[Zope-dev] download.zope.org down

2013-06-11 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

download.zope.org seems to be.

Bad because there is Plone hotfix release scheduled
for toda 15h UTC...

Andreas
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[Zope-dev] Forcing buildout to download sdist packages only

2013-05-30 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

I have a buildout where I am using the 'pyamp' module.

https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyamp

zc.buildout on my Raspberry PI tries to download and install
the binary release package for Linux. Is there a way to
force buildout to use source code distros only?

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Re: [Zope-dev] ZCA for javascript

2013-05-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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Should laugh or run and cry?

- -aj

Christopher Lozinski wrote:
 ZCA is very interesting stuff.
 
 I got a call today from a client who wants to do an extensible 
 application in Javacript.
 
 I instantly thought, we could do ZCA in Javascript.  And while not
 many people likes ZODB servers, they all love Javascript clients.
 
 Has anyone done something like this?   Is anyone interested in doing 
 something like this?
 
 What do you think
 
 And forgive me if this is not strictly speaking about zope
 development, but this email list is certainly the community of people
 who would be interested in this topic.
 
 And while we are discussing Javascript, which zope packages should I
 be using for Javascript development and templating?  Megrok.Jinja?
 
 Regards Christopher Lozinski
 
 
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] ZCA for javascript

2013-05-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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Like always: you're thoughtd and reasoning are years behind of what
people actually do today or using nowadays. I remember your pointless
discussions on ZClasses - years ago, years after we kicked ZClasses
completely. I suggest to move on to a Javascript community and continue
do discuss there. Nowaday we have framework like backbone.js, angular.js
on the client for doing state-of-the-art client-side JS implementations.
Or stuff like Obviel (from Martijn Faasen, a long time contributor of
Zope). Don't take it personally but all your questions and communication
over the last decade it based on very little technical insight and
experience. Application design and decisions should be left
to other persons.

- -aj

Christopher Lozinski wrote:
 On 5/21/13 11:22 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
 
 Should laugh or run and cry?
 
 Neither.
 
 You should tell me what is wrong with the idea.
 
 I think adaptors are a good tool for components.
 
 ZCA is the only system I know of for doing this.
 
 Clearly it needs to be ported to Javascript, but that is easy
 compared to figuring out all the issues.
 
 So what is the problem.  Is there a reason you cannot have adaptors
 in Javascript???
 
 And as a general note, I would have been much further along if I had
 not received such hostility from this mailing list in the past.
 
 
 Chris
 

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Re: [Zope-dev] ZCA for javascript

2013-05-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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Christopher Lozinski wrote:

 
 
 On 5/21/13 11:32 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
 Like always: you're thoughtd and reasoning are years behind of
 what people actually do today or using nowadays. I remember your
 pointless discussions on ZClasses - years ago,
 
 Not pointless.  I figured out how to do it.  I now know how to
 implement ZClasses on Zope 3. http://zopache.com/RFP_LozinskiClasses
 
 Just took a while longer than it should have.  To much discouragement
 here.
 

You are stilling blathering like all the years. You show up every other
year arguing about old stuff and bring idea and saying that you are
doing something. What have you done so far and what did you contribute
so far? Nothing. So recall my first reply..I know that this is now
personal but dealing with people providing only blather to the community
 is annoying.

- -aj

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Re: [Zope-dev] zookeeper + mailing lists

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Jung
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Christopher Lozinski wrote:
 On 5/8/13 3:30 AM, Dave Cahill wrote:  on the zope-3 mailing lists.
 Hi,
 
 I was using the export_tree method in zc.zk to dump a zookeeper
 tree today, and some nodes which have no data had garbage data
 dumped instead of an empty string. I think this is an issue in the
 underlying zookeeper library, but there is a simple patch to avoid
 the issue (attached), so if possible it would be nice to see it
 added in zc.zk.
 
 Here's a link to the patch in case attachements aren't allowed on
 the list: https://gist.github.com/davecahill/5539050
 
 I'm new here, so if I should be posting on one of the the other
 Zope lists, please let me know.
 
 Thanks, Dave.
 
 
 A quick google search shows that zookeeper is an apache tool for
 keeping apache server configuration information.
 
 I think this post belongs on zope-dev, so I am reposting it for the 
 author, along with a brief answer to his questions on mailing lists.
 
 Nice to see people working on this stuff.
 
 The mailing lists and the names are in a bit of a confusion.
 
 The zope-3 mailing list has been dead as long as I can remember.
 
 zope-dev is for people building the core libraries.  As such I think 
 that your patch qualifies for a posting on that list.  So I copied it
 to there.
 
 yahoo has several zope mailing lists.  The spanish and Portuguese
 lists are strong.  For reasons I cannot understand, I am not able to
 post on the english list, z...@yahoogroups.com, and the error message
 mentions egroups, they got bought out by yahoo 10 years ago, I
 suspect that the admin for the yahoo groups mailing list is retired
 without replacement.
 
 there is the bluebream mailing list, but since there is no bluebream 
 release currently available, that seems quite dead.
 
 And of course the zope-dev mailing list keeps getting the zope-tests 
 results, which is short term information, and thus pollutes the long
 term archives and gets copied  to the yahoo mailing lists making it 
 hard to find useful information.
 
 Rather than just complaining, let me make my suggestions.
 
 I would love to see a zope-tests mailing lists.  That way the people
 who want that information can get it.   And those of us who don't
 dont.

We have really *enough* dead Zope related mailing lists. Nobody needs
new lists. For a project with very little effort going on and with a
stagnating audience: what we have is good enough.

- -aj


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Re: [Zope-dev] Success at porting ZTK to Python 3!

2013-04-08 Thread Andreas Jung
Very cool. Great work!

-aj

Albertas Agejevas wrote:
 Subject: Success at porting ZTK app to Python 3!

 Hi all,

 I'm glad to announce that we at CipherHealth have recently ported a
 full-fledged ZTK application to Python 3!


 What is cipher.uibuilder?
 ~

 UI Builder is the infrastructural part of our major product.  It is a
 library for building multi-tenant systems for business applications
 that involve import, processing and export of some data.  UI Builder
 allows the admin to set up various user-facing views for the data,
 including tables, forms, charts, etc.

 Each tenant (site) has a separate configuration that is editable TTW
 and is stored using the ZODB and ConfigParser files on disk.  The
 configuration files then can be loaded into a site.  This allows us to
 version configurations and move them between environments.

 UI Builder also provides facilities for scheduled tasks and background
 execution of long-running jobs using celery.

 UI Builder uses z3c.form, z3c.table, as well as zope.publisher and
 friends.

 We have put together a simple demo application that exercises most
 UI Builder features.


