Re: [Zope-dev] The structure of lib/python/*
[Dieter Maurer] | Erik Enge writes: | > I've been reading a lot of Zope code the last couple of years, but | > still I really don't see any overall structure of lib/python. Is this | > documented somewhere? | | I find the names quite self explanatory. Yes, the names are fine in most cases. It was the structure of what is where under lib/python I couldn't find any real, well, structure on. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Using Zope for Groupware/Messaging applications
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Doug Hellmann wrote: > I've yet to see any documentation which sufficiently explains what > ZPatterns is and how to use it for me to consider it in any of my > projects. I've read the wiki pages and I just don't get it. > > Where should I be starting for enlightenment? Well, if you've read the Wiki, there really isn't anything else to read other than the Coad book for general object design background. I "figured out" zpatterns by starting to build a store using EMarket 0.2.0, which is ZPatterns based. It didn't take very long before I started to really appreciate the power of the ZPatterns approach. Fundamentally think of it as doing the object design of your system without worrying about where the data is going to get stored. If you want a nuts and bolts capsule description, think of it as providing you the ability to easily make just about anything about your objects computed. That is, when any part of your application goes to access one of your objects, there is code that can get triggered to do all sorts of Cool Stuff in order to build the object from arbitrary data sources. This means you can do things like have (my example) a Paradox database of books, authors, and a books-to-authors map, and have Author and Book objects in the system such that a Book has a list of its Author objects and the Author has a list of its Book objects, all in about 20 lines of ZSQL and skinscript. Plus I have a 'long description' field that comes from another database table, and thumbnail and full sized images that are stored in Image objects in the ZODB. All this stuff is seemlessly assembled into Author and Book objects by, like I said, about 20 lines of the skinscript and zsql. The rest of the app has no idea how those objects come to be or where the data comes from (or goes to). You really have to try it to understand, though, I think. It's not as hard as the discusions on the mailing list may make it seem. The learning curve is somewhat steep, but also rather short, at least for the wow-this-is-powerful stuff (I'm still learning the subtleties). --RDM ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Extending propertysheets
Hi, I have a strong desire to be able to extend propertysheets with more types possibly adding checking for them. For instance be able to specify URLs, email addresses, ISBN-number etc. Is this good idea at all? What would be the risks? Cheers, Johan Carlsson ¢zùYb²Öh¥àÞ¿:)zàÛiÿùb²Û3¢¨®æj)fjåËbú?Î^uëÍ¡Êè²Êh²Û(¬tÌ-éܡا¥j×+-²m§ÿåËlÎ^¢¸?¨¥©ÿ+-wèÿ:)y©ç¢éÜzm§ÿåËlÎ^¢¸?¨¥©ÿ+-wèÿ:)
Re: [Zope-dev] Using Zope for Groupware/Messaging applications
"R. David Murray" wrote: > > Let me be a bit less cryptic. Design your system, and use ZPatterns, and you > can defer questions about which storage suits the parts of the app until > later, and can change your mind at need. For the kind of project you > are embarking upon, the time needed to learn ZPatterns is well worth it. I've yet to see any documentation which sufficiently explains what ZPatterns is and how to use it for me to consider it in any of my projects. I've read the wiki pages and I just don't get it. Where should I be starting for enlightenment? Doug ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] The structure of lib/python/*
Dieter Maurer wrote: > > Erik Enge writes: > > I've been reading a lot of Zope code the last couple of years, but > > still I really don't see any overall structure of lib/python. Is this > > documented somewhere? > I find the names quite self explanatory. > > Yes, I am a person that believes in self explanatory names > and minimal documentation. > If the structure were documented, you probably would not find > it and few people would read it when they accidentally came > along it. Nevertheless I think there are some modules and packages that are not self-explanatory. Just for fun I came up with a categorization scheme for the different major Zope components. People have talked about "componentizing" Zope before, but the list below leads me to believe that Zope already is componentized. The majority of the modules and packages can be pulled right out and put in other projects. Only the packages in the "Zope-specific" category can't be pulled out. Shane Zope-specific AccessControl App Globals HelpSys OFS ZClasses ZLogger / zLOG Zope zdaemon Products.OFSP Products.SiteAccess Products.StandardCacheManagers Products.ZopeTutorial ZDom Utilities DateTime LOG MultiMapping unittest Python language enhancements ExtensionClass MethodObject ComputedAttribute Acquisition Interface cPickle, cStringIO, crc32, zlib, ts_regex ZODB-related Persistence BTree, IIBTree, IOBTree, OIBTree, intSet ZODB ZEO Templates DocumentTemplate PresentationTemplates StructuredText TreeDisplay Products.MIMETools Scripts Shared.DC.Scripts Products.PythonScripts Products.ExternalMethod Publisher Medusa ZPublisher ZServer Connectivity webdav xmlrpclib Shared.DC.xml Products.MailHost Catalog SearchIndex Products.ZCatalog Database adapters Shared.DC.Record Shared.DC.ZRDB Products.ZGadflyDA ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] The structure of lib/python/*
Erik Enge writes: > I've been reading a lot of Zope code the last couple of years, but > still I really don't see any overall structure of lib/python. Is this > documented somewhere? I find the names quite self explanatory. Yes, I am a person that believes in self explanatory names and minimal documentation. If the structure were documented, you probably would not find it and few people would read it when they accidentally came along it. Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] More Zope 2.3.1b1 stuff.
