Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2003-01-28 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Sunday 26 January 2003 7:25 pm, Kazuya FUKAMACHI wrote: Have you decided which version the patch should be included? I combined 4 of the patches and Yousei Tahara's patch into single patch and published for japanese users on Jan 15.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2003-01-27 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Sunday 26 January 2003 7:25 pm, Kazuya FUKAMACHI wrote: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:33:40 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently looking at getting this into 2.6.1 or 2.6.2. I would appreciate confirmation that you are all happy with this combination of patches. Have

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2003-01-26 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:33:40 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently looking at getting this into 2.6.1 or 2.6.2. I would appreciate confirmation that you are all happy with this combination of patches. Have you decided which version the patch should be included? I've

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2003-01-14 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Saturday 21 December 2002 10:54 pm, Kazuya FUKAMACHI wrote: I applied Toby's patch + Yousei's patch, and it works. Thanks to your neat piece of work, I can start to work on Zope 2.6.0 now, and go farther. I am currently looking at getting this into 2.6.1 or 2.6.2. I would appreciate

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2003-01-14 Thread Yusei Tahara
Hi. I am currently looking at getting this into 2.6.1 or 2.6.2. I would appreciate confirmation that you are all happy with this combination of patches. Thank you:-) BTW, I was asked for upload my patch on collector. Could you put it in a issue 737 page? I don't permit to upload it.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-21 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Friday 20 December 2002 6:26 pm, Yusei TAHARA wrote: 1. browsers autodetection make a mistake. Not a browser mistake - this is *my* mistake. thanks. 2. management_page_charset_tag really needs? Yes, I agree with your analysis. I made a patch for fix those problems. It looks good work on

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-21 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
Hi, On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:26:49 +0900 Yusei TAHARA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to your patch 03-properties.diff, then I found two problems. 1. browsers autodetection make a mistake. 2. management_page_charset_tag really needs? I applied Toby's patch + Yousei's patch, and it works.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 2:15 am, Kazuya FUKAMACHI wrote: 5) Toby's proposal I hope +1. I'm not satisfied with (1)-(4). So, I would like to wait for Toby's implementation. Ive not had as much time for this as I hoped, so please excuse any rough edges in these patch. All comments

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:16:38 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive not had as much time for this as I hoped, so please excuse any rough edges in these patch. All comments gratefully accepted. http://collector.zope.org/Zope/737 I've looked through each patches. I truly

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Friday 20 December 2002 2:22 pm, Kazuya FUKAMACHI wrote: if all of them are included in Zope 2.6.1. The final beta is due today. If that goes to plan then it is already too late. 2.6.2 is a realistic target. -- Toby Dickenson http://www.geminidataloggers.com/people/tdickenson

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Florent Guillaume
Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The final beta is due today. Was this announced somewhere? I really wish the release schedule was a bit more known in advance. Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) +33 1 40 33 79 87 http://nuxeo.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:35:15 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The final beta is due today. If that goes to plan then it is already too late. 2.6.2 is a realistic target. Ouch! Anyway, I will test them. Thanks Kazuya Fukamachi ___

RE: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The final beta is due today. Was this announced somewhere? I really wish the release schedule was a bit more known in advance. It was announced on this list (and zope-coders) a couple of weeks ago. FYI - with the holidays and other things going

RE: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Florent Guillaume
Ok sorry, I stand corrected. (BTW Brian your clock seems wrong) On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 03:52, Brian Lloyd wrote: Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The final beta is due today. Was this announced somewhere? I really wish the release schedule was a bit more known in advance.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Yusei TAHARA
Hi. 2.6.2 is a realistic target. Sure. I tried to your patch 03-properties.diff, then I found two problems. 1. browsers autodetection make a mistake. dtml-var u' ' makes some web browsers confuse, it ignores meta tag charset and autodetect UTF8.So I will remove dtml-var u' ', when REQUEST has

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-20 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:16:38 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive not had as much time for this as I hoped, so please excuse any rough edges in these patch. All comments gratefully accepted. http://collector.zope.org/Zope/737 Wow! I'll check it out soon. Yusei already found

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-17 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:32:11 +0900 Kazuya FUKAMACHI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure which is better; 1) adopting new environment value, Z_SOMETHING ie. Z_DEFUALT_CHARSET ? 2) using locale.getlocale()[1] needs some abstruction layer umm, let's try some locale

