Re: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Richard Jones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 24 Apr 2004 09:13, Andre Meyer wrote: - Commenting/uncommenting code (any hope Python will ever offer multi-line comments?). ''' this_code_is_commented_out() so_is_this() ''' Well, there is certainly more, but this is a start... ;-)

[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-24 Thread Max M
Dieter Maurer wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote at 2004-4-23 10:57 +0200: But ah well, what is done is done. Too late to change the past now. :-0 There is no need to change the past. You can start using CMFCore profitable in the future :-) I also disliked the cmf concept, until I actually started

[Zope-dev] Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows

2004-04-24 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: FYI, there's a similar zip file now containing the same kind of thing for a current Zope3 checkout (s/Zope2/Zope3/ in the URL). If this is good enough for people trying to work from CVS on Windows, let me know and I'll update them from time to time, and maybe move them to a

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope3, CMS, IDEs

2004-04-24 Thread Chris Withers
Seb Bacon wrote: P.S. I don't agree with your pessimistic assessment of CMF, or Plone. They're both good at what they do. Funny, I do, and Joachim's the first person to put that into words that made sense for me... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting -

[Zope-dev] Re: Bug days?

2004-04-24 Thread Chris Withers
Lennart Regebro wrote: From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever happened to the plan to have a monthly bug day on the last monday of each month or somesuch? Nothing, as usual, I guess. Even since bugdays where first thought of, more of then and more regular bugdays have been promised, but

[Zope-dev] Re: Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows

2004-04-24 Thread Max M
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: FYI, there's a similar zip file now containing the same kind of thing for a current Zope3 checkout (s/Zope2/Zope3/ in the URL). If this is good enough for people trying to work from CVS on Windows, let me know and I'll update them from time to time, and

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Bug days?

2004-04-24 Thread Chris McDonough
On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 12:47, Chris Withers wrote: Accounce on [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], zope.org itself (if it's ever working ;-) ) and the nget together on irc.freenode.net #zope-dev... I don't mind being the official announcer and hassler if people are happy for me to have

[Zope-dev] Re: Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows

2004-04-24 Thread Florian Schulze
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:59:36 +0200, Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *did* manage to get Z3 compiled under Cygwin. I just had to type python setup.py build -i and was able to run it after adding the principals.zcml file. I used WinCVS (crlf eol) to check it out, for compiling I used MSVC6 and

RE: [Zope-dev] Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows

2004-04-24 Thread Tim Peters
[Chris Withers] Saw my name mentioned earlier but not sure whether Tim has solved the problem... Can't say -- I put up .pyds for current Zope 2 and Zope 3 HEAD, but haven't heard whether anyone tried them. I'd be happy to set up a nightly (or weekly, let me know which would be better)

[Zope-dev] Re: Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows

2004-04-24 Thread Max M
Tim Peters wrote: [Chris Withers] Saw my name mentioned earlier but not sure whether Tim has solved the problem... Can't say -- I put up .pyds for current Zope 2 and Zope 3 HEAD, but haven't heard whether anyone tried them. I will. Early next week. Something came up friday. I expect that would

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-24 Thread Martijn Faassen
Lennart Regebro wrote: A lot of the things that are CMF should have been put into Zope core. Agreed, that'd been a lot better. The CMF is a framework. It'd be nicer if it'd been a set of independent components. Then Silva (for instance) could've used more of what's in the CMF than is possible

Re: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Andre Meyer
It was not my expectation that you would go and implement all of this ;-) Of course, this is a lot of work, but much has been done by others, already. The wish list was intended as ideas for those capable and willing to contribute. The value of good tools for any technology cannot be

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Bug days?

2004-04-24 Thread Chris Withers
Chris McDonough wrote: Accounce on [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], zope.org itself (if it's ever working ;-) ) and the nget together on irc.freenode.net #zope-dev... I don't mind being the official announcer and hassler if people are happy for me to have that role :-) +1, it would be

RE: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Jean-Francois . Doyon
I agree with Andre. The feature list is ambitious, but complete. That's pretty much what I was about to write myself, but he beat me to it :) More important is the second point: Having such a tool would bring a HUGE amount of value added to Zope. Mega, super huge. In fact I was once presented

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zLOG changes

2004-04-24 Thread Chris Withers
Fred Drake wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2004 04:48 am, Chris Withers wrote: I'm guessing there is some kind of log-to-console logger already? If so, why not just add that in zope.conf and comment it out when you move to production? That would work for me, but not everyone at ZC agreed, so

[Zope-dev] Mailing Log Entries in 2.7

2004-04-24 Thread Chris Withers
Fred Drake wrote: Yes, there is. You should be able to use it by adding a section like this inside your eventlog section in zope.conf: Cool :-) No more need for the MailingLogger product, provided the question below has an answer... And there was me looking forward to writing a product that

[Zope-dev] Re: How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Simon Michael
The web-based development environment (see demo) of http://wheatfarm.org might be of interest too. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists -

[Zope-dev] Re: How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Simon Michael
Hmm not so easy to find, here it is: http://www.wheatfarm.org/wiki/EinkornServer ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists -

RE: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am aware that I am adding another 2-3 man years to the wishlist, but here are some ideas I had lately: A Zope IDE should be much more than just a programming IDE adapted offer highlighting etc. for Zope's languages. It should be an RAD tool similar to what MS Access does for

Re: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Stephan Richter
On Saturday 24 April 2004 21:24, Joachim Werner wrote: Forms (or more general, schemas), can be defined easily, either in a Formulator-like way or graphically (i.e. you see the actual form fields on the screen when working on the form). This UI could be very easily built today using mutable

Re: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Stephan Richter
On Saturday 24 April 2004 21:24, Joachim Werner wrote: All documentation about interfaces and APIs should be available wherever it makes sense, e.g. I can query for all components that are registered for a certain interface and view the interface definitions. This tool already exists. Get a

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope Book at ZopeWiki.org

2004-04-24 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 22 April 2004 08:34, Fred Yankowski wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 06:07:10AM -0400, Stephan Richter wrote: I tried this and I can tell you that a Wiki is not the right format for a book. While it lowers the entrance points, it is far too simplistic. I eventually changed my