[Erik Enge] | [Erik Enge] | | | This might be picking on very little things | | And so is this Yeah, this also - but I promise, this is the last one. For today anyways. Either my eyes aren't quite awake yet, or this line appears two times in the «Credits»-section of /manage_copyright: """ Phillip Eby contributed the DTML let tag and many other useful ideas, including the inspiration for the DTML call, with and return tags. """ Phillip has come up with way cool things, but two lines? ;) Then again, it might be a kinda funny thing which totally escapes me and my humor. :) It's there in Zope 2.2.1 also. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] More Zope 2.3.1b1 stuff.
[Erik Enge] | This might be picking on very little things And so is this: why isn't there a grey line above the Users in the acl_users? ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] More Zope 2.3.1b1 stuff.
This might be picking on very little things, but hey, someone has to do that too. :-) When adding a Version, the «Help»-button is there. Not a «Help»-link which seems to be the standard these days. Same goes for Mail Host, External Method, Z SQL Method and ZCatalog. Accelerated HTTP Cache Manager is missing its «Help»-link. So is the RAM Cache Manager, Script (Python), Set Access Rule, Site Root, Virtual Host Monster, Vocabulary, Z Gadfly Database Connection and Zope Tutorial. Oh, nearly forgot these: lib/python/ZPublisher/BeforeTraverse.py is missing the ZPL. lib/python/ZODB/DemoStorage.py, line 103: """ a transaction is simply a 4-tuple: packed, user, description, extension_data, records """ That seems like a 5-tuple to me, or my Python terminology is fubar. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.3.1b1 glitch?
[Erik Enge] [about undo tabs] Hm. Just discovered this. Both /Control_Panel/manage_undoForm and /Control_Panel/manage_UndoForm work fine. manage_undoForm redirects to manage_UndoForm after you've pressed the «Undo»-button though. Maybe that's where the confusion is? ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope 2.3.1b1 glitch?
Hia. When entering the ZMI and clicking on «Control_Panel», «Database management» and then «Cache parameters» I get two new tabs: «Contents» and «Undo». It's probably just me, but I don't quite understand these two. Couldn't we display the «Undo» tab along with «Database», «Cache parameters» and «Flush Cache»? The «Undo» tab (both in «Cache parameters» and «Flush Cache» points to /Control_Panel/Database/manage_UndoForm. When I enter manage_UndoForm I've so far never gotten any Undoable transactions up, and it brings me back to having the «Database», «Cache Parameters» and «Flush Cache» tabs. Kinda weird? If I go to /Control_Panel/Database/manage_undoForm (lowercase «u»), then I get a number of Undoable transactions. What's the difference between /Control_Panel/Database/manage_undoForm and /Control_Panel/Database/manage_UndoForm ? (Apart from the obvious spelling ;) Another thing. When I hit «Undo» in manage_undoForm I'm taken to the manage_UndoForm which displayes: «There are no transactions that can be undone.» Although, I know there are, because manage_undoForm says so. :-) The transaction(s) I marked as wanting to Undo are undone. So that works. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Import Libraries into Python Script
Brian Lloyd wrote:
> > What's wrong with:
>>
>> import imaplib
>> imaplib.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
>
>Nothing is wrong with it per se - but using the SecurityInfo
>interfaces (even indirectly through the helper stuff I checked
>in to PythonScripts for 2.3.1) is more future-proof, in case
>the actual mechanics of protection change one day.
Thanks for explaining. I read the release notes for 2.3.1 just hours
after sending my question. Doing this with the new helper functions
sounds like a good way.
> > And, if the above is somehow bad or insecure, how would you use your
>> method to allow access to specific methods in a module, as in:
>>
>> import re
>> re.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = {
>> 'sub': 1,
>> }
>
>You can see a minimal example in the standard.py module in
>the PythonScripts package (though there is no helper shortcut
>for that method yet - there probably should be).
A helper shortcut would be nice :)
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