Re: [Zope-dev] Creating IMAP and SMTP services for Zope

2001-02-04 Thread Steve Alexander

ender wrote:

 
 On Saturday 03 February 2001 10:28, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
  
 I'm wondering about creating IMAP and SMTP services for Zope.
 Someone mentioned to me that extending (using?) the ZServer
 could be a Good Thing (tm).
 
 probably. i've always been curious though about the threads in zserver, i 
 thought they were allocated to handle only zpublisher requests (maybe just 
 http requests). assuming you don't want to tie up the thread handling the 
 asyncore it seems you might need to create a pool of threads for handling 
 requests, or adjust your code to translate imap/smtp requests into zpublisher 
 requests so the default pool can be used. 

Or, I guess, you could implement the whole thing as a ZEO client, and avoid
interfering with the threads of your webserving Zope.

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[Zope-dev] test

2001-02-04 Thread Robin Becker

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[Zope-dev] FTP PUT'ing images doesn't create Image objects?

2001-02-04 Thread Chris Withers

 This would be nice for images too. Just today I was
 uploading a bunch via FTP and though the same thing,
 wouldn't it be nice if it knew these were made into
 image objs?

I thought images would be created here? I'd stick this one in the
collector...

cheers,

Chris


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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Annce] DTML Eval Tag Released

2001-02-04 Thread Phill Hugo

Casey Duncan wrote:

 Hi Phill,
 
 Thanks for the feedback. As for the REQUEST vs.
 RESPONSE usage, the latter can't be used to store
 values and is really there as a way to communicate to
 the browser. The former is used pretty regularly to
 store scratch variables already.

Looks like the set() method has been removed from 2.3. I remember using
it many a time in 2.2 and 2.1 to do this kind of thing though.

RESPONSE.set() worked in the same way as REQUEST.set() but without
messing REQUEST up (which in the same light is just a way for the
browser to communicate with you)

Looks like RESPONSE.__setitem__ maps things directly to the setHeader()
method.

snip

 A possible solution to this is for the method to push
 an empty scratch namespace for itself when it starts
 and pop it when it finishes. Then the eval tag can
 just use this namespace to store variables. I
 considered that too complex for my first release, but
 I certainly will reconsider it for future ones.

This does sound like the way to go.

Phill

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Pablo Bleyer Kocik



Chris Withers wrote:

 Pablo Bleyer Kocik wrote:
 
  I am running Zope 2.3.0 under Linux in a remote machine. When I
  try to access Medusa through FTP (port 8021) using Netscape 4.5 under
  Windows, Zope dies silently. Is this a known issue? How can I trace
  what is happening to Zope's FTP server causing it to die?

 Stick it in the collector:

 classic.zope.org:8080/Collector

 (it's down at the moment :-( )

 cheers,

 Chris

Yep, I was going to do that. However I wanted to track the bug a
little
more.

The problem is not with Netscape; through plain vanilla FTP
utility I
get the same situation. But now comes the nice part: If I login to the
machine and restart Zope then, *without* leaving the shell prompt, the
FTP
access works fine. I get the access and success login notices in the
screen. If I logout and I try to login with ftp again, Zope RIPs ;^/

Cheers!

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Chris Withers

Keep CC'ing in the list, this might rign bells for someone else...

...sadly not for me :-S

cheers,

Chris

Pablo Bleyer Kocik wrote:
 
 Chris Withers wrote:
 
  Pablo Bleyer Kocik wrote:
  
   I am running Zope 2.3.0 under Linux in a remote machine. When I
   try to access Medusa through FTP (port 8021) using Netscape 4.5 under
   Windows, Zope dies silently. Is this a known issue? How can I trace
   what is happening to Zope's FTP server causing it to die?
 
  Stick it in the collector:
 
  classic.zope.org:8080/Collector
 
  (it's down at the moment :-( )
 
  cheers,
 
  Chris
 
 Yep, I was going to do that. However I wanted to track the bug a little
 more.
 