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-16 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:12:22 +0900 Kazuya FUKAMACHI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, if it takes a few months or longer, I will try to modify Russian patch as an experiment, maybe taking in your approach in some degree. Is that bad idea? I believe it's good idea, as Russian patch's approach

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-16 Thread Yusei Tahara
Hi. Probably os.environ.get('Z_SOMETHING') might be a better way than locale.getlocale()[1], because using locale.getlocale()[1] means that the behaviour of Zope will be changed implicitly, whereas os.environ.get('Z_SOMETHING') is more explicit for the users, thus less confusing.. Nice idea.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-16 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:08:19 +0900 Yusei Tahara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NAKAMURA wrote: Probably os.environ.get('Z_SOMETHING') might be a better way than locale.getlocale()[1], because using locale.getlocale()[1] means that the behaviour of Zope will be changed implicitly, whereas

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-12 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
Thank you for the detailed comment.. On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:15:37 +0900 Kazuya FUKAMACHI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- 2) Russian patch: http://itconnection.ru/pipermail/zopyrus/2002-November/001388.html +0.5

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-12 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
The current status of each resolutions (my own perception): --- 1) Nakagami Patch: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2002-November/018177.html - security concern 2) Russian patch:

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-12 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:51:48 -0800 Heiichiro NAKAMURA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the problem is the difference of char-encoding naming convention: even among Posix-complient OSes, the naming of encodings are vender dependent (the situation is the same among RDBMS vendors). If I were to

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-10 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Tuesday 10 December 2002 12:03 am, Kazuya FUKAMACHI wrote: On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:18:26 -0800 Heiichiro NAKAMURA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Whenever any experimental enhancements to the ZMI which rely on using Unicode is to be integrated, create an new tab and put these features

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-10 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Monday 09 December 2002 9:18 pm, Heiichiro NAKAMURA wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:13:16 + I agree with everything, except This is a tentative limitation on UI design, and should be removed after the Unicode Support gets matured enough to handle Unicode object with all

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-10 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
Now there are five candidates of resolution for the Collector 623 issue raised: --- 1) Nakagami Patch: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2002-November/018177.html 2) Russian patch:

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-10 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:12:19 -0800 Heiichiro NAKAMURA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- 2) Russian patch: http://itconnection.ru/pipermail/zopyrus/2002-November/001388.html +0.5 i) I like such an approach. - select

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-10 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:52:06 -0800 Heiichiro NAKAMURA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:52:09 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 10 December 2002 12:03 am, Kazuya FUKAMACHI wrote: On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:18:26 -0800

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-09 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Monday 09 December 2002 2:20 am, Heiichiro NAKAMURA wrote: On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:58:16 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 05 December 2002 9:36 pm, Toby Dickenson wrote: Yes, I have an idea. I hope to find time to flesh it out early next week. I propose:

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-09 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:13:16 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Any experimental enhancements to the ZMI which rely on using unicode must be integrated into the official version in the manner that it doesn't affect the behaviour of 'legacy' applications, I disagree.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-09 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:18:26 -0800 Heiichiro NAKAMURA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Whenever any experimental enhancements to the ZMI which rely on using Unicode is to be integrated, create an new tab and put these features in that page in order: Sounds reasonable. USA is #1 in Internet

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-08 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Thursday 05 December 2002 9:36 pm, Toby Dickenson wrote: On Thursday 05 December 2002 8:41 pm, Heiichiro NAKAMURA wrote: Does anyone have any other idea for the Collector 623 issue? I hope better ideas will be posted.. Yes, I have an idea. I hope to find time to flesh it out early next

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-08 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:58:16 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 05 December 2002 9:36 pm, Toby Dickenson wrote: Yes, I have an idea. I hope to find time to flesh it out early next week. I propose: Here is my understanding of your proposal: 1.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-05 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
So far, I believe there have been three choices of resolutions raised, for the Collector 623 issue: 1) Nakagami Patch: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2002-November/018177.html 2) Russian patch: http://itconnection.ru/pipermail/zopyrus/2002-November/001388.html 3) TAHARA's

