Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zLOG changes

2004-04-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On Dienstag, 20. April 2004 17:19 Uhr -0400 Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - when adding LOG = getLogger(...) LOG.info(...) to some modules then the output is only written to the event.log but no longer to stdout (if running in debug mode). Is this change

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.X Session problems

2004-04-21 Thread alex
Hi Chris, On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Chris McDonough wrote: I am using new Transience.py, and my temp_folder is on Sessions.fs ZODB now. I have one problem with it - it does not seems that this way it deletes old expired Sessions. The number of objects grow and grow, and today we reached

[Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Martin Kretschmar
Hello, Maik Jablonski of the german speaking Zope Users Group DZUG issued a pretty bleak outlook for the future of Zope. What are your oppinions? Here comes the translation of his oppoion: Maik, what makes you look full of scepticism for the future of Zope? Shortly said, the whole set of

[Zope-dev] When should one call Connection.sync?

2004-04-21 Thread Syver Enstad
I am using ZODB 3.2 in a twisted based web application. I have read that I need to call sync to keep the connection up to date. When exactly should I call sync? Are there any drawbacks with calling it immediately after getting a connection, like this: # for each http request. connection =

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] zLOG is dead

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Withers
Barry Warsaw wrote: AFAIK, the online logging package docs are about it. That's not the easiest way to learn how to use the package unfortunately. *sigh* What is the easiest way then? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: Even with unbreakable encryption of credentials after login, you still send the username and password in the clear at login time, and sniffers can reuse the session ID with ease. You really shouldn't tell the Plone users they will be safer with a session token, because they

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Withers
Martin Kretschmar wrote: Maik Jablonski of the german speaking Zope Users Group DZUG issued a pretty bleak outlook for the future of Zope. What are your oppinions? Maik's having a bad day, he'll get over it ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting -

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zLOG changes

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: - In debug mode, use an alternate or auxillary logging configuration to replace or augment the eventlog configuration section. This is more work up front, but keeps everything flexible. Maybe too much overkill...not sure if one needs an academic solution here... I'm

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Andreas Jung
Some remarks from my side as a Zope2 core developer on this issue: The Z2 community and development is currently at a bad point: - very few people are contributing to the Z2 in terms of new code and bug fixes (see the tons of open bugs in the collector) - very few people are willing to

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Andre Meyer
Well, Maik has more than a bad day. In fact, he is rather right about the points he raises! I have been developing for Zope for about half a year now and it took considerable effort to get anything going. I have experience with filesystem-based Zope 2 products, Plone and Archteypes and a bit

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Max M
Martin Kretschmar wrote: Shortly said, the whole set of stupidities in connection with Zope3. It is a pretty bad state for a project, if it looms for years as the followup project on the horizon but in reality isn't one! It looks like the classical strategic mistake:

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Eckart Hertzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 21 April 2004 11:53, Andre Meyer is believed to have said: Well, Maik has more than a bad day. In fact, he is rather right about the points he raises! I have been developing for Zope for about half a year now and it took considerable

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Peter Sabaini
is there an URL for the original? Martin Kretschmar wrote: Hello, Maik Jablonski of the german speaking Zope Users Group DZUG issued a pretty bleak outlook for the future of Zope. What are your oppinions? Here comes the translation of his oppoion: smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic

[Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 branch closed for bugfixes?

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Withers
Tres Seaver wrote: Chris, I would call the 2.6 branch closed except for serious security bugs; please don't check in new features or minor bugfixes there. How come? and was this announced anywhere? I don't see what harm applying minor bugfixes to any release branch could do... Chris --

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Matt
my nz$ 0.02 worth - is the future bleak? nothing seems to awry to me, this copy you pasted has no basis for argument - why even bother pasting it - for some upgrades of zope 2.* I need to rethink some rather understandable aspects of my zope products - each one appears to be a migration to

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Seb Bacon
Personally, I think Zope3 has a great future, and will pick up a much larger community than Zope2 ever did, because it's better designed and better documented. In general, the people who stand to gain immediately (or pretty soon) from Zope3 are enthusiasts; newcomers; and ZC. However, if the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Stephan Richter
Hi, the points I snipped I agree with and/or have no new input for. On Wednesday 21 April 2004 05:36, Andreas Jung wrote: The reasons for this situation from my prospective: - Lots of Z2 people are working now on Plone projects. Plone currently attracts more people because the

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martin, Maik, Andreas, and others, I see two issues being raised in this thread: 1. Maik disagrees with the design philosophy behind Zope3 (the Component Architecture) and the place Zope3 wants to position itself at in the future. As a Zope developer who has spent the last two years both

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Proposal: Rename zope package

2004-04-21 Thread Troy Farrell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tres Seaver wrote: | | Jim Fulton wrote: | ... | I've gotten enough negative feedback to z, that I've added an | alternative 4 | to the proposal: | | 4. Rename the Zope package to Zope2 and provide a legacy Zope | package | | -1, for reasons

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Max M
Stephan Richter wrote: Hi, As stated before, I think that can be changed, if enough interest is shown in the community. But I think the Zope community lacks strong leaders; too many people are only interested in making money with it without realizing that their future depends on the general

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.6 branch closed for bugfixes?

