Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code become realistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-06-01 Thread E. Seifert

Hi Joachim,

Joachim Werner wrote on Friday, June 01, 2001 12:54 AM:
 If we can reload Python code at runtime, and we can also edit, generate
and
 store files (containing code)  via the web (as LocalFS or extFile prove),
 then it should be perfectly possible to have something like ZClasses (it
 terms of the over-the-web front-end) that spits out and dynamically loads
 REAL Python classes instead of the rather experimental simulation of
classes
 we get with ZClasses, right?

Your suggestion sounds like something stated in the Zope Directions Document
at http://dev.zope.org/Resources/ZopeDirections.html:
The major goal will be to simplify how components (now called products)
are built and used. For example, currently some products are built in the
filesystem and some are built in the object database. We want to remove
this distinction so that all components can be edited via the filesystem
and
live in the object database.

Joachim Werner wrote on Friday, June 01, 2001 12:54 AM:
 What do you think about this idea? If it finds some friends, I'll set up a
 formal proposal for something like ZClass-like features to build REAL
Zope
 Python classes over the web.

Well I think many people would be interested to reduce the differences
between ZClasses and python products.
At least I would be interested.

Regards
Eric



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RE: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Albert Langer

[Brian]
  Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 has been released - you can download it from
  Zope.org:

http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/

[...]

  Note that this is an alpha release, so it is available as a source
  distribution only. We will make binary releases available with the
  first beta release.

[Albert]
Congratulations!!!

Two questions:

1. Any guesstimate (vague upper and lower bounds) on first beta release
for the binaries, (or even just a vague lower bound - probably not
before ...)?

2. In the Migration Guide:

A note to component developers - as of Zope 2.4 ExtensionClass has not been
updated to support all of the new magic protocols that Python classes
support (we're hoping that EC will go away soon).

What does hoping that EC will go away soon mean? I thought that
ExtensionClass was pretty
fundamental to Zope?? Does this just mean that the limitation on magic
protocols will go away soon, or is there some URL I should look at re
replacement for EC?

Thanks, and congratulations again.



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Re: [Zope-dev] Browser Timeout

2001-06-01 Thread Andre Schubert

R. David Murray schrieb:

 On Thu, 31 May 2001, Andre Schubert wrote:
  I tested with lynx. If i type http://somewhere.com/foo/test i got no
  response because timeout, this means, that RESPONSE.setStatus and the first
  RESPONSE.write are sent back to the client if the body processing is done,
  but i would send every command as it is processed back to the client.
  Or is it my Zope( 2.2.4 ) on Immunix 6.2 RedHat.

 I presume you tested it first without the large processing to make
 sure the method was otherwise working.

Yes, i've tested it without large processing and it works fine.

as



 I haven't used RESPONSE.write myself.  I know that others on this
 list have, so hopefully someone will chime in with a working example
 or a debuggin suggestion.  Of course, it's always possible that
 streaming got broken at some point; I'm not sure that it gets used
 by very many people so breakage may take a while to get noticed...

 --RDM


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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Lalo Martins

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 07:33:43AM +1000, Albert Langer wrote:
 
 A note to component developers - as of Zope 2.4 ExtensionClass has not been
 updated to support all of the new magic protocols that Python classes
 support (we're hoping that EC will go away soon).
 
 What does hoping that EC will go away soon mean? I thought that
 ExtensionClass was pretty
 fundamental to Zope?? Does this just mean that the limitation on magic
 protocols will go away soon, or is there some URL I should look at re
 replacement for EC?

EC are a fix for a problem that shouldn't exist in Python
(inability to inherit from classes defined in C/C++).

By hoping that EC will go away soon, I assume they mean the
PythonLabs folks are working on fixing this for once in Python
itself. Right?

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Holger Lehmann

Hi Brian, hi all,

great to hear this.