 Status of the Python 3 port
 ~~~

 We have the demo application successfully running on Python 3.3.  In
 order to do that we have to rely on a number of alpha packages
 and several unreleased versions in py3 branches of dependencies.
 There still are several open issues, such as absence of xlwt-based
 Excel output and the issue of ZODB data backwards compatibility.

 In order to get zope.testbrowser-based tests to work on Python 3, we
 chose to migrate to WebTest as the back end instead of mechanize, as
 mechanize proved to be too hard to port to Python 3.  The new version
 of zope.testbrowser is highly compatible with the previous one,
 verified on test suites of several major applications which used
 zope.testbrowser.


 Trying it out
 ~

 If you're interested, you can check out the py3 branch of
 cipher.uibuilderdemo.  Follow the instructions in the README.txt:

 https://github.com/CipherHealth/cipher.uibuilderdemo/tree/py3


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Re: [Zope-dev] WebSockets API

2012-11-27 Thread Andreas Jung
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Alex Leach wrote:

 
 It is a bag of useful libraries :) Is there anything that would ease
 the development of a WebSockets server, though? I would have thought
 there is, and that it would be at least possible, if not simple, to
 implement from existing base classes...

Use the right tool for each problem. Zope is really not the right choice
for implementing a websocket server. There are dozens of better
solutions for Python like

http://autobahn.ws/

Don't try to misuse a framework for a purpose that it has not been
invented for.

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[Zope-dev] [zc.buildout] AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'location'

2012-02-10 Thread Andreas Jung
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I have a Plone 4.2 buildout where I upgraded the zc.buildout version
from 1.4.2 to 1.5.2 for the integration with Jenkins.

Since the upgrade I receive the following error while running buildout.

Bug or feature?

Andreas


Upgraded:
  zc.buildout version 1.5.2;
restarting.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File bin/buildout, line 17, in module
import zc.buildout.buildout
  File
/opt/python/2.6.4/lib/python2.6/site-packages/zc.buildout-1.5.2-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
line 39, in module
import zc.buildout.download
  File
/opt/python/2.6.4/lib/python2.6/site-packages/zc.buildout-1.5.2-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/download.py,
line 20, in module
from zc.buildout.easy_install import realpath
  File
/opt/python/2.6.4/lib/python2.6/site-packages/zc.buildout-1.5.2-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py,
line 81, in module
pkg_resources.Requirement.parse('zc.buildout')).location
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'location'
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Re: [Zope-dev] Hello

2012-02-09 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

the committer committee of the Zope Foundation
lately agreed on the new naming convention firstname.lastname .

See

http://docs.zope.org/developer/new-members-procedure.html


Andreas

Franco Pellegrini wrote:
 Hello everybody, i got commit access to the zope repository last 
 night... would it be possible to change my username from 
 franco.pellegrini to frapell ?
 
 I already changed it from 
 https://svn.zope.org/manage-profile/index.html, is there something 
 else i could do ? or someone needs to change some configuration 
 manually ?
 
 thank you very much in advance.
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope internals documentation

2012-01-01 Thread Andreas Jung
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Martin Aspeli wrote:
 On 1 January 2012 10:43, Jens Vagelpohl j...@dataflake.org wrote:
 Hi Martin,
 
 There *is* a better place, docs.zope.org. If you can tell me
 where the sources are I can put it there.
 Sure: Clone
 https://github.com/collective/collective.developermanual/ and get
 it from source/zope_secrets.
 Thanks, I'll take a look at it today.
 
 
 Where is docs.zope.org maintained?
 On one of the ZF servers.
 
 If it's going to go there, I'd like it to (a) be in version control 
 and (b) be somewhere that I can edit it. Is that doable?

Wouldn't it make sense to integrate your docs with The Zope Book.
It's maintained using Sphinx and the sources are on svn.zope.org
(somewhere).

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[Zope-dev] Change in webmaster position

2011-10-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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Dear Zope community,

on behalf of the Zope Foundation I would like to  announce a
change in the position of the zope.org webmaster.

Michael Haubenwallner stepped back as zope.org webmaster after long time
serving the Zope community. Unfortunately I have never met Michael in
person but working with Michael was always a pleasure.

Michael, thank you so much for being such a great team player and for
your long-time engagement in the Zope community and especially for
holding the old crappy zope.org site up  running.

Our new webmaster is Johannes Raggam. Johannes volunteered for the
position and the Zope Foundation board unanimously supported the
application.

Johannes has been a contributor to Plone for many years and works
closely together with Michael. Both Michael and Johannes have been
involved in the zope.org relaunch earlier this year. So there should be
a smooth transition in the zope.org website maintenance.

Thanks Michael and welcome Johannes!

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Re: [Zope-dev] [collective.recipe.solrinstance] Example not working

2011-10-18 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Laurence Rowe l...@lrowe.co.uk
 wrote:
 Should we migrate the recipe to github and get a free issue
 tracker?
 
 Ok. I've started the SVN to Git migration. Repo will be at 
 https://github.com/hannosch/collective.recipe.solrinstance and
 anyone who has recently committed should have contributor rights to
 the new repo.
 
 Andreas: Please add an issue at 
 https://github.com/hannosch/collective.recipe.solrinstance/issues ;)

I am trying to figure out the problem right now. I have now a
configuration running with Solr 3.3.0. Apparently more a documentation
or configuration bug than a recipe bug...

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[Zope-dev] [collective.recipe.solrinstance] Example not working

2011-10-17 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

I used the single-core example for the solrinstance recipe:

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.recipe.solrinstance/3.5#examples-single-solr

Trying to access localhost:1234/solr/admin

gives me

HTTP ERROR 404

Problem accessing /solr/admin/index.jsp. Reason:

missing core name in path
Powered by Jetty://

Anything I am missing here or is the example or the recipe broken?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Missing Zope2 tarballs

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Jung
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I can confirm this:

http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.10.13/Zope-2.10.13-final.tgz

does not work.

Is this due because old.zope.org is now a static site?

Andreas

Alex Clark wrote:
 Hi,
 
 
 Anyone notice these missing tarballs?
 
 
 - http://old.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.9.12/Zope-2.9.12-final.tgz/ -
 http://old.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.10.13/Zope-2.10.13-final.tgz/ -
 http://old.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.11.4/Zope-2.11.4-final.tgz/
 
 
 
 (sorry for the redundant post, I posted this on plone-dev a bit
 earlier…)
 
 
 
 Alex
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Zope-dev] Passing variable across pages

2011-09-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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Babylakshmi Muthusamy wrote:
 I tried by storing them in session variables. but the sessions get 
 expired quickly.


What means quickly? The timeout and the size of the session pool can
be configured. So what's the point?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Site error

2011-09-12 Thread Andreas Jung
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You were asking that already weeks ago.

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Babylakshmi Muthusamy wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have three web sites hosted in the same server with 4GB RAM and
 enough storage. The third web-site hosted recently requires high
 processing and heavy scripts are running. Basically one of the script
 communicates with 2 databases and fetches the results. The heavy
 script runs for 3 minutes. the CPU occupies 183% or more for that
 script. Until it complete the script the web-site goes down with
 proxy error, where httpd is running and zope is also running.  Only
 after restarting either zope or httpd, all the three sites are
 accessible. Could you please suggest me solutions to optimize the
 sites?
 
 Any pointers in this regard is highly appreciated.
 
 Thanks and Regards, Babylakshmi
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] Site error

2011-09-12 Thread Andreas Jung
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Try getting help from a local company in India

http://plone.org/support/providers/by-country/in

or google zope consultant india or so.

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Babylakshmi Muthusamy wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have three web sites hosted in the same server with 4GB RAM and
 enough storage. The third web-site hosted recently requires high
 processing and heavy scripts are running. Basically one of the script
 communicates with 2 databases and fetches the results. The heavy
 script runs for 3 minutes. the CPU occupies 183% or more for that
 script. Until it complete the script the web-site goes down with
 proxy error, where httpd is running and zope is also running.  Only
 after restarting either zope or httpd, all the three sites are
 accessible. Could you please suggest me solutions to optimize the
 sites?
 
 Any pointers in this regard is highly appreciated.
 
 Thanks and Regards, Babylakshmi
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] web sites are keep crashing

2011-08-25 Thread Andreas Jung
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Babylakshmi Muthusamy wrote:

