Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-22 Thread Chris McDonough
Now is there a technical reason why I can't have a ZClass inside any folder? No. There is not code to allow this to happen in Zope, however. I think at I know there is no code to do this. I'm asking how much code would be needed. Is it a major re-architecture? Is it something I

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Erik Enge
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Shane Hathaway wrote: Now, if the ZPL were GPL compatible, the GPL would be in full effect for products. Digital Creations would automatically have the rights to redistribute derivatives of ZWiki. I believe DC would even be able to distribute ZWiki with Zope as long as

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Morten W. Petersen
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Erik Enge wrote: Now I think I have two different answers to one of my fundamental questions in this discussion: if I have a GPL-compatible licensed product and I distribute it with a GPL product, do I need to relicense the former one to GPL? Because that is what I

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.4: Unicode, Berkeley Storage?

2001-06-22 Thread Chris Withers
Randall F. Kern wrote: 2. Will the BDB storage be standard with 2.4? Transactional Undo sounds _very_ nice. IIRC, Transactional Undo has now been implemented in FileStorage too cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Erik Enge
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Morten W. Petersen wrote: Yes, you can distribute a GPL-compatible licensed code with GPL licensed code without licencing the former under GPL. Take a look in the Linux-kernel source tree for example. Ok, good. Then Thingamy's intermediate solution will be to create a

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Morten W. Petersen
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Erik Enge wrote: Ok, good. Then Thingamy's intermediate solution will be to create a TPL which is basically the ZPL with the incompatible-clauses ripped out (number 4 and 7, I think). That way we are compatible with both the ZPL and the GPL. Something like that.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-22 Thread Eric Roby
Shane, I'm glad to know the product is being used. I don't think it will be in the core distribution since it causes a performance hit. Shane I use Transparent Folders HEAVILY in my site designs. There are some Gotchas' that I have learned to deal with regards to acquisition, but I find

Re: [Zope-dev] Fishbowl not problem centered enough

2001-06-22 Thread Chris Withers
I just see lots of solutions many of which attack some of the same problems and no clear way to get those people comunicating and making informed trade-offs I think this is a really good point. However, I think the fishbowl should remain the center for solutions. The collector is the center

RE: [Zope-dev] Fishbowl not problem centered enough

2001-06-22 Thread Brian Lloyd
I think it would be helpful to have a big picture, with goals and objectives, into which to fit the pieces - would that address the kinds of things you're talking about? big picture is good but its not what I mean. What I mean is a list like this... snip These are all good ideas.

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Friday 22 June 2001 04:24, Erik Enge wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Shane Hathaway wrote: Now, if the ZPL were GPL compatible, the GPL would be in full effect for products. Digital Creations would automatically have the rights to redistribute derivatives of ZWiki. I believe DC would even

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-22 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Friday 22 June 2001 06:55, Eric Roby wrote: I'm glad to know the product is being used. I don't think it will be in the core distribution since it causes a performance hit. I use Transparent Folders HEAVILY in my site designs. There are some Gotchas' that I have learned to deal with

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-22 Thread Eric Roby
Shane Hathaway wrote: If we're willing to start changing things at the C level, however, there are more options. Is this an effort that would ultimately move Transparent Folders into the Zope Core ??? Eric ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.4: Unicode, Berkeley Storage?

2001-06-22 Thread Sin Hang Kin
I think bsddb3 only accept string not unicode string. rgs, Kent Sin ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists -

[Zope-dev] Transparent folders, CookieCrumbler, ZDebug

2001-06-22 Thread Shane Hathaway
A new release of Transparent folders is ready. The only real difference is compatibility with Zope 2.3.3. http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/TransparentFolders CookieCrumbler has been re-released independently of CMF. Thanks to living in the CMF for a while, the security hole has been

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Simon Michael
Thanks for a most illuminating thread. Slight clarification to a comment of yours Shane - Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GPL code together. ZWiki is just in a strange position because the GPL is not actually in effect. I'm not sure I'd use those words - the license is certainly

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
On 22 Jun 2001 09:33:22 -0700, Simon Michael wrote: Thanks for a most illuminating thread. Slight clarification to a comment of yours Shane - Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GPL code together. ZWiki is just in a strange position because the GPL is not actually in effect. I'm

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-22 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Friday 22 June 2001 10:59, Chris Withers wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: If we're willing to start changing things at the C level, however, there are more options. Well, given how extremely useful skins seem as a concept (rather than just in their CMF context), along with Transparent

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Friday 22 June 2001 12:33, Simon Michael wrote: Thanks for a most illuminating thread. Slight clarification to a comment of yours Shane - Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GPL code together. ZWiki is just in a strange position because the GPL is not actually in effect. I'm

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Simon Michael
Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the consequences being that someone re-distributing zope zwiki together, under their default licenses, is technically in violation right now, I think we are all agreeing. Technically yes, although I like to think that the product developers

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-dev]ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Simon Michael
Simon Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'm guessing there was a shout of joy around the world - it made my day. I think many of us then said well thank god for some sanity PS, and in case that wasn't clear - I want to say a BIG THANK YOU to all who put so much hard work into solving

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Fred Wilson Horch
Dear Digital Creations, Thank you for providing Zope. Please consider releasing it under the GPL. As a non-profit organization that is recruiting and training volunteers to develop code for our web site that runs on Zope, the license uncertainty is wasting our time and may force us to abandon

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-dev]ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Simon Michael
Now you're talking. Seconded. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 01:16:04PM -0400, Shane Hathaway wrote: I think you're right. The reaction to the Python license becoming GPL compatible wasn't as enthusiastic as I expected, though. Are you talking about the reactions on Slashdot.org? The reactions there were exactly as to be

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Morten W. Petersen
On 22 Jun 2001, Simon Michael wrote: Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the consequences being that someone re-distributing zope zwiki together, under their default licenses, is technically in violation right now, I think we are all agreeing. Technically yes, although I

[Zope-dev] Re: ZPL and GPL licensing issues

2001-06-22 Thread Simon Michael
Morten W. Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:43:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Stallman snip If the latter, then in general, you can't take someone's GPL-covered code and combine it with Zope, because the Zope license is GPL-incompatible. If someone wrote a

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-22 Thread Dieter Maurer
Joachim Werner writes: Is there any good reason why a Product inside the ControlPanel is the only place a ZClass can exist? Why can't I have one in any folder? I think it is perfectly logical that ZClasses are located in the Products area. A folder is for instances of classes, and a

[Zope-dev] ExtensionClass

2001-06-22 Thread Mark McEahern
Summary: Hi, I'm a newbie Zope developer. I'm trying to use a fairly simple class from the Python interpreter (see below). It's not working (specific error message listed below). I've traced the problem to ExtensionClass. I'm not sure that I'm correct about that and I'm really looking for

Re: [Zope-dev] ExtensionClass

2001-06-22 Thread Chris McDonough
Hi Mark, Try to use the Python that ships with the Zope instance in ZopeWebSite/bin/python instead of the 2.1 version you're trying to use. There are link-level incompatibilities that you're seeing. - C Mark McEahern wrote: Summary: Hi, I'm a newbie Zope developer. I'm trying to use a

[Zope-dev] what to return for a manage_edit method

2001-06-22 Thread Sin Hang Kin
What should I return to for a method that create a new object or modify the object? If I return a redirection, will it too restricted for web only? If I return a simple ok, it seems very stupid. Rgs, Kent Sin - kentsin.weblogs.com kentsin.imeme.net

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-22 Thread Joachim Werner
I do not agree with you: a ZClass is both an instance (you can manage, modify, delete) and a class (you can use as blueprint for object creation). O.k., I CAN manage/modify/delete a ZClass, but it still is (conceptually) a class, and only a class. You can manage/modify/delete Zope

[Zope-dev] Re: apology

2001-06-22 Thread Simon Michael
Jan-Oliver Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not sure what you want to express with your statement. that I now see we were in agreement. Sorry for the confusion. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Zope-dev] making zwikiwebs.zexp import unnecessary

2001-06-22 Thread Simon Michael
I think I read someone had integrated the sample zwiki web(s) into the python product, removing the need for the import which causes great confusion. If you know anything about this, please get in touch. Thanks -Simon ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL

Re: [Zope-dev] making zwikiwebs.zexp import unnecessary

2001-06-22 Thread Chris McDonough
Hi Simon, Yes, the CMFWiki product does this... it's fairly simple code that I think could be lifted directly from the product. I think CMFWiki comes with the CVS checkout of the CMF now... - C Simon Michael wrote: I think I read someone had integrated the sample zwiki web(s) into the