Now comes a tricky question:

Suppose we are running a Linux Kernel 2.4.x and using the latest Python 2.x 
distribution. And supposing we can recompile all code if neccessary:

How large can a Data.fs grow until it breaks ?
We need to be able to store about 7.5 GBytes (note: Gigabytes) in the ZODB. I 
would rather use the ZODB than a LocalFS 

Thanks in advance 
- Holger


Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2001 22:55 schrieb Brian Lloyd:
 Hello all,

   Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 has been released - you can download it from
   Zope.org:

 http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/


   Highlights of what is new in Zope 2.4:

 - Zope 2.4 supports (and requires) Python 2.1

 - New restricted execution architecture

 - WebDAV Level 2 locking support

 - New WebDAV Access permission

 - A new built-in 'Authenticated' role

 - Product refresh without restart during development

 - New Drop-in indexes support for ZCatalog


   Be sure to see the Zope 2.4 Migration Guide:

http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0/Zope24MigrationGuide.html

   which outlines the new features and provides other important
   information for users of Zope 2.4.

   For more information on what is new in this release, see the
   CHANGES.txt and HISTORY.txt files for the release:

 http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/CHANGES.txt

 http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/HISTORY.txt

   For more information on the available Zope releases, guidance for
   selecting the right distribution and installation instructions,
   please see:

   http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/InstallingZope.html

   Note that this is an alpha release, so it is available as a source
   distribution only. We will make binary releases available with the
   first beta release.


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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Erik Enge

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Brian Lloyd wrote:

 Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 has been released - you can download it from
 Zope.org:

Cool stuff.

I have a couple of comments, though.  For future ref., should I post them
to the Collector?

- lib/python/Products/PluginIndexes/__init__.py is missing the ZPL

- why is Catalog.gif in Products/ZCatalog and not in
  Products/ZCatalog/www like ZCatalog.gif?

- the version.txt in lib/python/ says:
  Zope 2.4.0a1 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
  which sounds a bit funny in my ears...  Might be me, I dunno.

The biggest one is the fact that I can't build it, but I think that's a
problem with my Python installation.

Once I've got it up and running I might do some actual testing, which I'm
looking forward to! :)


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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Matt Hamilton

 - the version.txt in lib/python/ says:
   Zope 2.4.0a1 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
   which sounds a bit funny in my ears...  Might be me, I dunno.

Actually I have wondered something about that... Why does it always show
up as linux2 even when not on linux?  I'm on FreeBSD using a compiled from
source python and Zope and it still shows up as Linux.

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Re: [Zope-dev] dtml-in batching improved

2001-06-01 Thread Ivo van der Wijk

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 05:36:21PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
  I've done it myself as well using (as described in the posting) two
  dtml-in's (the second one purely for displaying the prev/next links).
 
  Is your solution any different? (The only one I can think of is storing
  the info in your REQUEST object and using it later, but that's really
  ugly.)
 
 Nope, my solution used only one dtml-in and maybe a dtml-let, no REQUEST
 munging :-)
 

Ok, show me :)

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Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-06-01 Thread R. David Murray

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, E. Seifert wrote:
 at http://dev.zope.org/Resources/ZopeDirections.html:
 The major goal will be to simplify how components (now called products)
 are built and used. For example, currently some products are built in the
 filesystem and some are built in the object database. We want to remove
 this distinction so that all components can be edited via the filesystem
 and
 live in the object database.

This does worry me.  I think I understand at least one motivation (ZEO),
but...

Well, as long as it doesn't compromise my ability to write Zope python code
using filesystem tools, it should be OK.  It just makes me nervous grin.

--RDM


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RE: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread sean . upton

My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs limit),
to  2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
tried anything like that myself...  

Does anyone have any comments on the reliability of PartitionedFileStorage
in this regard as a temporary solution?  Is anyone using
PartitionedFileStorage in a production environment?

Sean

-Original Message-
From: Holger Lehmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:33 AM
To: Brian Lloyd; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released


Hi Brian, hi all,

great to hear this.

Now comes a tricky question:

Suppose we are running a Linux Kernel 2.4.x and using the latest Python 2.x 
distribution. And supposing we can recompile all code if neccessary:

How large can a Data.fs grow until it breaks ?
We need to be able to store about 7.5 GBytes (note: Gigabytes) in the ZODB.
I 
would rather use the ZODB than a LocalFS 

Thanks in advance 
- Holger


Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2001 22:55 schrieb Brian Lloyd:
 Hello all,

   Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 has been released - you can download it from
   Zope.org:

 http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/


   Highlights of what is new in Zope 2.4:

 - Zope 2.4 supports (and requires) Python 2.1

 - New restricted execution architecture

 - WebDAV Level 2 locking support

 - New WebDAV Access permission

 - A new built-in 'Authenticated' role

 - Product refresh without restart during development

 - New Drop-in indexes support for ZCatalog


   Be sure to see the Zope 2.4 Migration Guide:

http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0/Zope24MigrationGuide.html

   which outlines the new features and provides other important
   information for users of Zope 2.4.