 /usr/local/zope/ZoPe/lib/python/Products/PPD/Extensions/Fetch_Graph.py,

 
line 349, in Make_Graph
 Module PIL.Image, line 1717, in open IOError: [Errno 2] No such file
 or directory: '/usr/local/zope/PPD/architecture/domains/IL4.png' 
 

This is not a Zope issue but obviously a problem of your application
trying to load an image from the filesystem for processing through PIL.
I doubt that there is nothing we can do...your application, your code...
But I doubt that this error would cause a Zope shutdown or something
similar. Such errors are usually logged and the worker thread continues
to work with the next request. Such an error is not typical for a fatal
Zope server failure.

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Re: [Zope-dev] web sites are keep crashing

2011-08-24 Thread Andreas Jung
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The first thing is provide accurate information like information
from tracebacks, core dump files etc.

- -aj

Babylakshmi Muthusamy wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 We have hosted 3 websites in a single web server with 4GB RAM. All
 the three sites were built using zope. Almost every day the sites
 are crashing with 504-proxy error. The sites are up when i restart
 the httpd and zope.  Why this happens all the time? Your help on
 fixing this issue is greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks and regards, Babylakshmi
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] web sites are keep crashing

2011-08-24 Thread Andreas Jung
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Look at the event.log file (or however it is called on your
installation). In general find your 'log' folder first (sniff into
your zope.conf file to figure out the location).

- -aj

Babylakshmi Muthusamy wrote:
 Hi aj,
 
 Thanks for the immediate reply. I am a newbie for zope. I don't know 
 from where we can get those files. Could you please help me
 providing file paths?
 
 Thanks, Babylakshmi
 
 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com 
 mailto:li...@zopyx.com wrote:
 
 The first thing is provide accurate information like information from
 tracebacks, core dump files etc.
 
 -aj
 
 Babylakshmi Muthusamy wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 We have hosted 3 websites in a single web server with 4GB RAM. All 
 the three sites were built using zope. Almost every day the sites 
 are crashing with 504-proxy error. The sites are up when i restart 
 the httpd and zope.  Why this happens all the time? Your help on 
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 Thanks and regards, Babylakshmi
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] congrats on the new zope.org launch, but..

2011-07-11 Thread Andreas Jung



Martijn Faassen wrote:

Hi there,

Congrats on the relaunch of zope.org, I know it's been a hard slog!

But I brought up an item twice already and nothing appears to have been
done about it.


Sorry for not picking up your valuable input earlier.


According to zope.org Gork is more like ZPT than it is
like BlueBream. Griok is more like CMF than it is like BlueBream. This
is because Grok is listed under the grab-bag framework category.


I partly agree with you - I think Grok can be considered both as an 
application server and as a framework. I would not object to move Grok
to the app server section if you want it. The problem is more that 
grab-bag framework.  The ZCA is to be honest not a framework but a 
concept and ZPT is a part of the ZTK and all other frameworks.




I also mention that 'Application Servers' may not be the best heading
for the category which could contain Zope and BlueBream and Grok. Zope's
an application server, the other two are called web framework


I won't start a new philosophical discussion about differences between 
application servers and web-frameworks - any better naming suggestion 
for a category holding Zope, Bluebream and Grok?


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Re: [Zope-dev] www.zope.org relaunched

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Jung
Sorry, it will remain that way...we're happy accepting patches for the 
theme...it's on Github.


-aj

Cykooz wrote:

Ohhh, my eyes!!!
Please, replace image in the teaser (
http://www.zope.org/teasers/the-world-of-zope/image_0_overfull ), on
normal HTML code with text as text. Sorry, but otherwise it's a full
shit.

PS: Thanks to all who did this work.

2011/7/7 Andreas Jungli...@zopyx.com:

Dear Zope Community,

on behalf of the Zope Foundation I please to announce
the relaunch of the new www.zope.org web site.

http://www.zope.org

The old zope.org site will available for the time being
in (reduced form) under

http://old.zope.org

Many thanks to my team:

- Kai Mertens
- Michael Haubenwaller
- Jens Vagelpohl
- Johannes Raggam

Andreas Jung
Zope Foundation

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Re: [Zope-dev] www.zope.org relaunched

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Jung

Both content and Skins are on Githubdo something...otherwise
it will remain that way. Sorry not time for UI discussions right now.

-aj

Cykooz wrote:

This is image not placed in skin. It is content of site and patch for
skin will change nothing.

2011/7/7 Andreas Jungli...@zopyx.com:

Sorry, it will remain that way...we're happy accepting patches for the
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Re: [Zope-dev] www.zope.org relaunched

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Jung



Sylvain Viollon wrote:


   Great !

   However if I click on any links on the site, my URL changes to
   http://beta.zope.org/.



Just fixed.

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Re: [Zope-dev] direction

2011-07-05 Thread Andreas Jung



Martijn Pieters wrote:

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:41, Hanno Schlichtingha...@hannosch.eu  wrote:

Ok, seems 4.0 is the more popular choice.


I don't agree. Let's go with Fibonacci and call the next release Zope
8, as the logical extension of the series 1, 2, 3, and 5!


How about

ZopeNG?

Waiting-for-some-beating,
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[Zope-dev] www.zope.org relaunch on Thursday

2011-07-04 Thread Andreas Jung

Hi there,

www.zope.org will be relaunched this Thursday.

The current www.zope.org will be moved old.zope.org
and replaced with the new site.

During the DNS transition and while working on the sites
you may encounter outages.

The transition will start on Thursday (Germany) morning.

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Re: [Zope-dev] versions on zope.org and launchpad.net

2011-06-29 Thread Andreas Jung
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Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

 I kept wondering why Launchpad even came up for Zope2 download
 resources. I don't recall a discussion where that was decided. PyPI and
 zope.org are still the canonical locations.

Actually PyPI is the only canonical location for the eggified releases
of Zope2.

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Re: [Zope-dev] http://wiki.zope.org readonly?

2011-05-19 Thread Andreas Jung
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Dear all,

edit spam across the wiki.zope.org wikis, gradually increasing over
the years, has reached multiple incidents per day, multiple days per
month. Current cleanup procedures take too much time (and are not 100%
thorough - spam remains in history) and I don't want to spend time
developing cleverer defenses. Therefore, from today making changes on
any of the wiki.zope.org wikis requires authentication (a zwiki
username cookie is no longer enough.)

This marks the transition of our wikis from those early, lowest-
possible-barrier-to-entry wiki days, to the modern era of mandatory
access control. :-/

Since there is no member management software in place to allow you to
self-register, to get a login you'll need to either

- - ask an admin to make one for you. The current wiki.zope.org admin
users are: Simon Michael, Andreas Jung, Baiju Muthukadan, Sascha
Welter, Michael Haubenwallner, Fred Drake, Jim Fulton, Ken Manheimer,
Kevin Teague.

- - use this generic login: zope, zope. The downside of using this a lot
is that edit history will become less useful.

Also, on wikis using the default skin (all but the zope3 wiki), to
trigger a login prompt you'll need to manually visit some restricted
url. Eg append /editform to any page, like so:
http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/Zope2Wiki/editform

I hope this will stop the spam, and not inconvenience editors too
much. Please let me know if you have authenticated and still can't edit.

If you are interested in improving this setup, doing any other
maintenance of the zope wikis, or taking over as zope wiki czar -
please step forward! I'd be happy to mentor and provide all needed
support.

Best,
- -Simon


Michael Howitz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 it seems that http://wiki.zope.org was set to readonly as there are no more 
 edit links (or they require basic authentication).
 
 Anyone here who is able to fix this to get the wiki back to r/w again?
 
 
 Yours sincerely,


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Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)

2011-05-13 Thread Andreas Jung
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Michael Haubenwallner wrote:
 On Friday, May 13, 2011 12:12:38 PM UTC+2, Charlie Clark wrote:
 
 Am 10.05.2011, 06:55 Uhr, schrieb Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com:
 
  Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_.
 
 Hi Andreas,
 
 along with others I'd like to thank you and the team for taking the
 time  
 to do this. The new site has a clear message and looks good - not
 sure if  
 the Zope logo should be repeated three times on the front page
 (surely the  
 word mark should not be part of The World of Zope) and there are
 some  
 spelling issues dekade should normally be spelt with a c; Python
 can  
 either be capitalised or written in quotes but not both...
 
 
 Thank you, typo fixed. We will replace the image with a better
 resolution and remove the quotes around Python.
  
 
 One thing that I think is missing on the resource page is a Products  
 overview - PyPI isn't really suitable for someone wanting to see
 whether  
 Zope (2) is suitable for them and despite what we now think about
 how to  
 extend Zope, the Products do provide off-the shelf solutions for many  