2004-04-21 Thread Tres Seaver
Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Chris, I would call the 2.6 branch closed except for serious security bugs; please don't check in new features or minor bugfixes there. How come? and was this announced anywhere? See the last topic in: http://dev.zope.org/CVS/ZopeDevelopmentProcess

RE: [Zope-dev] zope 2.7.0: no tracebacks produced

2004-04-21 Thread Mika, David P (Research)
Thanks! I have found the error_log object in the ZMI too. Dave -Original Message- From: Willi Langenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:41 PM To: Mika, David P (Research) Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] zope 2.7.0: no tracebacks produced

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposal: Rename zope package

2004-04-21 Thread Troy Farrell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: | Troy Farrell wrote: | | -1 on alternative 4. This lurker is with Tres. This is a Z3 | challenge. I wonder how many part-time Zope 2 admins will be happy | about making this change and having to retest code they've

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 03:58, Martin Kretschmar wrote: Maik Jablonski of the german speaking Zope Users Group DZUG issued a pretty bleak outlook for the future of Zope. What are your oppinions? I think Chris is right to say that Maik had a bad day. If not, and if he is serious about his

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 03:58, Martin Kretschmar wrote: Maik Jablonski of the german speaking Zope Users Group DZUG issued a pretty bleak outlook for the future of Zope. What are your oppinions? To not make the previous mail too long, here my general opinion. 1. Maik likes to do things the

Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Peter Sabaini
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2004 03:58, Martin Kretschmar wrote: -- snip -- 2. Maik is is frustrated with the releases of both Zope 2 and Zope 3, including their merging. -- snip -- The situation is even more obvious with the Zope book. All the community has to do is to give

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Terry Hancock
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 05:52 am, Eckart Hertzler wrote: I don't agree. I am new to zope. So I tried zope2 first, because plone had a lot of appeal. I got discouraged very quickly, because zope2 is so very grown over a time it's hard to join later. Zope3 seemed quite well documented and

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Martin Kretschmar wrote: Hello, Maik Jablonski of the german speaking Zope Users Group DZUG issued a pretty bleak outlook for the future of Zope. What are your oppinions? Here comes the translation of his oppoion: Maik, what makes you look full of scepticism for the future of Zope? Shortly

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Max M wrote: Martin Kretschmar wrote: Shortly said, the whole set of stupidities in connection with Zope3. It is a pretty bad state for a project, if it looms for years as the followup project on the horizon but in reality isn't one! It looks like the classical strategic mistake:

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Casey Duncan
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:36:31 +0200 Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some remarks from my side as a Zope2 core developer on this issue: The Z2 community and development is currently at a bad point: - very few people are contributing to the Z2 in terms of new code and bug fixes

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Max M
Stephan Richter wrote: Concerning the release schedule, ZC has little to do with that for Zope 3. In fact, I have been release manager since this summer and I am responsible for the release schedule and packages. However, I decided not to release often, since again we do not have bandwidth to

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Martin, Maik, Andreas, and others, I see two issues being raised in this thread: 2. Especially Andreas expressed his worries about the current release policy in Zope 2 and its future regarding maintainance and support. I have to say that I share some of his

Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 10:18, Peter Sabaini wrote: The situation is even more obvious with the Zope book. All the community has to do is to give a particular part/chapter/section to a couple of people for maintenance. But oh wait, that would need someone to manage this effort and

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread robert rottermann
will not be able to participate easily on the academic Zope3 train. The technic freaks who modell Zope3 are usually not application developers, which have to build and run working applications for real human users. That's both insulting and incorrect. Many of the leaders of the Zope 2

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 10:40, Max M wrote: I normally don't develop in c. So I don't have Visual Studion installed. You can also use cygwin. I have downloaded the milestones and tried them out. But then I read about this and that *geddon, and think well guess I should wait for another

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Terry Hancock
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 09:40 am, Max M wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: However, we are getting the first alpha out by the end of the month. Hopefully, by end of May we will have finished the X3.0 to-do list and will release the beta. At this point the API will freeze and application