   For more information on what is new in this release, see the
   CHANGES.txt and HISTORY.txt files for the release:

 http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/CHANGES.txt

 http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/HISTORY.txt

   For more information on the available Zope releases, guidance for
   selecting the right distribution and installation instructions,
   please see:

   http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/InstallingZope.html

   Note that this is an alpha release, so it is available as a source
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RE: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread R. David Murray

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
 somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
 somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs limit),
 to  2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
 not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
 tried anything like that myself...  

FileStorage does *not* have a 2GB limit.  The only 2GB limit is the old
Linux filesystem limit.  I know this, because I've had 2GB Data.fs
files on FreeBSD.

--RDM


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RE: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread sean . upton

Perhaps I was looking at old docs, as the docs had indicated that
filestorage uses 32-bit position pointers; I'm guessing that this has since
changed...

Sean

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Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released


On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
 somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
 somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs
limit),
 to  2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new -
well,
 not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
 tried anything like that myself...  

FileStorage does *not* have a 2GB limit.  The only 2GB limit is the old
Linux filesystem limit.  I know this, because I've had 2GB Data.fs
files on FreeBSD.

--RDM

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Everitt


As one more example, Zope.org is currently at 4.8 Gb on FileStorage.

--Paul

R. David Murray wrote:
 
 On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
  somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
  somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs limit),
  to  2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
  not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
  tried anything like that myself...
 
 FileStorage does *not* have a 2GB limit.  The only 2GB limit is the old
 Linux filesystem limit.  I know this, because I've had 2GB Data.fs
 files on FreeBSD.
 
 --RDM
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Everitt



Lalo Martins wrote:
 By hoping that EC will go away soon, I assume they mean the
 PythonLabs folks are working on fixing this for once in Python
 itself. Right?

That is correct.  The point is, ExtensionClass machinery will go away
but the functionality would remain, if Python changes in the future to
make it unnecessary.

--Paul

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Shane Hathaway

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy
 somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this
 somewhere), which limits it (in addition to the Linux kernel ext2 fs limit),
 to  2GB.  With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
 not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages, though I haven't
 tried anything like that myself...

Berkeley is a good recommendation.

 Does anyone have any comments on the reliability of PartitionedFileStorage
 in this regard as a temporary solution?  Is anyone using
 PartitionedFileStorage in a production environment?

AFAIK no.  Its functionality has already been superceded.

Shane

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread marc lindahl


 Does anyone have any comments on the reliability of PartitionedFileStorage
 in this regard as a temporary solution?  Is anyone using
 PartitionedFileStorage in a production environment?
 
 AFAIK no.  Its functionality has already been superceded.

by?



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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Shane Hathaway

marc lindahl wrote:
 
  Does anyone have any comments on the reliability of PartitionedFileStorage
  in this regard as a temporary solution?  Is anyone using
  PartitionedFileStorage in a production environment?
 
  AFAIK no.  Its functionality has already been superceded.
 
 by?

BerkeleyDB3Storage.

Shane

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Chris McDonough

 
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 With 7.5 GB, I'd use a more advanced storage like the new - well,
 not quite released ;) - Berkeley (libdb3 based) storages...

snip

Just so there's no misunderstanding... BerkeleyStorage is in beta...
it's at http://www.zope.org/Products/bsddb3Storage

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Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Chris McDonough

Shane Hathaway wrote:
  by?
 
 BerkeleyDB3Storage.

Actually, it hasn't.  bsddb is no better at big files than FileStorage.

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Re: [Zope-dev] SOAP again (or, xml-rpc client for MSIE)

2001-06-01 Thread Hannu Krosing

Phil Harris wrote:
 
 Brad,
 
 There are a few COM/COM+ components around that do xml-rpc.
 
 I use them with MS Word to write Word files directly to Zope for instance.
 
 Some are better than others, but ymmv so I'll hesitate to recommend one.
 
 At least one of them is listed on xmlrpc.com.
 
 Having them you could script them via jscript, and basically open up the
 connection easily.

Could you provide a small example ?

I'll probably be needing this functionality quite soon ;)

Does any of them support https ?


Hannu

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