 situations; something that as developers we easily overlook. Something  
 like the Plone directory, probably implemented as part of
 zope2.zope.org http://zope2.zope.org,  
 but visible in the resources section. I suspect this means some kind
 of QS  
 is required as only too many Products will no longer work with current  
 versions of Zope and the onus must be with the Product author or  
 maintainer.
 
 
 A products overview could be added, but would need a commitment to
 creation and maintenance of content.

Agreed - this is something we could address later but it needs
volunteers and especially commitment - something I am missing sometimes.

Andreas

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Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)

2011-05-11 Thread Andreas Jung
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Chris Withers wrote:
 On 11/05/2011 06:52, Andreas Jung wrote:
 How do existing Zope contributors help out?

 Please make your notes. We will pick them up and incorporate
 for the final version. Further changes should be made by the webmaster
 which is currently Michael Haubenwaller.
 
 This sounds a lot like we don't want your help, kindly go away.
 (Where your is existing Zope contibutors)
 

Please take a cup of coffee and relax.

I brought the project with the mentioned people to the current state
and I will finish the project with the same people. I am currently
no interested in further controversial discussions about the process
how to contribute to the final site. As said: feedback on the list
or through private mail to me or Michael is welcome but that's it for
now. Too many people involved in the core team of such a project is the
death of a project (see the old approach zope.org and the panties icon
discussions).

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Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)

2011-05-10 Thread Andreas Jung
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Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote:
 Hi Andreas,
 
 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 06:55, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 I am happy to announce that we have made progress
 with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public
 version of the new site is now available under
 
 http://beta.zope.org
 
 Very nice work.
 
 I would just like to give a small suggestion, which is to have 301
 HTTP redirects from some non conflicting URL spaces on www.zope.org to
 old.zope.org, so that we don't lose search engine indexing and ranking
 of the old pages. Ex: the members area:
 
 www.zope.org/Members/itamar/CorruptedZODB -
 old.zope.org/Members/itamar/CorruptedZODB
 
 This should be very easy to achieve with a small number of Redirect
 Apache directives specifying permanent redirections.

This is planned.

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Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)

2011-05-10 Thread Andreas Jung
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William Heymann wrote:
 On Monday 09 May 2011, Andreas Jung wrote:
 Hi there,

 I am happy to announce that we have made progress
 with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public
 version of the new site is now available under

 http://beta.zope.org
 
 Some technical things I have noted for the site that would increase the site 
 speed.
 
 The server does not seem to currently be gzipping the content this makes the 
 page FAR larger then it should be. This is usually a trivial change on most 
 webservers.
 
 Many of the resources like the javascript look like they have a unique key, 
 if 
 that is the case the expiration time and the cache-control maxage should be 
 set WAY out in the future. When set far out in the future the browser will 
 not 
 even make a connection to see if the content has changed. 
 
 If possible the images used in the css at least should also get some kind of 
 versioned urls so they can also be cached indefinitely and just change the 
 urls when the data changes.
 
 The page would also be faster and lower load if some of those stylesheets 
 could be combined.
 
 You can get this information using yslow for firefox.
 
 Mostly I just want the site to run faster for new and returning users since 
 the old site can be pretty slow at times and most of the changes should be 
 fairly minor.

The current setup is a default Plone installation. All page loads take
less than 0.5 seconds for me and the default caching seems to work fine
for me. But there is room for improvements...nothing I care about much
at the current state.

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Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)

2011-05-10 Thread Andreas Jung
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Chris Withers wrote:
 On 10/05/2011 22:31, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
 ...but this name doesn't resolve for me, does it for other people?
 The link is incorrect. It should point to www.zodb.org.
 
 Where would I got to fix it?

This is our task.

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Re: [Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)

2011-05-10 Thread Andreas Jung
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Chris Withers wrote:
 On 11/05/2011 06:45, Andreas Jung wrote:
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 Chris Withers wrote:
 On 10/05/2011 22:31, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
 ...but this name doesn't resolve for me, does it for other people?
 The link is incorrect. It should point to www.zodb.org.

 Where would I got to fix it?

 This is our task.
 
 That sounds like a very closed answer :-(
 
 Where's the site in svn?

The buildout is in SVN, some other packages are still on Github.

 How do existing Zope contributors help out?

Please make your notes. We will pick them up and incorporate
for the final version. Further changes should be made by the webmaster
which is currently Michael Haubenwaller.

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[Zope-dev] beta.zope.org (www.zope.org relaunch project)

2011-05-09 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

I am happy to announce that we have made progress
with the zope.org relaunch project. The first public
version of the new site is now available under

http://beta.zope.org

The basic idea behind the project is:

 - a minimalistic www.zope.org site giving a short
   overview about what Zope is - including all
   related app servers, CMSes, frameworks etc.
   which links to the related project sites (micro-site
   approach)

 - no more member contents on www.zope.org

 - the current www.zope.org will be stripped down
   to the current member contents and stuff that
   has to be preserved. www.zope.org will be
   renamed to old.zope.org later

Constructive criticism and feedback is welcome _now_.

I hope that we can fix the outstanding issues and integrate
further feedback over the next few week in order to roll
out the new site in the first half of June (2011 of course).

Many thanks to my team (doing the real work):

- - Michael Haubenwaller
- - Kai Mertens
- - Johannes Raggam

Andreas Jung
Zope Foundation

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Re: [Zope-dev] Plain-text passwords in your ZODB

2010-12-16 Thread Andreas Jung
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Marius Gedminas wrote:
 So, did you know that by default Zope stores a copy of every user's
 username and password in your ZODB, in plain text, on every login that
 uses forms and sessions (rather than HTTP basic auth)?

By Zope you mean Zope 3, ZTK, Bluebream ...?

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Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: Zope/branches/2.13/ fix `LazyMap` to avoid unnecessary function calls when not accessing items in order (fixes http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9018)

2010-12-15 Thread Andreas Zeidler
hi tres,

On 14.12.2010, at 18:11, Tres Seaver wrote:
 On 12/14/2010 09:12 AM, Andreas Zeidler wrote:
 Modified: Zope/branches/2.13/src/Products/ZCatalog/Lazy.py
 ===
 --- Zope/branches/2.13/src/Products/ZCatalog/Lazy.py 2010-12-14 13:24:24 UTC 
 (rev 118862)
 +++ Zope/branches/2.13/src/Products/ZCatalog/Lazy.py 2010-12-14 14:12:11 UTC 
 (rev 118863)
 @@ -145,44 +145,28 @@
# Don't access data until necessary
 
def __init__(self, func, seq, length=None):
 -self._seq = seq
 -self._data = []
 -self._func = func
 +self._seq=seq
 +self._func=func
if length is not None:
 -self._len = length
 +self._len=length
 
 Please don't un-PEP8 a cleaned-up module:  leave spaces around
 operators.  If that was unintentional (maybe you pasted from a copy of a
 file made before the module was cleaned up?), then you still need to
 review the diff and edit out unintended changes first.

yes, in was indeed unintentional, or rather unfortunate.  i've originally 
worked on the 2.12 branch (in a plone 4 buildout) where i think hanno's 
pep8-related changes haven't been applied/back-ported yet.  after that i pasted 
the version into 2.13 (and yes, the commit order was the other way round :)) 
and was in fact wondering about the longer diff when hanno (who was actually 
sitting next to me) pointed out he had changed the one-line if: and else: 
expressions on that branch.  however, my alias for svn diff tells diff to not 
show white space changes so i missed the now again removed spaces around the =.

anyway, it's fixed in c118895.

else:
self._len = len(seq)
 +self._marker = object()
 +self._data = [self._marker] * self._len
 
 Have you measured the impact of pre-allocating here for very large
 sequences?

i had not, but have now.  turns out the allocation makes a difference earlier 
than i would have expected:  accessing the first 20 items of the map is slower 
with the new version starting at sequences of a little more than 2000 items.  
and of course it (relatively) gets slower the longer the sequence is.  setting 
up a 10^5 empty sequence takes about 0.5 ms on my machine.

 I'm *sure* that is a not a good trade-off for all cases:  the catalog is
 often used for queries which return result sets in the order of 10^5 or
 more objects, and *very* rarely is it accessed randomly (I had never
 seen it before reading the bug entry you cite).  The normal case is to
 take the first few entries (batch_size * batch_number) from the huge set.

true, but the fix wasn't only about this use-case.  it's mainly about avoiding 