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-05 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Thursday 05 December 2002 8:41 pm, Heiichiro NAKAMURA wrote: Does anyone have any other idea for the Collector 623 issue? I hope better ideas will be posted.. Yes, I have an idea. I hope to find time to flesh it out early next week. ___

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-05 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:36:49 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any other idea for the Collector 623 issue? I hope better ideas will be posted.. Yes, I have an idea. I hope to find time to flesh it out early next week. Good news. Appreciated your time on this

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-05 Thread Yusei Tahara
Hi. Sorry, I noticed that my patch is defective. It is failure when object has own Property:-( -- Yusei ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-03 Thread Yusei TAHARA
Hi. I made monkey patch for myself, when management_page_charset is not UTF-8, this patch remove :utf8: from non unicode type input field. because if input values are not latin-1, then unicode error raised. I think that every encoding can be used it satisfactory:-) Please consider

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-03 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Tuesday 03 December 2002 1:16 pm, Yusei TAHARA wrote: Hi. I made monkey patch for myself, when management_page_charset is not UTF-8, this patch remove :utf8: from non unicode type input field. because if input values are not latin-1, then unicode error raised. I think that

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-03 Thread Yusei TAHARA
Hi. What thing is concretely some details? The fix to this situation is more complicated than removing a :utf8: from somewhere that it shouldnt be. Im sure you know this. At this point Zope2.6.x, my guess is that would not clear up this problem completely.But my patch allows to use both

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-03 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:52:31 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some details missing from your explanation, but hopefully not from your patch. where do I find it? What thing is concretely some details? The fix to this situation is more complicated than removing a

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-12-02 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:25:26 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to do that if it works for you, but a patch for this approach will not be accepted into the standard Zope. See this bug report for an explanation of why this contradict's Zope's current unicode approach:

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-30 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Saturday 30 November 2002 5:39 am, Yusei TAHARA wrote: 2. ustring can not join or replace to 8-bit strings other than ascii. Yes, it is painful to work in a mix of pre-encoded 8 bit strings and unicode strings. Thats why Zope's unicode policy was intended to be entirely optional - at least

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-29 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Friday 29 November 2002 5:44 am, Yusei Tahara wrote: Hi. The right approach is to make it possible to change the title property to a unicode string. All my custom products have this already, but it is a deficiency in the standard Zope types such as 'Folder' that their titles type can

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-29 Thread Yusei TAHARA
Hi. As I understand it, you dont want to do anything in unicode. You store, manipulate, process, and output strings as 8-bit pre-encoded strings. You are making an assumption that these 8-bit strings use some specific character encoding. The scope of this assumption is quite broad. It has

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-28 Thread Kazuya FUKAMACHI
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:47:04 +0900 Hajime Nakagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zope 2.6.0 have a problem for non 'iso-8859-1' user. And Collector 623 is still incollect now. http://collector.zope.org/Zope/623 It's serious problem for CJK(I'm Japanese). So I make patch for 2.6.0.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-28 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Thursday 28 November 2002 12:47 am, Hajime Nakagami wrote: Hi ! Zope 2.6.0 have a problem for non 'iso-8859-1' user. And Collector 623 is still incollect now. http://collector.zope.org/Zope/623 It's serious problem for CJK(I'm Japanese). So I make patch for 2.6.0.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-28 Thread Heiichiro NAKAMURA
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:25:26 + Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to do that if it works for you, but a patch for this approach will not be accepted into the standard Zope. See this bug report for an explanation of why this contradict's Zope's current unicode approach:

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-28 Thread Yusei Tahara
Hi. The right approach is to make it possible to change the title property to a unicode string. All my custom products have this already, but it is a deficiency in the standard Zope types such as 'Folder' that their titles type can not be changed. This approach is not useful for me. I

[Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-27 Thread Hajime Nakagami
Hi ! Zope 2.6.0 have a problem for non 'iso-8859-1' user. And Collector 623 is still incollect now. http://collector.zope.org/Zope/623 It's serious problem for CJK(I'm Japanese). So I make patch for 2.6.0. http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/zope260-i18n-20021123.diff 1.Install $ cd $(INST_HOME) $

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6.0 ZMI Problem for CJK(Collector 623) patch.

2002-11-27 Thread Hajime Nakagami
Sorry http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/nakagami/zope260-i18n-20021123.diff http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/zope260-i18n-20021123.diff ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML