Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm

2002-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Charles Y. Choi wrote: With ZMI, you can create different methods/objects and then edit them. The problem is that pretty much every other editor out there doesn't know a whit about the types of objects/methods they are creating. Does emacs really know the difference between a python method,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm

2002-04-09 Thread Charles Y. Choi
Chris Withers wrote: Charles Y. Choi wrote: With ZMI, you can create different methods/objects and then edit them. The problem is that pretty much every other editor out there doesn't know a whit about the types of objects/methods they are creating. Does emacs really know the difference between

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm

2002-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Charles Y. Choi wrote: Yes, and though your PUT_factory override is a great thing, it's an unsupported patch: that is, it's not part of the standard packaging of Zope. Urm, PUT_factory has been a standard part of Zope for some time now... The conventions you use (# for PythonScripts)

[Zope-dev] RE: [Zope-CMF] Fieldindex searches very slow when anonymous.

2002-04-09 Thread Arnar Lundesgaard
THANK YOU This worked extremely well, and the site is almost faster than the squid cache now. :-) http://www.forskning.no is a major ZOPE site (for us), that will be released tomorrow noon local time. This is the first site that uses our soon to be opensourced TopicMap engine that

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm

2002-04-09 Thread Nicola Larosa
ZClasses are a waste of time, even more so than DTML. Words of comfort. :^) Nice never having spent the time to learn 'em. I've not experienced any bugs in ZPT when used in a sane context. Same here, after several months' usage. -- Two witches watch two watches. Which witch watched which

[Zope-dev] ZClasses useful! [Was: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm]

2002-04-09 Thread Stefan H. Holek
At 09.04.2002 10:46 +0100, Chris Withers wrote: ZClasses are a waste of time, even more so than DTML. Chris, please stop that dissing of ZClasses. They are *very* useful indeed! No, not so much for the seasoned Python/Zope coder, but for the content manager (remember, Zope is a CMS after

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClasses useful! [Was: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm]

2002-04-09 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:56:38 +0200, Stefan H. Holek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ZClasses are a waste of time, even more so than DTML. Chris, please stop that dissing of ZClasses. They are *very* useful indeed! No, not so much for the seasoned Python/Zope coder Even for the seasoned Python/Zope

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-CMF] Fieldindex searches very slow when anonymous.

2002-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
Arnar Lundesgaard wrote: THANK YOU This worked extremely well, and the site is almost faster than the squid cache now. :-) http://www.forskning.no is a major ZOPE site (for us), that will be released tomorrow noon local time. This is the first site that uses our soon to be

[Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses useful! [Was: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm]

2002-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Stefan H. Holek wrote: At 09.04.2002 10:46 +0100, Chris Withers wrote: ZClasses are a waste of time, even more so than DTML. Chris, please stop that dissing of ZClasses. They are *very* useful indeed! If you enjoy pain and suffering and no upgrade path. I will not stop dissing them

[Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses useful! [Was: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm]

2002-04-09 Thread Martijn Jacobs
I will not stop dissing them until people stop using them and then complaining when they break, don't do what they want or behave unexpectedly. What's your efford on this task? If people like to use them, let them! It's not up to you to decide for THEM what's best or not. The choice for

[Zope-dev] RedstrictedCreation proposal

2002-04-09 Thread Toby Dickenson
Re: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/RestrictedCreation This proposal from Itamar has been up on dev.zope.org for a while, proposing a way for a registered type to control whether or not it can be added to a container, or a per-container basis. I now have an implementation of this

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses useful! [Was: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm]

2002-04-09 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Martijn Jacobs wrote: I will not stop dissing them until people stop using them and then complaining when they break, don't do what they want or behave unexpectedly. What's your efford on this task? If people like to use them, let them! It's not up to you to decide for

Re: [Zope-dev] RedstrictedCreation proposal

2002-04-09 Thread Casey Duncan
IMO, this comes at this at the wrong direction. Objects should not decide whether they can be added to a given folder, the folder should be the one that makes that decision. It gives me the heebie geebies to think that every time the add list is rendered, a whole slew of class methods are

RE: [Zope-dev] RedstrictedCreation proposal

2002-04-09 Thread Brian Lloyd
IMO, this comes at this at the wrong direction. Objects should not decide whether they can be added to a given folder, the folder should be the one that makes that decision. It gives me the heebie geebies to think that every time the add list is rendered, a whole slew of class methods

Re: [Zope-dev] RedstrictedCreation proposal

2002-04-09 Thread Itamar Shtull-Trauring
Toby Dickenson wrote: (Ive CCed everyone who has commented on the proposal; I hope thats OK) Could everyone stick to zope-dev only? One copy of each email is enough ;) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] RedstrictedCreation proposal

2002-04-09 Thread Casey Duncan
After reading the discussion page I feel a bit more comfortable with it. I do see an undesireable increase in the entropy of the ui, however. This could be offset by careful use of this feature, of course. In fact good use of it could reduce some of the clutter in the add list. For instance,

Re: [Zope-dev] RedstrictedCreation proposal

2002-04-09 Thread Chris Withers
Brian Lloyd wrote: I think (correct me though, if I'm wrong!) that Toby actually implemented the suggestion that Jim made on the comments page of the proposal (add a filter to the meta type info, allowing products to do this without killing performance). ...but hasn't this problem already

Re: [Zope-dev] RedstrictedCreation proposal

2002-04-09 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:57:04 -0400, Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, this comes at this at the wrong direction. Objects should not decide whether they can be added to a given folder, the folder should be the one that makes that decision. Zope can already do that. Check out how

[Zope-dev] [RFClet]: What about the request method and the client side trojan?

2002-04-09 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
The issue of client side trojan recently came to my mind again. Looking at http://www.zope.org//Members/jim/ZopeSecurity/ClientSideTrojan I found nothing new since Oct. 2001, so I thought I bring up the issue again, maybe it's something which could be taken care of for zope = 2.6. I wrote

RE: [Zope-dev] [RFClet]: What about the request method and the client side trojan?

2002-04-09 Thread Brian Lloyd
The issue of client side trojan recently came to my mind again. Looking at http://www.zope.org//Members/jim/ZopeSecurity/ClientSideTrojan I found nothing new since Oct. 2001, so I thought I bring up the issue again, maybe it's something which could be taken care of for zope = 2.6. I wrote

[Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-09 Thread Brian Lloyd
...I sent out a note a while ago now trying to scare up some ideas on how to vet the current list of 2.6 proposals and get to a final plan. I didn't get much (any?) response :( For a couple of things that were ready to go and fairly non controversial (like Toby's unicode work), I put on the

Re: [Zope-Coders] Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-09 Thread Myroslav Opyr
Brian Lloyd wrote: Both me and Myroslav Opyr [EMAIL PROTECTED] are quite commited to do the proposed Object Links/References. Although from the emails we exchanged with you, I would've guessed that it was one of the controversial enough to be a Vetted item :-) Anyways I'm commited to do

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses useful! [Was: ZMI / JavaScript brainstorm]

2002-04-09 Thread Andy McKay
What's your efford on this task? If people like to use them, let them! It's not up to you to decide for THEM what's best or not. The choice for YOURSELF not to use them is just as fair as other peoples choices. Sure but many people ask more experienced developers for advice. I agree saying