extra function calls when fetching a batch other than the first.  so far the 
map function wall called for every item up to the one accessed, e.g. for the 
5th batch of 20 items each, you'd end up with 80 unnecessary (and possible 
expensive) calls.  or iow, the old version wasn't really as lazy as it should 
have been… :)

 I think you would be better off finding a way to inject your style of
 LazyMap into the catalog for the random-access case, e.g., by passing
 '_lazy_map' into the methods you are using.

i disagree.  i think it should be fixed properly upstream.  we should really 
avoid all that monkey-patching all over the place.  but see below…

 BTW, another interesting alternative impplementation might be to use a
 dictionary instead of a list for 'data'.  You could then avoid any
 pre-allocation at all.

with the benchmark in place, i was curious and tried that as well:  it beats 
the other versions independently of the sequence length and the number of 
accessed items, both sequentially and repeatedly over a single batch.  in the 
benchmark they're accessed from the start, but skipping a few batches would 
make it even faster anyway.  hence i've updated the code again in c118896.  
please let me know what you think, or if you want the test script i've been 
using.

 While we're at it, the 'try: ... except:'  here is wasteful and slow.
 Lazy objects aren't persistent, and the '_seq' attribute is added
 unconditionally in '__init__'.

you're right, this should be cleaned up as well.  but since this isn't my 
code i was trying to keep the diff minimal (like on 2.12, i.e. in c118864, it 
obviously didn't work in the other one :)).  in any case, it's also gone with 
c118896.

cheers,


andi

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.13.0 final released

2010-11-05 Thread Andreas Jung
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Great work!

Cheers,
Andreas

Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 On behalf of the Zope 2 developers community I am pleased to announce
 the official release of Zope 2.13.0.
 
 Major changes:
 
 - Supports Python 2.6 and 2.7
 - Includes ZODB 3.10 - which adds multi-threading to the ZEO server
 - Contains WSGI support
 - Ships with the Zope Toolkit 1.0
 - A number of performance improvements in ZCatalog
 - lots of other smaller fixes and features
 
 For more details, check: 
 http://docs.zope.org/zope2/releases/2.13/WHATSNEW.html
 Release notes: http://docs.zope.org/zope2/releases/2.13/CHANGES.html
 
 If you have found a bug, please report it on Launchpad:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/
 
 I would like to thank all people having contributed to this release.
 Special thanks to Tres Seaver for bringing WSGI support to Zope 2,
 Jens Vagelpohl for his tireless bug-fixing efforts and Yvo Schubbe for
 testing the pre-releases against CMF and helping out with bug fixes
 and some new features.
 
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[Zope-dev] ZODB replication and high-availability across data centers

2010-10-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

we are currently investigating options for a large-scale solution
where the machines (ZEO clients and ZEO server) should be separated
across two data centers. Incoming traffic should be balanced between
both data centers. Automatic failover and online-replication are
desirable - high-performance is a must.

The well-known options are:

ZRS
(ZEO)
Relstorage on top of some RDBMS-related clustering/replication mechanism
NEO
DRDB
ZEORaid

Has anyone worked on such a setup or may share some experiences -
especially by using one of the options above across data-centers
(with a limited bandwidth inbetween and a higher latency compared to LAN).

Andreas

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Re: [Zope-dev] ZODB replication and high-availability across data centers

2010-10-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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sorry, wrong list :

Andreas Jung wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 we are currently investigating options for a large-scale solution
 where the machines (ZEO clients and ZEO server) should be separated
 across two data centers. Incoming traffic should be balanced between
 both data centers. Automatic failover and online-replication are
 desirable - high-performance is a must.
 
 The well-known options are:
 
 ZRS
 (ZEO)
 Relstorage on top of some RDBMS-related clustering/replication mechanism
 NEO
 DRDB
 ZEORaid
 
 Has anyone worked on such a setup or may share some experiences -
 especially by using one of the options above across data-centers
 (with a limited bandwidth inbetween and a higher latency compared to LAN).
 
 Andreas
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] Another weird unicode error from Zope 2

2010-10-13 Thread Andreas Jung
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Chris Withers wrote:
 On 12/10/2010 16:00, Charlie Clark wrote:
 Traceback (most recent call last):
 File stdin, line 1, inmodule
 UnicodeEncodeError: 'latin-1' codec can't encode character u'\u203a' in
 position 0: ordinal not in range(256)

 ISO-8859-15 is, of course, Latin-1 + the €
 
 Yes, but I don't see why that is being used...

I assume you are familar with pdb in order to figure it out.

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Re: [Zope-dev] zc.buildout/buildout.org down - disaster

2010-10-12 Thread Andreas Jung
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Sebastien Douche wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:50, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 Hi Andreas !
 
 Second: how to fix this finally?
 
 I know it's not you want hear but build an internal infrastructure
 was a great improvement for us. Here, all is internal (debian mirror,
 zope mirror, pypi mirror, internal pypi...) and we don't care if a
 server is down. For me, the right solution is to make easier internal
 server (btw thanks the new bootstrap)


sorry - wrong answer. This is a stupid misbehavior of setuptools
or zc.buildout. The zc.buildout package are hosted on PyPI and PyPI
was available. There is no reason for whatever component
to connect to buildout.org and fail without taking PyPI into account.

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Re: [Zope-dev] zc.buildout/buildout.org down - disaster

2010-10-12 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote:
 sorry - wrong answer. This is a stupid misbehavior of setuptools
 or zc.buildout. The zc.buildout package are hosted on PyPI and PyPI
 was available. There is no reason for whatever component
 to connect to buildout.org and fail without taking PyPI into account.
 
 Are you sure you used the latest distribute release? I hadn't had any
 problem at all during that whole time.

This was a Plone 4.0.1 buildout so I guess it was 0.6.14
(can't check right now). Also numerous people complained
on IRC having the same problem (at least related to Plone 4
buildouts - not sure about problems with Plone 3 buildouts)


 It sounds like 0.6.13 should help here which includes:

 
 Which was the merge of jarn.setuptoolsfixer into the distribute
 codebase. That package is obsolete for more than a year now.

Well - obviously there is likely still something wrong
(in Distribute).

But waitthis problem persisted even after releasing
zc.buildout 1.5.2 (with 'url' pointing to pypi.python.org).
So there must be something else.

Wild guess:

pypi.python.org/simple/zc.buildout

contains a file

1.5.0 home_page

file pointing to buildout.org

Perhaps there is some unhandled edgecase in Distribute?
No idea - I don#t have much insight in setuptools/Distribute.

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[Zope-dev] zc.buildout/buildout.org down - disaster

2010-10-11 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

buildout.org is currently down and any existing buildout
is trying to phone home to buildout.org (likely because
buildout.org is configured in the package metadata as 'url').

Even releasing zc.buildout 1.5.2 with 'url' set to
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout does not work as a workaround.

First: is it setuptools or buildout ignoring the new 'url'?

Second: how to fix this finally?

There is jarn.setuptoolsfixer claiming to resolve exactly
this issue but it does not seem to have any effect (at least
not in combination with buildout).

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[Zope-dev] buildout.org down/setuptools going mad

2010-10-11 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

since buildout.org is down right now (at least since the weekend)
and since the stupid setuptools is trying blindly to contact
buildout.org (because of the 'url' metadata) I uploaded
zc.buildout==1.5.2 with a changed 'url' metadata (pointing to PyPI)
as a temporary workaround.

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Re: [Zope-dev] encoding ignored for PageTemplate file uploads

2010-10-02 Thread Andreas Jung
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Chris Withers wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 Unless I'm missing something, the encoding text field that forms part of 
 the file upload form on page template instances is completely ignored 
 since it's not used in the pt_upload method of ZopePageTemplate instances.
 
 Am I missing anything?

No - this parameter is ignored.

The code in pt_edit assumes for text/html-ish content that the encoding
is either iso-8859-15 as default or provided by the HTML content through
the html-equiv mechanism.

Either we treat the encoding field in the upload form as culprit
and remove it or it could be used as dedicated encoding for text/html
templates not providing an encoding specification themselves.

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Re: [Zope-dev] IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver moronosity

2010-09-22 Thread Andreas Jung
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Chris Withers wrote:
 On 22/09/2010 03:50, Andreas Jung wrote:
 I also strongly object such a change in the default behavior.
 
 I'm sorry, but WHAT?
 
 I did a
 lot of testing of the current implementation and configuration with
 various browsers and Zope applications and add-ons in order to make the
 Zope 3 ZPT engine in Zope 2 work out-of-the-box for most applications.
 
 Er, you can't be serious...
 
 The idea of asking the user agent what encoding is used to encode data
 in the database is like telling an obese person they can have their foot