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: I'm surprised to read this. Could you be more specific about your concerns? Did you read Andreas Jung's mail? He was pretty specific, but I had to hunt around as in my mailreader his reply had broken the thread. Regards, Martijn ___

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Max M
robert rottermann wrote: will not be able to participate easily on the academic Zope3 train. The technic freaks who modell Zope3 are usually not application developers, which have to build and run working applications for real human users. That's both insulting and incorrect. Many of the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Martin Kretschmar
Hello, Jim, we native german speakers tend to be much more direct and phrase dings more bluntly the you americans do. In german I read Maik's statement as a strong opinion but never as an insult. Since I am the one who asked Mike to speak up I would feel bad if it created any bad

Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 04:18:17PM +0200, Peter Sabaini wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2004 03:58, Martin Kretschmar wrote: -- snip -- 2. Maik is is frustrated with the releases of both Zope 2 and Zope 3, including their merging. -- snip -- The situation is

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.X Session problems

2004-04-21 Thread Chris McDonough
What do you have the transient object timeout set for? On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 02:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Chris McDonough wrote: I am using new Transience.py, and my temp_folder is on Sessions.fs ZODB now. I have one problem with it - it does not

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: Some remarks from my side as a Zope2 core developer on this issue: The Z2 community and development is currently at a bad point: - very few people are contributing to the Z2 in terms of new code and bug fixes (see the tons of open bugs in the collector) In the last year,

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposal: Rename zope package

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Troy Farrell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: | Troy Farrell wrote: | | -1 on alternative 4. This lurker is with Tres. This is a Z3 | challenge. I wonder how many part-time Zope 2 admins will be happy | about making this change and having to

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Maik Jablonski
Martin Kretschmar wrote: Maik Jablonski of the german speaking Zope Users Group DZUG issued a pretty bleak outlook for the future of Zope. What are your oppinions? Hi to all, I'm not able to respond to all mails in this thread due to a trashed shoulder (very unlucky cyclocross-crash last

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Jamie Heilman
Casey Duncan wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:36:31 +0200 Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some remarks from my side as a Zope2 core developer on this issue: The Z2 community and development is currently at a bad point: - very few people are contributing to the Z2 in terms of

Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 10:18, Peter Sabaini wrote: That being said, I wonder if there are people interested to make an effort for a 2.7 Edition of the Zope book? I am. I think Paul is too. It won't be nearly as much work as 2.5 - 2.6. Let's just do it. Wanna pick chapters? I'll get the new

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
robert rottermann wrote: will not be able to participate easily on the academic Zope3 train. The technic freaks who modell Zope3 are usually not application developers, which have to build and run working applications for real human users. That's both insulting and incorrect. Many of the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:41:27AM -0400, Casey Duncan wrote: I agree that bugs deserve more attention. We need to have more bug days. I meant to suggest a date last week, but I got diverted. How would people feel about next Thursday, April 29? +1 -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Casey Duncan wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:36:31 +0200 Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - very few people are willing to contribute to documentation On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly* lowers the bar on contributing substantive docs for Zope. I would

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm surprised to read this. Could you be more specific about your concerns? Did you read Andreas Jung's mail? He was pretty specific, but I had to hunt around as in my mailreader his reply had broken the thread. I was responding to Philipp, not

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Jamie Heilman wrote: .. Oh, and about Maik's comment that ZC is the bottleneck in Z2 dev--Jim, I think it was Andreas you might not agree with Maik, but hidden security bugs over a year old aren't something the rest of the community can do anything about. Are you suggesting that we hid them? As

[Zope-dev] Re: Proposal: Rename zope package

2004-04-21 Thread Tres Seaver
Jim Fulton wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Based on recent discussions, I've created a proposal: http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/RenameTheZopePackage to rename the zope package to z. Unless there are strong objections, we'll do this after we move the Zope repository

[Zope-dev] On a constructive note: Zope 2.8

2004-04-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey there, I understand from: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.8/MilestonePlan Zope 2.8 is now planned for june. If Zope 2.8 is indeed released by june this could fit fairly well with my own (also delayed :) plans for using this facility in Silva. The obvious area I could try

Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Peter Sabaini
Chris McDonough wrote: On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 10:18, Peter Sabaini wrote: That being said, I wonder if there are people interested to make an effort for a 2.7 Edition of the Zope book? I am. I think Paul is too. It won't be nearly as much work as 2.5 - 2.6. Let's just do it. Wanna pick

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Jamie Heilman
Jim Fulton wrote: Oh, and about Maik's comment that ZC is the bottleneck in Z2 dev--Jim, I think it was Andreas Ah, you're right, oh well apart from who said it... you might not agree with Maik, but hidden security bugs over a year old aren't something the rest of the community can do

Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-21 Thread Chris McDonough
I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition. Currently it's just an exact copy of the 2.6 Edition book (comments and all). I think the plan should be for people to: 1. take ownership of a chapter or

Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 14:10, Peter Sabaini wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 10:18, Peter Sabaini wrote: Ok then... I think the following issues would deserve attention: * Installing chapter: I'm working on it and hope to finish soon (no really this time!) Cool,

Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Sigh. I think I stressed Zope.org to its breaking point by creating a Wiki page. It's down. - C On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 14:13, Chris McDonough wrote: I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On Mittwoch, 21. April 2004 10:41 Uhr -0400 Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly* lowers the bar on contributing substantive docs for Zope. I would implore all of you (as in you, the reader of this message, yes you!) to go

Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-21 Thread Peter Sabaini
Chris McDonough wrote: I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition. Currently it's just an exact copy of the 2.6 Edition book (comments and all). I think the plan should be for people to: 1. take

Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-21 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 02:13:30PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote: I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition. Currently it's just an exact copy of the 2.6 Edition book (comments and all). Also,

[Zope-dev] Better release management (was Re: Zope 2.6 branch closed for bugfixes?)

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Tres Seaver wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Chris, I would call the 2.6 branch closed except for serious security bugs; please don't check in new features or minor bugfixes there. How come? and was this announced anywhere? See the last topic in:

Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 14:52, Paul Winkler wrote: Why don't we use the project CVS at sourceforge? http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=21038 I see you're an admin there. I'm +0 on the idea.. if you and Peter are more comfortable with it than using BackTalk, I'll set it up. It's just

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Casey Duncan
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:36:29 +0200 Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On Mittwoch, 21. April 2004 10:41 Uhr -0400 Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly* lowers the bar on contributing substantive docs for Zope.

[Zope-dev] Re: On a constructive note: Zope 2.8

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey there, I understand from: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.8/MilestonePlan Zope 2.8 is now planned for june. This is, of course, a function of people's availability to help. I still need to fix ZClasses, and I need to get through the Zope X3.0 to-do

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am not too active on the Zope mailing lists any more because there is not too much time left for it. But this thread asks for a comment. So here it is: First of all, I am not sure if the release policy of Zope 3, and the whole concept of doing a complete rewrite was right or wrong, but

[Zope-dev] Re: zLOG changes

2004-04-21 Thread Tres Seaver
Andreas Jung wrote: --On Dienstag, 20. April 2004 17:19 Uhr -0400 Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - when adding LOG = getLogger(...) LOG.info(...) to some modules then the output is only written to the event.log but no longer to stdout (if running in debug mode). Is

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Lennart Regebro
From: Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Year checkins people 2002 7090 33 2003 5276 34 2004 1103 24 # First 3 1/2 months There is some decline, as one would expect in a mature product. Also, I expect most people is like me. I only fix bugs if they bite me, and I understand them OR

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:41:27AM -0400, Casey Duncan wrote: I agree that bugs deserve more attention. We need to have more bug days. I meant to suggest a date last week, but I got diverted. How would people feel about next Thursday, April 29? Stop feeling and do it! No, I can't join, because

Re: [Zope-dev] Better release management (was Re: Zope 2.6 branch closed for bugfixes?)

2004-04-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 14:57, Jim Fulton wrote: Here's one: For each release (e.g. 2.8, 2.9) identify a small team of release managers. This team would be responsible for planning and executing the release, including bug-fix releases for that base release. That team could establish the policy

Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 08:10:26PM +0200, Peter Sabaini wrote: * Reference: IMHO one of the trickier things, especially for the API Ref. because one would first have to decide what constitutes the API and what is simply Zope core... The long-term solution, I think, is to fix the API mess

Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Peter Sabaini
Paul Winkler wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 08:10:26PM +0200, Peter Sabaini wrote: * Reference: IMHO one of the trickier things, especially for the API Ref. because one would first have to decide what constitutes the API and what is simply Zope core... The long-term solution, I think, is to

RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Tim Peters
[Max M] Or perhaps an automated nightly Windows build. [Stephan Richter] We have talked about it many times before, but simply lack the bandwidth. Maybe you could provide this for Cygwin? [Max M] Argh ... that wasn't fair. Ok I will try and find some time to look into it. A problem is

RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Sandor Palfy
Maybe this is (still) relevant to building Zope under Cygwin, maybe not: http://www.zope.org/Members/dgeorgieff/howto_zope_cvs_on_cygwin/index_ht ml Python release23-maint and Zope 2.7 just builds fine on cygwin with the usual ./configure, make, make install sequence. Regards, Sandor