Re: [Zope-dev] [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10
Andreas Jung wrote: - HelpSys - from a programmers view pretty much useless and not very helpful. I consider to replace it with something more useful (not sure we can re-use apidoc from Zope 3 in some way, perhaps the inclusion of Dieter's Docfinder might be more useful for programmers) Formulator's using this and I think it might be used by some people. I'm okay with trying to switch Formulator on to something like apidoc though. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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[Zope-dev] Zope tests: 7 OK, 1 Failed
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Tue Dec 20 12:01:02 2005 UTC to Wed Dec 21 12:01:02 2005 UTC. There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Unit Tests. Test failures - Subject: FAILED (errors=1) : Zope-2_7-branch Python-2.4.2 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Dec 20 21:17:40 EST 2005 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2005-December/003813.html Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2_6-branch Python-2.1.3 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Dec 20 21:13:10 EST 2005 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2005-December/003810.html Subject: OK : Zope-2_6-branch Python-2.3.5 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Dec 20 21:14:40 EST 2005 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2005-December/003811.html Subject: OK : Zope-2_7-branch Python-2.3.5 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Dec 20 21:16:10 EST 2005 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2005-December/003812.html Subject: OK : Zope-2_8-branch Python-2.3.5 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Dec 20 21:19:10 EST 2005 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2005-December/003814.html Subject: OK : Zope-2_8-branch Python-2.4.2 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Dec 20 21:20:41 EST 2005 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2005-December/003815.html Subject: OK : Zope-2_9-branch Python-2.4.2 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Dec 20 21:22:11 EST 2005 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2005-December/003816.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.4.2 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue Dec 20 21:23:41 EST 2005 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2005-December/003817.html ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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[Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin
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The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000
zc-bbwin.
Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/
Build Reason: changes
Build Source Stamp: 2398
Blamelist: efge,sidnei
BUILD FAILED: failed test
FYI test output is:
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe /c c:\python24\python.exe test.py -v -m
!^^(ZEO|zope[.]app[.]) --all
in dir C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows
2000--Zope---branches---2.9--2.4\build (timeout 1200 secs)
argv: ['C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\cmd.exe', '/c', 'c:\\python24\\python.exe
test.py -v -m !^^(ZEO|zope[.]app[.]) --all']
environment: {'TMP': 'C:\\DOCUME~1\\buildbot\\LOCALS~1\\Temp',
'COMPUTERNAME': 'BBWIN', 'LIB': 'C:\\Program Files\\Microsoft Visual Studio
.NET 2003\\SDK\\v1.1\\Lib\\', 'USERDOMAIN': 'BBWIN', 'PYTHON':
'c:\\python24\\python.exe', 'COMMONPROGRAMFILES': 'C:\\Program Files\\Common
Files', 'PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER': 'x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 1,
GenuineIntel', 'PROGRAMFILES': 'C:\\Program Files', 'PROCESSOR_REVISION':
'0401', 'SYSTEMROOT': 'C:\\WINDOWS', 'PATH':
'C:\\WINDOWS\\system32;C:\\WINDOWS;C:\\WINDOWS\\System32\\Wbem;c:\\utils;C:\\Program
Files\\Subversion\\bin', 'VIM': 'C:\\Program Files\\Vim', 'TEMP':
'C:\\DOCUME~1\\buildbot\\LOCALS~1\\Temp', 'PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE': 'x86',
'VS71COMNTOOLS': 'C:\\Program Files\\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET
2003\\Common7\\Tools\\', 'APR_ICONV_PATH': 'C:\\Program
Files\\Subversion\\iconv', 'ALLUSERSPROFILE': 'C:\\Documents and
Settings\\All Users', 'INSTANCE_HOME':
'C:\\buildbot\\.com\\bbwin--Windows--FIPS-1---trunk--2.4\\build\\instance',
'SESSIONNAME': 'Console', 'HOMEPATH': '\\Documents and Settings\\buildbot',
'USERNAME': 'buildbot', 'LOGONSERVER': 'BBWIN', 'PROMPT': '$P$G',
'COMSPEC': 'C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\cmd.exe', 'PATHEXT':
'.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH', 'INCLUDE': 'C:\\Program
Files\\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\\SDK\\v1.1\\include\\',
'FP_NO_HOST_CHECK': 'NO', 'WINDIR': 'C:\\WINDOWS', 'HOMEDRIVE': 'C:',
'APPDATA': 'C:\\Documents and Settings\\buildbot\\Application Data',
'SYSTEMDRIVE': 'C:', 'NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS': '1', 'SVN_SSH':
'c:/putty/plink.exe', 'PROCESSOR_LEVEL': '15', 'OS': 'Windows_NT',
'USERPROFILE': 'C:\\Documents and Settings\\buildbot'}
'zope[.]app[.])' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
program finished with exit code 255
Florent
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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked
I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Jim Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:08, Jim Fulton wrote: Sounds good. I'll announce that the repo will be down for maintenance on the 25th, Just FYI, during a dry run this morning I hit an obvious snag: The subversion packages on svn.zope.org are so ancient that they cannot create FSFS backends. What I was able to test so far is dumping: It takes just 10 minutes and creates a file 1.1GB in size, so that's good. I had a look at the packages on the box and luckily the (rather obscure) source they are from does supply newer ones: http://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/subversion/latest/redhat-9.0/bin/ From eyeballing the RPM requirements and then doing a dry-run the packages that will need updating are... - swig (1.3.19-1.1 to 1.3.19-3) - subversion (1.0.6-1 to 1.2.3-1) - subversion-tools (1.0.6-1 to 1.2.3-1) - subversion-python (1.0.6-1 to 1.2.3-1) This additional packages needs to be installed for svn-tools: - subversion-perl (1.2.3-1) Since I cannot do any test right now for loading the dumpfile into a FSFS-based repository I suggest doing this package upgrade beforehand. It only takes a few minutes. I cannot make any guarantees that nothing will break, however. The only major upgrade to a running SVN setup that I have done was 1.1 to 1.2.1 and that was perfectly fine. How should I proceed? jens -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked
Does that mean you're doing it? All necessary RPMs are on the box at / root/svnupgrade/. Otherwise I can do it tomorrow morning (about 5 AM EST) jens On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:08, Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Jim Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:08, Jim Fulton wrote: Sounds good. I'll announce that the repo will be down for maintenance on the 25th, Just FYI, during a dry run this morning I hit an obvious snag: The subversion packages on svn.zope.org are so ancient that they cannot create FSFS backends. What I was able to test so far is dumping: It takes just 10 minutes and creates a file 1.1GB in size, so that's good. I had a look at the packages on the box and luckily the (rather obscure) source they are from does supply newer ones: http://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/subversion/latest/redhat-9.0/bin/ From eyeballing the RPM requirements and then doing a dry-run the packages that will need updating are... - swig (1.3.19-1.1 to 1.3.19-3) - subversion (1.0.6-1 to 1.2.3-1) - subversion-tools (1.0.6-1 to 1.2.3-1) - subversion-python (1.0.6-1 to 1.2.3-1) This additional packages needs to be installed for svn-tools: - subversion-perl (1.2.3-1) Since I cannot do any test right now for loading the dumpfile into a FSFS-based repository I suggest doing this package upgrade beforehand. It only takes a few minutes. I cannot make any guarantees that nothing will break, however. The only major upgrade to a running SVN setup that I have done was 1.1 to 1.2.1 and that was perfectly fine. How should I proceed? jens -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10
Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, - Gadfly(DA) - do we really need this? We discussed this already. In my opinion the purpose of Gadfly is only educational but nothing that one really needs or uses for production. It could be removed and made available for download on zope.org. -1 From time to time I teach classes on Zope. Often to people with an sql legacy. Most companies don't have a computer lab with similar machines, so often the educational software must be installed on the participants own machine. Which can be of any platform. Using Gadfly as an educational tool is *very* practical. Eg. they can install Zope, and begin using sql at once. Having to install postgres etc. just to teach about database connections etc. would be really impractical. If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked
Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Done Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Does that mean you're doing it? All necessary RPMs are on the box at / root/svnupgrade/. Otherwise I can do it tomorrow morning (about 5 AM EST) Yes, already done. They are also available in my home directory. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked
On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Done Great. I can see http://svn.zope.org works just fine. With this upgrade in place I will do a new dry-run for the FSFS backend migration tomorrow morning. jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10
--On 21. Dezember 2005 17:10:19 +0100 Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. I mentioned to make it available as download. So you can install it when needed. -aj pgp8ItatpYMAz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 08:51, Stefan H. Holek wrote: On 18. Dez 2005, at 17:58, Tim Peters wrote: Nobody should be installing from a checkout to begin with, right? Ok, so that's probably where we disagree then ;-) I almost exclusively work with checkouts, and I would think many developers (as opposed to users) do. Is there really no way to allow make install to work from a sandbox? I strongly disagree as well. I believe it is normal practice to grab a tag or branch tip from subversion and install that. Why would I ever grab some tarball when I'm at the command line already and use svn for everything else, anyway? I'm not happy about this change either -- I just ran into it. I did the 'configure; make; make install' dance, and suddenly I run into an error. I like working with release tarballs but I don't like the experience to be different when I do a checkout. The least I expect is to run into an error message that doesn't tell me anything. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