 amputated in order to lose weight.
 
 A less insane version of that default would be:
 
 class BasicEncodingConflictResolver(object):
   implements(IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver)
 
   def resolve(self, context, text, expression):
   logging.warn('You should register an '
'IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver that matches '
'your content')
   encodings = ['utf-8','latin-1']
   mpc =  getattr(context,'management_page_charset',None)
   if mpc:
   encodings.insert(0,mpc)
   for enc in encodings:
   try:
   return unicode(text,enc)
   except UnicodeDecorError:
   pass
   return unicode(text,sys.getdefaultencoding(),'replace')
 
 
 However with the given constraints there will be always applications or
 bad written code
 
 PreferredCharsetResolver *is* bad code.
 
 I'll say it again, 'cos the message doesn't seem to be getting through:
 
 What on earth do the character sets accepted by the browser have to do
 with the python string encoding used in the data on the server, which up
 until that request, most likely has never been anywhere near that
 browser before?!
 
 resolver. That's why it is pluggable.
 
 Yes, and well documented and advertised too... not!
 
 existing resolver smarter and more efficient: +1 for tuning the
 implementation but the proposed solution above does not solve anything
 and will break a bunch of apps.
 
 bull crap.
 
 Chris

Please calm down - I am not up to reply to a posting written in a tone
that is even far beyond my personal style when ranting on other peoples
crap.

As said: the discussion is documented in some Launchpad ticket.


If you think it is crap then I cam happy to accept that (and I don't
mind much because Zope 2 is not my radar right now). You are committer
and you can fix my crap. Blame me for having written this crap but you
could also blame me for having on this whole Zope 3 ZPT engine
integration :-)

Cheers,
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Re: [Zope-dev] IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver moronosity

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Chris Withers wrote:
 On 21/09/2010 21:18, Andreas Jung wrote:
 I can not recall all details but at the time of the integration of the
 Zope 3 ZPT engine the unicode resolver approach was the best thinkable
 solution for dealing all possible edgecase where encoding issues may pop
 *for the sake of backwards compatibility*
 
 ...where it miserably failed. The projects I've hit this on have all 
 been running flawlessly on Zope 2.1(ish) through to Zope 2.9.
 Zope 2.11 onwards, in my experience, phail, spectacularly...

Sorry, not my problem!

The Zope 3 ZPT engine together with the resolver is now available for at
least two or three yearswe had a *very long* beta phase for the ZPT
integration..have you tested? Obviously no...blaming me for doing a lot
of testing while having seen zero contributions in terms of code and
testing in this particular case is laughable.  Such allegations were one
of the reasons for quitting as Zope 2 release manager. If the release
manager is the idiot doing the dirty work and taking the beating from
people not contributing to the project that I was happy being the Zope 2
idiot for years but I am no longer interested dealing with a minority of
people knowing better and constantly playing the niggler.

Andreas

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Re: [Zope-dev] IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver moronosity

2010-09-22 Thread Andreas Jung
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Chris Withers wrote:
 On 22/09/2010 09:58, Andreas Jung wrote:
 If you think it is crap then I cam happy to accept that (and I don't
 mind much because Zope 2 is not my radar right now). You are committer
 and you can fix my crap. Blame me for having written this crap but you
 could also blame me for having on this whole Zope 3 ZPT engine
 integration :-)
 
 Can you please answer me one thing though: in what way could it ever be
 a good idea to consult the browser's list of acceptable character sets
 to decide how to decode python strings into python unicode objects in a
 database that the browser has never had anything to do with?

Check with Launchpad - neither I can remember the details nor am I
interested right now thinking about. There were reasons *and* real-world
tests with browsers obviously required that. As said:
the encoding handling is a game you can only lose inside Zope 2.

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Re: [Zope-dev] IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver moronosity

2010-09-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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First, cool down for a moment.

Second, I discussed all those issues with my special friend in some
Launchpad ticket years ago (+ a huge amount of private discussions).
I can not recall all details but at the time of the integration of the
Zope 3 ZPT engine the unicode resolver approach was the best thinkable
solution for dealing all possible edgecase where encoding issues may pop
*for the sake of backwards compatibility* and with all possible
combinations where encodings have to be considered (including stuff like
the management_page_charset property). The implementation is
now working for years - so it can't be that bad. If you have a better
implementation you should be able to override the utility or to fix
the code directly.

I won't comment after years on the details below (check Launchpad for
the related ticket).

Andreas



Chris Withers wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 It's been a a while since I had a good rant on a Zope list, but this
 really takes the biscuit.
 
 Andreas, what on *earth* were you thinking with PreferredCharsetResolver?!
 
 I like the idea of IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver, but
 PreferredCharsetResolver is in the realms of totally batshit crazy.
 
 Why? well, because what *on earth* have the character sets accepted by
 the user agent got to do with how strings are encoded in *my database*?!
 
 Nevermind the logic holes of the following:
 
 - reverting to management_page_charset *only* if there's no REQUEST
 (there's always a REQUEST, this is Zope 2, the world collapses if there
 isn't!)
 
 - returning the original text if the bizarre dance fails, violating the
 contract of IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver to *return unicode*
 
 How about the *insane performance overhead* of doing two utility lookups
 *and* iterating over a load of encodings trying to find one that works
 for *every single string substituition* done by a ZPT?!
 
 Why has no-one noticed this? Well, my guess is because when browsers are
 explicitly supplying headers, as quite a few do (IE and Safari excepted,
 who are legitimately going we can handle anything you can throw at
 us), this moronic piece of code happily loops through them all, and no
 doubt gets a hit on either utf-8 or latin-1, or, if you're really lucky,
 ascii.
 
 To boot, when things go wrong, nobody suspects this miserable little
 turd because it's hides itself nicely by just returning the original
 text, leaving the bemused reader to wonder why some UA's fail and some
 succeed, pointing the finger in totally the wrong direction (hence
 Charlie's hacked up getPreferredCharsets and poor Vlad's desperate
 attempts).
 
 Thankfully, I guess I can register an override that doesn't bark at the
 moon and froth at the mouth... Here, have an invoice for the hours of my
 life you've needlessly wasted...
 
 Farq,
 
 Chris ;-)
 


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Re: [Zope-dev] IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver moronosity

2010-09-21 Thread Andreas Jung
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Marius Gedminas wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 07:39:46PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
 So, would anyone object if I change the default, on both trunk and the 
 2.12 branch to some variant of:

 class BasicEncodingConflictResolver(object):
   implements(IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver)

   def resolve(self, context, text, expression):
   logging.warn('You should register an '
'IUnicodeEncodingConflictResolver that matches '
'your content')
   return text.decode('ascii','replace')

 ...and delete that devil spawn turd that is PreferredCharsetResolver?
 
 If this means Zope2-the-application becomes unusable out of the box if
 you've non-ASCII data in your database, then I'm -1.
 


I also strongly object such a change in the default behavior. I did a
lot of testing of the current implementation and configuration with
various browsers and Zope applications and add-ons in order to make the
Zope 3 ZPT engine in Zope 2 work out-of-the-box for most applications.
However with the given constraints there will be always applications or
bad written code or specific requirements were you need to change the
resolver. That's why it is pluggable. There is is room for making the
existing resolver smarter and more efficient: +1 for tuning the
implementation but the proposed solution above does not solve anything
and will break a bunch of apps.

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Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK TTW Content Types Project Wiki

2010-09-08 Thread Andreas Jung
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Martin Aspeli wrote:
 
 Don't be too harsh on Grok/Dexterity. Dexterity has worked out how
 not to
 repeat the definitions in interfaces, forms and content objects. It also
 produces an application with suprisingly little redundant code. I
 urge you
 to try it out. The benefits are of course quick turn around, version
 control, testability and the debugger.
 
 Also note that (the Plone integration for) Dexterity allows you to
 create types entirely through-the-web. This can then be meaningfully
 transitioned to filesystem development without forcing you to start from
 scratch.
  
 The big, big problem with any kind of TTW development is that it usually
 breaks down badly when you move your code to a production server and
 then need to continue development in a separate environment. Code and
 configuration stored in a database is difficult to deploy and merge when
 the same database holds live data and content. The same problem exists
 where more than one developer needs to collaborate. Without source files
 and source control, it's impossible to give each developer their own
 sandbox.

We have this discussion in slighty various forms with Christopher every
other year...I think it does not help much repeating the same arguments
each year again...kind of hopeless if you ask me *shrug*

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Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK TTW Content Types Project Wiki

2010-09-06 Thread Andreas Jung
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Plone + Dexterity gives you exactly what you want
Plone + GenericPloneContent gives you exactly what you want

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Christopher Lozinski wrote:
  So I am starting a project to build content types through the web using
 the ZTK. 
 
 Here is the url.
 
 http://specialtyjobmarkets.com/Wikis/LozinskiClasses/FrontPage
 
 Thank you for the recent feedback.   It is nice to know that people
 care.  I have added a section reviewing the competing technologies, and
 why they are not right for my needs.   I have laid out the technical
 proposal, a bit high level, I need to make it more specific.  For
 example I need to add what is the interface that is needed by Factory
 objects.   The great thing about ZTK is that somewhere that is documented. 
 
 I have added a section on my software philosophies.  I am sure that it
 will drive some people nuts, but others will agree with it.  Allow me to
 have my point of view.  I also respect your point of view. 
 
 I do get a bunch of people who say I am nuts.  So positive feedback
 would be most appreciated.
 
 And of courses it is an anonymous wiki. I am using the ZWiki software.  
 You are invited to add your comments.  I have no idea what you will say,
 but I am sure it is useful. 
 
 Regards
 Chris
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3 Newbie Feedback

2010-09-05 Thread Andreas Jung
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hm...yet another try getting out of your ZClass-based legacy apps?

Why don't you look at something easier like Grok or repoze.bfg
for writing your stuff...or choose an existing CMS solution like LFC
(also based on Python but Django).

I am always under the impression that you are trying to use a complex
technology without being interested or capable to diving into the depth
of the framework.

- -aj

Christopher Lozinski wrote:
  First of all my compliments to all of the people who put in enormous
 amounts of work first figuring out how to build Zope 3, and then
 building it.  I am most grateful  I hope that these comments help you
 better understand your market.
 
 I should say that I have been using Zope 2 since 1999 and watching Zope
 3 for the longest time.  I just could not get it.  Python is cool, but
 interfaces, adaptors, zcml etc just made my eyes glaze over.  I now
 understand why all that was necessary, but it was off putting.  I
 finally have an app I need to write, but the complexity quite delayed my
 working with Zope 3.  What is needed is a simple model to get people
 hooked. 
 
 So how to make Blue Bream easier to use?   I propose making the initial
 start up interface a simple content management system, kind of a Plone
 light.  We all know there is way too much stuff under the hood of
 Plone.  It slows software evolution.  In contrast I know that Zope 3 is
 easy to evolve, just getting started is hard.  So everyone starts in
 Plone, but never migrates to Zope 3.   So a simple content management
 system out of the box would make it very easy to get started in Blue
 Bream.  Then users could grow into the system. 
 
 I know Plone just had a new release . I am not sure what all is in it,
 but it would be great if Zope 3 on startup looked just like Plone, as
 far as possible.  Right out of the box allow users to register
 themselves, and add in the stock content types.  Calendar item, news
 item, things like that, not the developer centric ZPT and DTML file. 
 Also allow the developer stuff, but under a different branch of a
 hierarchical menu system.Maybe only people with a developer or
 manager permission see those kinds of items.
 
 There are three parts to a simple content management system.   First,  a
 way to generate new content types, and second some dtml or page
 templates to display them.  Finally some examples would also be useful.
 
 So the critical thing I need is a way to put up custom content types
 using a web interface to build the schema.  Maybe I could even add a few
 python scripts.  And click on some options that usually go in an zcml
 file.  That would make it super fast to put up a custom content type.  
 That would make for a very easy entry for someone like myself into
 building a new BlueBream application.
 
 Then I need to add some DTML or page templates to display those content
 types.  I can already do that right through the web. 
 
 Finally a few existing content types like calendar item, link, and
 article would provide for great examples if anyone wanted to modify or
 copy them.  They could be implemented through the web as examples or
 base classes to be inherited or modified.
 
 That would be an awesome demo.  A real simple way to get started in Zope
 3.  A simple abstraction that would make it accessible to those stupider
 developers like myself.   And everyone else out there.  Once hooked,
 over time we could dig deeper.
 
 That is all I want.  A simple content management system out of the box,
 make it easy to add my own content type.  Sure the serious hackers can
 throw all that out, but for the average end user/developer, that would
 be a hugely tempting improvement over using Plone.   If I can add a few
 dtml pages to display my content, it would all be very easy to get
 started.  Later I could export to the file system, and svn.
 
 But that is not what I currently get.   Instead, in my case, we will go
 with the system admin manually adding users for a while.  And I have to
 learn how to write an interface file, which is way way more difficult
 than just using a web form to define one.  The web form, lays out my
 choices, and only allows for legal schema definitions.  Much better. 
 
 Okay, so much for my wish list.  Here are some more specific comments.
 
 Thank you for providing the user interface.   Registration is quite
 confusing.  First I create something, then I have to register it. 
 Hello, if I created it, then just go ahead and register it for me.  Take
 a ZPT page.  I am a zope 2 developer.  I know what that is.  Then they
 ask me to register it.  Took a while to figure out what that means.   I
 still have no idea what all those options for interfaces are.  If you
 have to have all those choices there, just label one default for me.  It
 can't be that hard.  Maybe register one by default, and provide the
 option to change it.  Make the page say clearly that something has been
 registered.   

[Zope-dev] zc.recipe.egg bug (tracker)?

2010-08-23 Thread Andreas Jung
zc.recipe.egg 1.3.0 fails badly with

While:
  Installing supervisor.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
line 1784, in main
getattr(buildout, command)(args)
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
line 569, in install
installed_files = self[part]._call(recipe.install)
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
line 1276, in _call
return f()
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/collective.recipe.supervisor-0.12-py2.6.egg/collective/recipe/supervisor/__init__.py,
line 202, in install
extra_eggs + \
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.recipe.egg-1.3.0-py2.6.egg/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py,
line 159, in install
if options.query_bool('dependent-scripts', 'false'):
AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'query_bool'

Not sure who is in charge and where the related bug tracker is!?

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Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.egg bug (tracker)?

2010-08-23 Thread Andreas Jung
Gary Poster wrote:
 On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
 
 zc.recipe.egg 1.3.0 fails badly with

 While:
  Installing supervisor.
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
 /Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
 line 1784, in main
getattr(buildout, command)(args)
  File
 /Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
 line 569, in install
installed_files = self[part]._call(recipe.install)
  File
 /Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
 line 1276, in _call
return f()
  File
 /Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/collective.recipe.supervisor-0.12-py2.6.egg/collective/recipe/supervisor/__init__.py,
 line 202, in install
extra_eggs + \
  File
 /Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.recipe.egg-1.3.0-py2.6.egg/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py,
 line 159, in install
if options.query_bool('dependent-scripts', 'false'):
 AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'query_bool'

 Not sure who is in charge and where the related bug tracker is!?
 
 zc.recipe.egg 1.3.0 requires zc.buildout 1.5.0 or higher, as it states it 
 setup.py.  Are you using zc.buildout 1.5.0? 

Using zc.buildout 1.5.0 here.

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Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.egg bug (tracker)?

2010-08-23 Thread Andreas Jung
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Gary Poster wrote:

 1.3.1 has change and is released.
 

On it's failing in a different way:

An internal error occurred due to a bug in either zc.buildout or in a
recipe being used:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
line 1784, in main
getattr(buildout, command)(args)
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
line 569, in install
installed_files = self[part]._call(recipe.install)
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.buildout-1.5.0-py2.6.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py,
line 1276, in _call
return f()
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/collective.recipe.supervisor-0.12-py2.6.egg/collective/recipe/supervisor/__init__.py,
line 202, in install
extra_eggs + \
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.recipe.egg-1.3.1-py2.6.egg/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py,
line 173, in install
return self._install(reqs, ws, scripts)
  File
/Users/ajung/sandboxes/occ/eggs/zc.recipe.egg-1.3.1-py2.6.egg/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py,
line 189, in _install
options['bin-directory'],