 The problem is not with Netscape; through plain vanilla FTP utility I
 get the same situation. But now comes the nice part: If I login to the
 machine and restart Zope then, *without* leaving the shell prompt, the FTP
 access works fine. I get the access and success login notices in the
 screen. If I logout and I try to login with ftp again, Zope RIPs ;^/
 
 Cheers!
 
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[Zope-dev] The field converters (:int, :text, etc.)

2001-02-04 Thread Morten W. Petersen

Hi guys,

IIRC, there was some talk about modularizing the field
converters (checkers) so that they could be easiliy modified
and added to.  Is there currently any efforts to solving
this problem?  If not, there's definently a need for it,
IMO..

Thank you for your time.

-Morten



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Re: [Zope-dev] Q: Specialists, Racks, and ZCatalogs?

2001-02-04 Thread Steve Alexander

Michael Bernstein wrote:


 Thanks, Steve. That was very helpful. To summarize your
 explanation, if I understood correctly:
 
 This is strictly an implementation issue. 

You could say that. I would agree some of the time :-)

 If the SkinScript
 has functionality that should be shared by more than one
 Rack, it should go in the Specialist, 

Not quite. If the SkinScript has functionality that is shared by
all the Specialist's Racks, then it should go in the Specialist.

Another way of looking at this is that application logic lives
in the Specialist, and storage logic lives in the Rack. 

 otherwise keep it with
 the Rack that it's specific to. Or, looked at another way,
 common functionality should be factored out and acquired.

Although you can do that, it is not always the best thing to do.
Sometimes, a bit of redundancy helps ease a system through the 
pains of evolution :-)

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RE: [Zope-dev] Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Randall F. Kern

Are you starting zope with ./start, or otherwise including -D when z2.py
is executed?

That will cause Zope to try to write to the terminal when an FTP
connection is made.  Since the terminal is gone, Zope dies.

-Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: Pablo Bleyer Kocik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 7:41 AM
 To: zope-dev
 Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP
 
 
 
 
 Chris Withers wrote:
 
  Pablo Bleyer Kocik wrote:
  
   I am running Zope 2.3.0 under Linux in a remote 
 machine. When I
   try to access Medusa through FTP (port 8021) using 
 Netscape 4.5 under
   Windows, Zope dies silently. Is this a known issue? How 
 can I trace
   what is happening to Zope's FTP server causing it to die?
 
  Stick it in the collector:
 
  classic.zope.org:8080/Collector
 
  (it's down at the moment :-( )
 
  cheers,
 
  Chris
 
 Yep, I was going to do that. However I wanted to track the bug a
 little
 more.
 
 The problem is not with Netscape; through plain vanilla FTP
 utility I
 get the same situation. But now comes the nice part: If I login to the
 machine and restart Zope then, *without* leaving the shell prompt, the
 FTP
 access works fine. I get the access and success login notices in the
 screen. If I logout and I try to login with ftp again, Zope RIPs ;^/
 
 Cheers!
 
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 pbleyer|"Rintrah roars  shakes his fires in the burdend
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Re: [Zope-dev] Q: Specialists, Racks, and ZCatalogs?

2001-02-04 Thread Michael Bernstein

Steve Alexander wrote:
 
 Michael Bernstein wrote:
 
  If the SkinScript
  has functionality that should be shared by more than one
  Rack, it should go in the Specialist,
 
 Not quite. If the SkinScript has functionality that is shared by
 all the Specialist's Racks, then it should go in the Specialist.

If the functionality is shared among *most* of the Racks,
can't you override the SkinScript in the exceptions?

 Although you can do that, it is not always the best thing to do.
 Sometimes, a bit of redundancy helps ease a system through the 
 pains of evolution :-)

On that subject, does anyone know why SkinScripts don't
support cut-n-paste or copy-n-paste?

Thanks,

Michael Bernstein.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Q: Specialists, Racks, and ZCatalogs?