Andreas Jung wrote: I agree. I am also not happy with that. Unfortunately I have currently no clue how to solve this issue (no idea about zpkg). WHat you can do is the following: - copy the checkout to the location where your software home should be - run configure; make inplace; make instance Doesn't work for me; I don't have a bin/mkzopeinstance after this procedure so I still cannot create instances. Sigh. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: I didn't receive any feedback on zope-general, but it could just be a problem with my environment that fails silently. Can anyone confirm that this isn't pilot error before I file a bug? Thanks. From the thread, it's not a pilot error, so could you please file a bug if you haven't already? I at least consider commands that simply fail to work in development checkouts with obscure errors as a bug. I ran into this independently, and found this thread. If I had come by a few weeks later, I would likely not have found this thread, and I'd have asked the question again. If it at least said hey, this doesn't work, try this instead when you go 'make install', it'd be at least be something, though ideally any command that works in a release should also work in a development checkout. I understand that the reason for this is zpkg. It's not the first time that zpkg slams me right into the head for various reasons. Going into the wider story of packaging philosophy, I suspect there are arguments to be made in favor of making the difference between the repository and the distribution small. A distribution could be *smaller* than a repository, i.e. a profile of what's in the repository, but it'd be nice if structurally what's actually included in a distribution was the same as much as possible as what's in the repository. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 08:51, Stefan H. Holek wrote: On 18. Dez 2005, at 17:58, Tim Peters wrote: Nobody should be installing from a checkout to begin with, right? Ok, so that's probably where we disagree then ;-) I almost exclusively work with checkouts, and I would think many developers (as opposed to users) do. Is there really no way to allow make install to work from a sandbox? I strongly disagree as well. I believe it is normal practice to grab a tag or branch tip from subversion and install that. Why would I ever grab some tarball when I'm at the command line already and use svn for everything else, anyway? I'm not happy about this change either -- I just ran into it. I did the 'configure; make; make install' dance, and suddenly I run into an error. I like working with release tarballs but I don't like the experience to be different when I do a checkout. The least I expect is to run into an error message that doesn't tell me anything. I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. If we did stay with the current situation, we'd need to cleanup the documentation so that a developer can easily reminder herself what she can do and how to do it. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:47 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. I think it's an important requirement; many of us have done this dance for years. The reason I'd suspect this got done by Chris M was to ease our pains we'd had to work around over time and make it easier for people coming into the Zope Community - or their support staff (i.e. Admins) I can't answer the last question, but it seems to apparent that it's important and expected behavior by lots of people in the community. If we did stay with the current situation, we'd need to cleanup the documentation so that a developer can easily reminder herself what she can do and how to do it. If it's indeed *easy* and clear, that should be ok. It just needs to work sensibly :) So many of us are used to the ./configure; make; make install dance. Jim Andrew ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
Andrew Sawyers wrote: On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:47 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. I think it's an important requirement; many of us have done this dance for years. The reason I'd suspect this got done by Chris M was to ease our pains we'd had to work around over time and make it easier for people coming into the Zope Community - or their support staff (i.e. Admins) But those people use releases, not checkouts AFAIK. ... If we did stay with the current situation, we'd need to cleanup the documentation so that a developer can easily reminder herself what she can do and how to do it. If it's indeed *easy* and clear, that should be ok. It just needs to work sensibly :) So many of us are used to the ./configure; make; make install dance. I'll note that, as a developer, I have never done this and probably never would want to do this. The only use case for this is a deployer of Zope that wants to install an unreleased revision of Zope. If this use case is driving this, a better solution might be to build automatic snapshot releases. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?
