Re: [Zope-dev] Why does zope.tales explicitly pin versions in buildout.cfg?

2009-08-06 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
* 2009-08-06 08:27, Shane Hathaway wrote: Sure. Pinned versions are OK for a maintenance branch, but not the trunk. Thanks, I just committed the change. -- Fabio Tranchitella http://www.kobold.it Free Software Developer and Consultant http://www.tranchitella.it

[Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Hello, it is evident that there is no consensus on the list of packages that are part of the Zope Toolkit. As Gary suggested me, it looks like the concept of ZTK is different for each developer and it is more or less the packages I use and I care about. We need a policy to define the ZTK in an

[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 4 OK, 4 Failed

2009-08-06 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Wed Aug 5 12:00:00 2009 UTC to Thu Aug 6 12:00:00 2009 UTC. There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Tests. Test failures - Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Zope-2.12 Python-2.6.2 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Wed Aug 5 20:50:47 EDT

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 8/6/09 11:35 , Fabio Tranchitella wrote: I propose a (very) simple policy, which we can use to improve the current situation: * a package is part of the ZTK if the following criteria are met: - It has at least N zope developers (with commit rights) who explicitly expressed

[Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.0b4 released

2009-08-06 Thread Andreas Jung
I just released Zope 2.12.0 beta 4 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Zope2/2.12.0b4 Andreas begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
* 2009-08-06 15:30, Wichert Akkerman wrote: How about another one: * the package has to be usable with all of Zope 2, grok and the Zope 3 application server Yep, I agree. -- Fabio Tranchitella http://www.kobold.it Free Software Developer and Consultant

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 8/6/09 11:35 , Fabio Tranchitella wrote: I propose a (very) simple policy, which we can use to improve the current situation: * a package is part of the ZTK if the following criteria are met: - It has at least N

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Hello, * 2009-08-06 17:03, Tres Seaver wrote: How about another one: * the package has to be usable with all of Zope 2, grok and the Zope 3 application server That guarantees the stated goal that ZTK is reusable. I would restrict it to the big toolkit set which is used by

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Fred Drake
2009/8/6 Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it: Am I correct saying that your idea is to restrict the ZTK to the packages defined as the intersection of the dependencies of zope2, zope3 and grok?  ZTK = intersection ( zope2-dependencies , zope3-dependencies, grok ) That's my understanding of

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.app.module, zope.app.interface and zodb in KGS?

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Jim Fulton wrote: [snip] Then the question is whether the dependence of zope.app.zcmlfiles on zope.app.interface is needed. I'll look to see what that's about. For the record, I'd be happy to see zope.app.interface and zope.app.module gone from our dependencies. zope.app.zcmlfiles

Re: [Zope-dev] Some thoughts on KGS

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the KGS should define 3 categories of packages: - ZTK packages These are packages we maintain and expect people to build things on. - Test packages These are packages that build on the ZTK. These are used to test the ZTK packages, but aren't

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Lennart Regebro wrote: 2009/7/5 Stephan Richter srich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu: To be honest, I am very disappointed by this list. It is totally meaningless to me since it does not represent any list with which I can build even a fairly simple application today. There is not a single z3c

Re: [Zope-dev] Breaking the dep cycle between zope.{container, filerepresentation}

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Fabio Tranchitella wrote: Hello, I just committed the removal of the dependency from zope.filerepresentation to zope.container, breaking the dependency cycle. A belated yay! Thanks! Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] Packages to be released

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: I'd like to release some packages with fixed/improved dependencies: - zope.location - zope.sendmail - zope.pagetemplate - zope.app.publisher - zope.filerepresentation These packages are already ok in the repository, but I don't have the rights

Re: [Zope-dev] KGS trunk without failures

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Stephan Richter wrote: - Insufficient dependency lists. I wish we were publishing z3c.recipe.depgraph results for all these packages in a convenient place. I'm worried that fixing dependencies introduced cycles again (that were of course really there). That's not to complain about all

Re: [Zope-dev] Why does zope.tales explicitly pin versions in buildout.cfg?

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Shane Hathaway wrote: Fabio Tranchitella wrote: Is there a specific reason for having the version pinning? Automatic testing of zope.tales obviously fails using the KGS, because zope.traversing there is 3.7.1. Is it possible to remove the versions stanza? Sure. Pinned versions are OK

Re: [Zope-dev] Simplifying dependencies of zope.app.publisher

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey Fabio, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: I'm sorry if I am flooding the list with all my requests/messages, but I don't want to introduce changes without approval of more experienced zope developers. A belated +1 to discussing things, and +1 to doing work. :) I was analyzing zope.app.publisher,

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.index 3.5.2 broken

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] The diff between 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 is pretty long and substantial. I doubt that such a major change us ok as a bugfix release. I should have become a new major release. From what you say, agreed. Regards, Martijn

Re: [Zope-dev] Move implementation of getParent to zope.location?

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Thomas Lotze wrote: There are two functions in zope.traversing.api, getParent and getParents, that are rather closely related. The former is implemented right in that module while the latter adapts its argument to zope.location.interfaces.ILocationInfo and calls getParents() on that. Why is

Re: [Zope-dev] Packages to be released

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Jim Fulton wrote: Well, um, we're in a position now where the various packages we've released don't seem to work together, because we've been releasing individual packages without running combined tests. I know this isn't your fault, but I'm queezy about doing more of this.

Re: [Zope-dev] Packages to be released

2009-08-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Martijn Faassenfaas...@startifact.com wrote: Hey, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: I'd like to release some packages with fixed/improved dependencies:   - zope.location   - zope.sendmail   - zope.pagetemplate   - zope.app.publisher   - zope.filerepresentation

Re: [Zope-dev] Some thoughts on KGS

2009-08-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Martijn Faassenfaas...@startifact.com wrote: Hey, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the KGS should define 3 categories of packages: - ZTK packages    These are packages we maintain and expect people to build things on. - Test packages     These are packages

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: it is evident that there is no consensus on the list of packages that are part of the Zope Toolkit. As Gary suggested me, it looks like the concept of ZTK is different for each developer and it is more or less the packages I use and I care about. In a way the

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Martijn Faassenfaas...@startifact.com wrote: Hey, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: it is evident that there is no consensus on the list of packages that are part of the Zope Toolkit. As Gary suggested me, it looks like the concept of ZTK is different for each

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Hello, * 2009-08-06 19:30, Martijn Faassen wrote: We need to get a procedure in place to do compat tests of what's in that list, dependency graph guarding of what's in that list, and locking down a KGS for that list. I think that since we have a list doing all these things is only a matter of

Re: [Zope-dev] Simplifying dependencies of zope.app.publisher

2009-08-06 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Hello, * 2009-08-06 18:55, Martijn Faassen wrote: I was analyzing zope.app.publisher, and I found that it would be possible to remove its dependency on zope.container because the latter is only used in zope/app/publisher/xmlrpc/configure.zcml to declare thee views like this: view

Re: [Zope-dev] Simplifying dependencies of zope.app.publisher

2009-08-06 Thread Shane Hathaway
Fabio Tranchitella wrote: My knowledge of the zope.publisher is too limited to do any change in this area, but to me it looks like these configurations (both of them) should be perfomed by zope.app.publisher (removing the dependency zope.container - zope.publisher), but conditionally

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 8/6/09 17:44 , Fred Drake wrote: 2009/8/6 Fabio Tranchitellakob...@kobold.it: Am I correct saying that your idea is to restrict the ZTK to the packages defined as the intersection of the dependencies of zope2, zope3 and grok? ZTK = intersection ( zope2-dependencies , zope3-dependencies,

Re: [Zope-dev] List of packages in the ZTK

2009-08-06 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fred Drake wrote: 2009/8/6 Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it: Am I correct saying that your idea is to restrict the ZTK to the packages defined as the intersection of the dependencies of zope2, zope3 and grok? ZTK = intersection (