2001-02-04 Thread Phillip J. Eby

At 08:38 AM 2/4/01 -0800, Michael Bernstein wrote:

On that subject, does anyone know why SkinScripts don't
support cut-n-paste or copy-n-paste?


'cause I never thought of implementing it, probably because I've never yet
needed to move a SkinScript.  Patches cheerfully accepted.  :)


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Re: [Zope-dev] Q: Specialists, Racks, and ZCatalogs?

2001-02-04 Thread Steve Alexander

Phillip J. Eby wrote:

 At 08:38 AM 2/4/01 -0800, Michael Bernstein wrote:
 
 On that subject, does anyone know why SkinScripts don't
 support cut-n-paste or copy-n-paste? 
 
 'cause I never thought of implementing it, probably because I've never yet
 needed to move a SkinScript.  Patches cheerfully accepted.  :)

I've just patched ZPatterns so that SkinScript methods have a History 
tab. I guess I could work on cut and paste too :-)

I'll send a patch when I'm done and tested.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Q: Specialists, Racks, and ZCatalogs?

2001-02-04 Thread Steve Alexander

Phillip J. Eby wrote:

 At 08:38 AM 2/4/01 -0800, Michael Bernstein wrote:
 
 On that subject, does anyone know why SkinScripts don't
 support cut-n-paste or copy-n-paste?
  
 'cause I never thought of implementing it, probably because I've never yet
 needed to move a SkinScript.  Patches cheerfully accepted.  :)

It turns out that copying and cutting is broken for PlugInContainers in
Zope 2.3. This is because of the changes in HTMLFile. HTMLFile needs to be
changed to DTMLFile in various places, with the appropriate imports.

SkinScript methods always could be cut/copied/pasted in Zope 2.2. They
just can't with 2.3 because of these changes.

I'll post a patch shortly.

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[Zope-dev] Re: FTP PUT'ing images doesn't create Image objects?

2001-02-04 Thread Casey Duncan

--- Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This would be nice for images too. Just today I
 was
  uploading a bunch via FTP and though the same
 thing,
  wouldn't it be nice if it knew these were made
 into
  image objs?
 
 I thought images would be created here? I'd stick
 this one in the
 collector...
 
 cheers,
 
 Chris
 

I could be wrong about this (it was just about
quittin' time when I uploaded 'em), but I coulda sworn
it make file objects.

I will double-check tomorrow.


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[Zope-dev] Re: Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Jon Franz

I think this may be a problem with passive/active FTP sessions and
(possibly) proxies settign between you and the Zope instance.  I've had the
same problem with other FTP clients when I try to FTP into a Zope server: at
one client's office they do NAT, which acts as a proxy - around 60% of the
time my FTP session will lock up on a PUT, and the WHOLE zope instance dies.
I had written it off as somethign to do with the clien'ts network - but if
its happening to others out there too, then maybe its time we launched an
investigation into this?  The problem I noticed when I looked at it
previously is that no error was ever logged, even with the debug option
turned on - the zope instance just died mysteriously.   
Anyone know of a way off-hand to force zope to do a stack traceback to the
error log when an FTP error (or some other unknown error) takes it down?
Once we track down the problem we could at the least prevent it from killing
anything but it's own thread, if not fix it completely...

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Pablo Bleyer Kocik



"Randall F. Kern" wrote:

 Are you starting zope with ./start, or otherwise including -D when z2.py
 is executed?

 That will cause Zope to try to write to the terminal when an FTP
 connection is made.  Since the terminal is gone, Zope dies.

 -Randy

The problem started occurring without debugging turned on, and it didn't
happen always. Then I turned debugging on to trace the bug, and it was
worst: there were no logs and the server always dies if I exit the console.
I am pretty cueless to what is going on...

Cheers!

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Pablo Bleyer Kocik

Jon Franz wrote:

 I think this may be a problem with passive/active FTP sessions and
 (possibly) proxies settign between you and the Zope instance.  I've had the
 same problem with other FTP clients when I try to FTP into a Zope server: at
 one client's office they do NAT, which acts as a proxy - around 60% of the
 time my FTP session will lock up on a PUT, and the WHOLE zope instance dies.