I'd like to step back and see if we can agree on what is driving the desire for make install. I'll note that one reason is that it worked this way before, but I don't think that that is a good enough reason to delay the release. I'll note one use case: - A Zope deployer wants to deploy an unreleased version of Zope because they need some feature or bug fix that hasn't been released yet. Can anyone think of other use cases? Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin
[Florent Guillaume]
FYI test output is:
...
'zope[.]app[.])' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
program finished with exit code 255
That was due to an ill-formed command line, which Jim repaired this
morning. Zope trunk and Zope 2.9 branch are still failing on Windows,
though, with different symptoms now:
Failure in test test_checkPermission_proxy_role_scope
(AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run
testMethod()
File C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows
2000--Zope---trunk--2.4\build\lib\python\AccessControl\tests\testZopeSecurityPolicy.py,
line 326, in test_checkPermission_proxy_role_scope
self.failUnless(self.policy.checkPermission('Kill', r_subitem, context))
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 309, in failUnless
if not expr: raise self.failureException, msg
AssertionError
.
Failure in test test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access
(AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run
testMethod()
File C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows
2000--Zope---trunk--2.4\build\lib\python\AccessControl\tests\testZopeSecurityPolicy.py,
line 302, in test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access
self.failIf(self.policy.checkPermission('Foo', r_item, context))
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 305, in failIf
if expr: raise self.failureException, msg
AssertionError
.
Failure in test test_checkPermission_respects_proxy_roles
(AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run
testMethod()
File C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows
2000--Zope---trunk--2.4\build\lib\python\AccessControl\tests\testZopeSecurityPolicy.py,
line 291, in test_checkPermission_respects_proxy_roles
self.failUnless(self.policy.checkPermission('View', r_item, context))
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 309, in failUnless
if not expr: raise self.failureException, msg
AssertionError
I don't have time to look at it. Since the Windows buildbot slave
`bbwin` doesn't have a C compiler, I suppose it's possible that the
old, canned .pyd files it uses are out of synch with the current C
code.
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Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
On 21 Dec 2005, at 18:47, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. IMHO it is an important requirement. We're inviting a hailstorm of questions and annoyed users by breaking this well-known routine for checkouts. I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would even lead to major annoyance where I work right now, just to give a real life example. For us, building out a development sandbox is the same process as building out a production instance, and for development buildouts we routinely want to just substitute checkous from a different tag/branch of Zope. jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
--On 21. Dezember 2005 19:35:35 + Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would even lead to major annoyance where I work right now, just to give a real life example. For us, building out a development sandbox is the same process as building out a production instance, and for development buildouts we routinely want to just substitute checkous from a different tag/branch of Zope. Who has the knowledge and time to fix this? -aj pgpXxv3ntvSUU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?
Just as a data point. A lot of autoconf projects (the ones that made ./configure; make; make install famous) don't just run like that from a checkout, but they are never more than 2 steps away from that. The process for a checkout is usually more like ./autoconf; ./automake; ./configure; make; make install My point is: I don't think there's anything wrong in the install procedure being different between the checkout and the tarball, but it should never take more than a couple of fixed (and documented) steps to convert a checkout to a tarball-equivalent environment, where ./configure; make; make install would work. Cheers, Leo. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin
[Tim Peters]
...
Failure in test test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access
(AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run
testMethod()
File
C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows2000--Zope---trunk--2.4\build\lib\python\AccessControl\tests\testZopeSecurityPolicy.py,
line 302, in test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access
self.failIf(self.policy.checkPermission('Foo', r_item, context))
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 305, in failIf
if expr: raise self.failureException, msg
AssertionError
...
I don't have time to look at it. Since the Windows buildbot slave
`bbwin` doesn't have a C compiler, I suppose it's possible that the
old, canned .pyd files it uses are out of synch with the current C
code.
That was the problem. Turns out `bbwin` does have a compiler, but the
buildbot recipe didn't use it. After Jim fixed that, we have another
Windows-specific failure, in new code from ChrisM (this is on Zope
trunk, of course):
Failure in test test_get_env (ZServer.tests.test_clockserver.ClockServerTests)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run
testMethod()
File C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows
2000--Zope---trunk--2.4\build\lib\python\ZServer\tests\test_clockserver.py,
line 87, in test_get_env
self.assertEqual(env['PATH_TRANSLATED'], '/a /b')
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 333, in failUnlessEqual
raise self.failureException, \
AssertionError: '\\a \\b' != '/a /b'
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[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10
Max M wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core. It is extraordinarilly functional and has few requirements. I particularly like using it to ensure unit tests against RDBMS connections work properly. Requiring a user to install postgresql just to run the unit tests of a product is somewhat unfeasible. - Rocky -- Rocky Burt ServerZen Software -- http://www.serverzen.com ServerZen Hosting -- http://www.serverzenhosting.net News About The Server -- http://www.serverzen.net ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin
Hmmm... I *think* I just fixed this.
On Dec 21, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Tim Peters wrote:
[Tim Peters]
...
Failure in test test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access
(AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run
testMethod()
File C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows2000--Zope---trunk--2.4
\build\lib\python\AccessControl\tests\testZopeSecurityPolicy.py,
line 302, in test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access
self.failIf(self.policy.checkPermission('Foo', r_item, context))
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 305, in failIf
if expr: raise self.failureException, msg
AssertionError
...
I don't have time to look at it. Since the Windows buildbot slave
`bbwin` doesn't have a C compiler, I suppose it's possible that the
old, canned .pyd files it uses are out of synch with the current C
code.
That was the problem. Turns out `bbwin` does have a compiler, but the
buildbot recipe didn't use it. After Jim fixed that, we have another
Windows-specific failure, in new code from ChrisM (this is on Zope
trunk, of course):
Failure in test test_get_env
(ZServer.tests.test_clockserver.ClockServerTests)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run
testMethod()
File C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows
2000--Zope---trunk--2.4\build\lib\python\ZServer\tests
\test_clockserver.py,
line 87, in test_get_env
self.assertEqual(env['PATH_TRANSLATED'], '/a /b')
File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 333, in failUnlessEqual
raise self.failureException, \
AssertionError: '\\a \\b' != '/a /b'
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Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
This has been my approach also. Not surprisingly, many of us worked on these processes together and have 'sanitized them' over time. :) There has always been 'another side' who either hasn't liked this procedure or the 'make' voodoo and have come up with their own, or just haven't had to do this at all. Andrew I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would even lead to major annoyance where I work right now, just to give a real life example. For us, building out a development sandbox is the same process as building out a production instance, and for development buildouts we routinely want to just substitute checkous from a different tag/branch of Zope. jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin
[Tim Peters] ... That was the problem. Turns out `bbwin` does have a compiler, but the buildbot recipe didn't use it. After Jim fixed that, we have another Windows-specific failure, in new code from ChrisM (this is on Zope trunk, of course): Failure in test test_get_env (ZServer.tests.test_clockserver.ClockServerTests) Traceback (most recent call last): File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run testMethod() File C:\buildbot\.org\zc-bbwin--Windows 2000--Zope---trunk--2.4\build\lib\python\ZServer\tests \test_clockserver.py, line 87, in test_get_env self.assertEqual(env['PATH_TRANSLATED'], '/a /b') File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 333, in failUnlessEqual raise self.failureException, \ AssertionError: '\\a \\b' != '/a /b' [Chris McDonough] Hmmm... I *think* I just fixed this. Luckily for us, the buildbot doesn't give a rip what either of us think. Its judgment is that you _did_ fix it, and there's not a court in the land that will convict you given that perfect defense. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: IMHO it is an important requirement. We're inviting a hailstorm of questions and annoyed users by breaking this well-known routine for checkouts. I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would even lead to major annoyance where I work right now, just to give a real life example. For us, building out a development sandbox is the same process as building out a production instance, and for development buildouts we routinely want to just substitute checkous from a different tag/branch of Zope. Big +1, and that's not just 'cos I work with Jens ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10
Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys for a Zope user? I can't recall clicking on top frame of the ZMI or a 'Help!' link in the past few years, either. Perhaps an equivalent or greater benefit would be to rip out locally installed static help facilities, and spend the effort migrating* zope.org to a plone version that could run PloneHelpCenter: http://plone.org/documentation FWIW, I think storing docs anywhere on the filesystem and in the product distribution is absolutely 100% evil. You asking product authors to commit to a url being around forever, and that's unreasonable and foolish... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?
