-04-24 Thread Andy McKay
The SOAP integration that has been done is similar to the automagical xml-rpc integration so its really not that good. http://www.ppetru.net/software/index.html I got some WebServices working using SOAP in Zope about the same time Brian worked on it using hacked up soaplib libraries they

[Zope-dev] Re: Tyring to FTP to Zope running behind firewall,

2002-04-24 Thread Jason Spisak
I'll try to get the KDE ftp ioslave to do PASV. We'll see. Otherwise WebDAV seems to be a rather neat way of visually going about things. Thanks for all the help Zopistas! On Wednesday 24 April 2002 7:42 am, you wrote: Make sure you're using FTP in passive mode .. Active FTP vs. Passive

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP vs Zope cost benefit

2002-04-24 Thread Leonardo Rochael Almeida
On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 21:36, Jason Spisak wrote: [...] 5. The transactional nature of Zope (although they didn't believe me when it came to rolling back multiple dbs) impressed them and if it really can mange a rollback from from a DB and transaction safety for inventory,etc...(which I

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT vs DTML, again ;-)

2002-04-24 Thread Nicola Larosa
(apparently the latest versions of ASP also have the idea of using tag attributes to store markup code) Naah, can't believe they copied PythonLabs this fast! Or are we both copying somebody else? -- Two witches watch two watches. Which witch watched which watch? Nicola Larosa - [EMAIL

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP vs Zope cost benefit

2002-04-24 Thread Jason Spisak
This means that every Update/Insert command make sthe ZODB grow, right? Has anyone had experience with Packing a site with high traffic in a case like this (RDBMS backend)? What happens? On Wednesday 24 April 2002 12:55 pm, Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 21:36,

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Annce] Zope 2.4.4 Available

2002-04-24 Thread Michael Best
Error Report: On Redhat-Skipjack 7.2.93: # tar -xvzf Zope-2.4.4-linux2-x86.tgz # cd Zope-2.4.4-linux2-x86 # bin/python bin/python: relocation error: bin/python: undefined symbol: atexit ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Zope-dev] zope/python question

2002-04-24 Thread Dirk Datzert
Hi, I saw in some products a __of__ operator and looked at the python.org for a documentation. I didn't found one. Can anybody tell me what the __of__ does ? Or tell me a URL for the documentation of the __of__ operator ? Thanks, Dirk ___

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP vs Zope cost benefit

2002-04-24 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Jason Spisak wrote: This means that every Update/Insert command make sthe ZODB grow, right? Has anyone had experience with Packing a site with high traffic in a case like this (RDBMS backend)? What happens? No, and RDBMS update or insert does *not* cause the zodb to

Re: [Zope-dev] zope/python question

2002-04-24 Thread Steve Alexander
Dirk Datzert wrote: Hi, I saw in some products a __of__ operator and looked at the python.org for a documentation. I didn't found one. Can anybody tell me what the __of__ does ? It creates an acquisition wrapper for the object the method belongs to, in the context of the object you

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP vs Zope cost benefit

2002-04-24 Thread Jason Spisak
Thanks Leonardo, I was confusing the two. The encapsulation, yes that makes a lot more sense. On Wednesday 24 April 2002 2:44 pm, R. David Murray wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Jason Spisak wrote: This means that every Update/Insert command make sthe ZODB grow, right? Has anyone had

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP vs Zope cost benefit

2002-04-24 Thread Leonardo Rochael Almeida
On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 17:39, Jason Spisak wrote: This means that every Update/Insert command make sthe ZODB grow, right? Wrong. Transactions allways happen. An insert/update causes the db adapter in question to register itself for transactions, but ZODB itself won't inflate unless an object

Re: [Zope-dev] PHP vs Zope cost benefit

2002-04-24 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 04:55 PM 4/24/02 -0300, Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: As for multiple DB rollback, yes, that works as advertised, and is actually really easy to believe if you explain them how it works. Truth is, Two-Phase-Commit was INVENTED (a long time ago, and not in Zope) to make it possible to commit

[Zope-dev] Running methods on Zope startup.

2002-04-24 Thread grahamd
Is there a Zope product out there which implements a Startup like folder for Zope? That is, I want to be able to have a folder like object called Startup in the root directory, and when Zope is first started I want Zope to automatically make a call against the Startup object which could then in

Re: [Zope-dev] Running methods on Zope startup.

2002-04-24 Thread Chris McDonough
Something like this is slated for Zope 2.6. If possible (and that's a big if at the moment, with the work we've got lined up), it is my intention to create a service which does the following: - Searches for an appropriately-named on-disk directory (var/startup probably). - Iterates over the

[Zope-dev] Is there a de facto standard for manage_add() behavior?

2002-04-24 Thread Craeg K Strong
Hello: I have a question about style. My ExternalFile product enables one to create zope objects that behave like DTML methods or DTML documents but point to external files for their content. The creation routines handle many different possible cases - external file does not exist yet,