I am accessing the FTP directly, don't know if there is something that would
act like a proxy. I am going to check for that...

 I had written it off as somethign to do with the clien'ts network - but if
 its happening to others out there too, then maybe its time we launched an
 investigation into this?  The problem I noticed when I looked at it
 previously is that no error was ever logged, even with the debug option
 turned on - the zope instance just died mysteriously.

In my case, when the debug option is turned on it is worst because then it
always dies. I don't know if the same would happen with stdio/stderr redirected
to something like /dev/null or a file...

Cheers!

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Stephan Richter

At 12:21 AM 2/5/01 -0400, Pablo Bleyer Kocik wrote:


"Randall F. Kern" wrote:

  Are you starting zope with ./start, or otherwise including -D when z2.py
  is executed?
 
  That will cause Zope to try to write to the terminal when an FTP
  connection is made.  Since the terminal is gone, Zope dies.
 
  -Randy

 The problem started occurring without debugging turned on, and it didn't
happen always. Then I turned debugging on to trace the bug, and it was
worst: there were no logs and the server always dies if I exit the console.
I am pretty cueless to what is going on...

Well, yes, the server will die when you close the console if you did not 
start it with nohup or some other program that "unbinds" Zope from the 
Shell as a child. Just start Zope with: nohup ./start 
All messages will be forwarded to nohup.out in your current directory at 
execution time. You can stop the server with ./stop

Regards,
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Pablo Bleyer Kocik

Stephan Richter wrote:

  The problem started occurring without debugging turned on, and it didn't
 happen always. Then I turned debugging on to trace the bug, and it was
 worst: there were no logs and the server always dies if I exit the console.
 I am pretty cueless to what is going on...

 Well, yes, the server will die when you close the console if you did not
 start it with nohup or some other program that "unbinds" Zope from the
 Shell as a child. Just start Zope with: nohup ./start 
 All messages will be forwarded to nohup.out in your current directory at
 execution time. You can stop the server with ./stop

 Regards,
 Stephan

Hey, I am not _that_ silly ;^). I can exit the shell but I leave Zope working
in the background, of course. Then all works fine until I do an FTP, which hangs
because the server dies.

Cheers!

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope server dies with Netscape's FTP

2001-02-04 Thread Stephan Richter


 Hey, I am not _that_ silly ;^). I can exit the shell but I leave Zope 
 working
in the background, of course. Then all works fine until I do an FTP, which 
hangs
because the server dies.

Sorry, I did not mean to offend you I have not used the FTP for a long 
time, but I also noticed that I cannot get to any directories deeper than 
the root one from Emacs anymore. But that could be caused by my own User 
Folder, since it is not updated with the new security implementation. 
Mmmhh, you use the regular User Folder right?

Regards,
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[Zope-dev] Problem: manage_workspace redirects to index_html

2001-02-04 Thread Dylan Jay

I goto http://localhost/manage and login.
I get the management tree on the left but right hand
pain is viewing index_html rather than manage_main.
With a bit of testing and looking at code I see that
manage_workspace method is being called as an
anonymous user which is why it redirects to the
index_html. All other methods seem to have the manager
user (the tree shows the right user). I can try
manage_main directly on things and it works fine. I
can view and change the security settings using
manage_access and they look fine. 

Something really weird is going on and its bugging the
hell out of me. 

I'm using IE 5.01 on w2k. 

Anyone got any ideas?

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[Zope-dev] I think zope@zope.org is down

2001-02-04 Thread Dylan Jay

what's more, mesages to it are not bouncing.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Problem: manage_workspace redirects to index_html

2001-02-04 Thread Evan Simpson

From: "Dylan Jay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I'm using IE 5.01 on w2k.

The current 5.01 version of IE doesn't do basic authentication correctly
(or, at least, the way nearly every other version, and browser, does it).
Try getting 5.5sp1 instead.

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