On 12/21/05, Leonardo Rochael Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is: I don't think there's anything wrong in the install procedure being different between the checkout and the tarball, but it should never take more than a couple of fixed (and documented) steps to convert a checkout to a tarball-equivalent environment, where ./configure; make; make install would work. How important is the convert aspect of this? Would creating a new tree that supports ./configure; make; make install seem reasonable to you? If so, zpkg -t -C releases/Zope.cfg would create the tree, and cd Zope-0.0.0 would make that the current directory. There is a hidden difference here, however: the new tree would be a Zope 3 release, and would not typically contain everything in the checkout. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.fdrake at gmail.com There is no wealth but life. --John Ruskin ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [ZPublisher] specifiying 'charset' for the content-type header
--On 21. Dezember 2005 18:07:49 + Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How will Zope know when _not_ to add the content-type header? Makes no sense to me. Either the application set the content-type header or Zope does it for you. Check HTTPResponse.py. How will Zope tell if the charset is undefined and what does undefined mean in this context? The HTTP spec says that a http server *can* set the charset to make the encoding of the payload clear. That's what we are doing now. Not specifying the charset means for the browser: *guessing* the encoding which means the browser defaults to some unspecified default encoding. -aj pgp7xgHZLLdbH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10
--On 21. Dezember 2005 17:23:26 -0330 Rocky Burt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core. It is extraordinarilly functional and has few requirements. I particularly like using it to ensure unit tests against RDBMS connections work properly. Requiring a user to install postgresql just to run the unit tests of a product is somewhat unfeasible. Do you volunteer to take over the responsibility for this project? That means: - integrate the python bindings - integrate the DA - if necessary update existing documentation - convince someone from ZC to import the Sqlite code base on svn.zope.org (since Sqlite is _not_ ZPL only a ZC employee is permitted to import non-ZPL code). -aj pgpUMN2csL00N.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2419 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10
Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I've never met ppl who actually used the HelpSys so that's why I am raising the question about the value of the HelpSys. Lots of my co-workers work with Zope on different levels (scripters, product developers)...I've always pointed them to the Zope Book...the HelpSys was never a topic. I most commonly use the HurtSys for DateTime's api, and some of the idnexing apis. That said, I also agree it should die if something nicer comes along ;-) I use it a lot, and like Chris, for the DateTime stuff, but also for looking up how to manage properties, etc. It is/was a big help for me (more so than the zope book, at least when I was learning Zope) when learning stuff and looking up things. One difference I perceive (YMMV) between the Zope book and the Online help is that the online help is more of a renference than the Zope book. I think my point is that it is an added value if there is an online help available that does not require a live connection to the internet every time you need to look something up. So +1 on killing the current helpsystem and +1 on replacing it with something nicer :-) Sincerely, /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 21 Dec 2005, at 18:47, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. IMHO it is an important requirement. We're inviting a hailstorm of questions and annoyed users by breaking this well-known routine for checkouts. I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would even lead to major annoyance where I work right now, just to give a real life example. For us, building out a development sandbox is the same process as building out a production instance, and for development buildouts we routinely want to just substitute checkous from a different tag/branch of Zope. +1 on this. It is important for us in the forced to be both developer and deployer by evil sysadmins camp. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