  File /opt/python-2.6/lib/python2.6/UserDict.py, line 22, in __getitem__
raise KeyError(key)
KeyError: 'bin-directory'


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Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/2.12/ - LP #143533: Instead of showing 0.0.0.0 as server name when no

2010-07-14 Thread Andreas Jung
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Wichert Akkerman wrote:

 I don't mind doing this for a SERVER_NAME in the response, but looking 
 at the diff from the commit email you also changed the startup message 
 from Zope 2 with this change. That is the bit I find problematic: I want 
 to be able to immediately see if the Zope instance is bound to a 
 specific IP address or ANY/0.0.0.0.

+1

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Re: [Zope-dev] ZODB Documentation Fundraising

2010-06-25 Thread Andreas Jung
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j...@nexedi.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 If you want a chapter on NEO (http://www.neoppod.org/) or book review, let us 
 know, we can write or help. NEO is probably the fastest and most scalable 
 storage for ZODB. We also have lots of benchmarks (we use ZODB for huge 
 transactional banking applications and for the largest CRM operation  in 
 Ireland).
 

Could you please post the benchmark results?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.13 - next steps

2010-06-13 Thread Andreas Jung
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Jonas Meurer wrote:

 
 thus i suggest to either provide monolithic tarballs which do contain
 the debendencies, or change release policy for the dependencies to not
 break backwards compability with every minor release.
 
 

I think this discussion pops up over and over again. I bring it back the
point: the native distribution packages for Zope  friends are usually
of interest for serious deployments. Our native deployment tool is
'buildout' as it is 'gem' for Ruby. Complete Python installations _by
default_ are more in the interest of the end-user than having to deal
with distribution specific problems that are not covered by the Zope 
Python community.

My 2 cents,
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Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testrunner 4.0.0b2 problem

2010-06-10 Thread Andreas Jung
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Could someone please remove this release or fix it?
This issue is breaking almost every existing Zope 2 buildout.

Andreas

Marius Gedminas wrote:
 Installing zope.testrunner on Python 2.4 fails due to a missing
 __init__.py in some test subpackage:
 
 Getting distribution for 'zope.testrunner'.
 package init file 'src/zope/testrunner/testrunner-ex/__init__.py' not 
 found (or not a regular file)
 error: Setup script exited with error: can't copy 
 'src/zope/testrunner/testrunner-ex-251759/eggs/foo.bar-1.2-py2.5.egg/foo/bar/__init__.py':
  doesn't exist or not a regular file
 An error occured when trying to install zope.testrunner 4.0.0b2. Look 
 above this message for any errors that were output by easy_install.
 While:
   Installing.
   Getting section test.
   Initializing section test.
   Installing recipe zc.recipe.testrunner.
   Getting distribution for 'zope.testrunner'.
 Error: Couldn't install: zope.testrunner 4.0.0b2
 
 Buildbot failures:
   
 http://zope3.pov.lt/buildbot/builders/py2.4-32bit-linux/builds/696/steps/buildout/logs/stdio
   
 http://zope3.pov.lt/buildbot/builders/py2.4-64bit-linux/builds/696/steps/buildout/logs/stdio
 
 On Python2.5 there's a warning but the installation succeeds:
 
   Getting distribution for 'zope.testrunner'.
   package init file 'src/zope/testrunner/testrunner-ex/__init__.py' not found 
 (or not a regular file)
   Creating missing __init__.py for zope.testrunner.testrunner-ex
   Got zope.testrunner 4.0.0b2.
 
 Buildbot log:
 
   
 http://zope3.pov.lt/buildbot/builders/py2.5-32bit-linux/builds/687/steps/buildout/logs/stdio
   
 http://zope3.pov.lt/buildbot/builders/py2.5-64bit-linux/builds/702/steps/buildout/logs/stdio
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testrunner 4.0.0b2 problem

2010-06-10 Thread Andreas Jung
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Stephan Richter wrote:
 On Thursday, June 10, 2010, Andreas Jung wrote:
 Could someone please remove this release or fix it?
 This issue is breaking almost every existing Zope 2 buildout.
 
 How can it? Are you not pinning the version of zc.recipe.testrunner and 
 zope.testing?

No idea (and I did not investigate it). I had two reports form
co-workers with buildouts breaking suddenly and I encountered a similar
issue with two Plone buildouts.

Andreas

 
 I assume the breakage occurs, since I released zc.recipe.testrunner last 
 night 
 that uses zope.testrunner instead of zope.testing.
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] where to annouce?

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Adam GROSZER wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Does anyone have a list where to announce something like a KGS 3.4.1
 release?
 


The zope-announce list? :-)

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Re: [Zope-dev] zc.recipe.testrunner 1.0.1

2010-05-05 Thread Andreas Jung
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Adam GROSZER wrote:
 Hello Andreas,
 
 Seems like you pinned there 'zope.testing=3.4.', what is rather
 in conflict even with the KGS3.4.0 (which has 3.5.1).
 Do you remember why you pinned it?

Did I? Can't remember...perhaps the svn log knows?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hanno, thanks a lot for jumping on the Zope 2 boat. I can not think of
any other person being better suited for the new Zope 2 releases than
Hanno especially because the Plone and Zope 2 project will leverage from
each other.

Good luck!

Andreas

Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 I was in too much of a good mood while having some vacation. So I
 thought I need more work to do :)
 
 I'd like to step up as the release manager for Zope2 for the 2.12 and
 2.13 (trunk) releases.
 
 I've gotten an overwhelmingly positive response to this proposal from
 the Zope Foundation board. The ZF board was discussing a general
 release manager process. This discussion will become obsolete, should
 nobody in the Zope2 developer community have significant objections
 against my proposal. Unless there is a real need for it, the Zope
 Foundation will continue to stay out of direct decisions on the
 development process.
 
 QA
 
 Who am I?
 
 I'm going to assume everyone on this list knows me by now. Should you
 have any questions, please feel free to ask.
 
 
 You know this is Zope2 and not Plone?
 
 Indeed. I hope I have shown in the past, that I'm able to distinguish
 between the two. And what is appropriate and sensible for Zope2 with
 its many different consumers. Plone might be a major consumer of
 Zope2, but it's not the only one. Since I only use Zope2 as a base for
 Plone, I do have a certain bias.
 
 
 Wait, you say 2.12 and 2.13, what about 2.11 and before?
 
 Sorry, I have to pick my playground. The non-eggified Zope2 releases
 are very different in their release procedures. I find that process to
 be tedious and no fun at all, so I'm not going to spent my free time
 on it. Should nobody else step up to act as a release manager for
 those releases, they will be unsupported.
 
 
 Are you a new Andreas?
 
 Nobody can replace Andreas and the tremendous amount of time and
 dedication he has shown. Personally I do not care about evangelizing
 Zope2 or helping out end-users on mailing lists amongst others. So no,
 I'm not going to do all the work Andreas did. I'm only here to help
 out as a release manager, whose job it is to get stable releases out.
 I do read the developers mailing lists and watch the bug trackers, I
 don't read any users mailing list or see it as my job to fix or
 respond to every bug anyone reports.
 
 
 What about that Plone release manager position?
 
 I am currently the release manager for Plone 5. We have clarified the
 overall roadmap for Plone 5, and we aren't going to work on any of the
 formal release parts for the next 12 months or longer. The current
 focus is on the Plone 4.x release series, where Eric Steele serves as
 the release manager. So while I'm going to keep my post as a Plone
 release manager, it currently doesn't involve any time commitments.
 
 
 What about Zope 2.14 or beyond?
 
 Nobody knows yet. We will see once we get there. My formal commitment
 is for 2.12 and 2.13.
 
 
 Are you insane?
 
 Maybe a little bit. But seriously if anyone knows anyone else who
 would be interested in this job, speak up. I haven't seen anyone else
 since Andreas stepped down. And I happen to work for a company which
 is 100% dependent on Zope / Plone for their income stream. While I'm
 doing this in my spare time, I do have a very real need for Zope2
 releases.
 
 
 I'm planning to make a 2.12.4 release on Easter Monday (April 5). You
 have until then to ask questions and complain :)
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] Possible DateTime timezone-related regression in Zope 2.12

2010-03-05 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On 11.01.10 01:47, Martin Aspeli wrote:
 Laurence Rowe wrote:
 I believe the current behaviour is intentional to preserve backwards
 compatibility. See the discussion starting here:
 https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2007-October/030042.html

 Maybe it was 'fixed' on 2.10 branch some time later.
 
 Sorry, just to be clear - which behaviour is correct? The 2.10 one or 
 the 2.12 one?

imho, the one from 2.10.  i think about anyone would expect to have a
simple date given being interpreted as from their current time zone, no?

also, look at the following (using `DateTime` 2.12):

  $ ~/plone/coredev/branches/4.0/bin/zopepy
   from DateTime import DateTime
   now = DateTime()
   now == DateTime(now)
  True
   now == DateTime(now.ISO())
  False

this is a _pretty_ behaviour, to say the least! :)

 My vote would go for the 2.10 one - in the absence of timezone 
 information, assume local timezone, not GMT.

+1, definitely.

 If we agree on that, is it clear what needs to be changed for this to work?

yes, i believe it is.  we need to revert Laurence' revert
(http://zope3.pov.lt/trac/changeset/81213) and fix those BBB issues in
another way.

 Can we also agree that it's very bad for 2.10 and 2.12 to exhibit 
 different behaviour here?

+1


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Re: [Zope-dev] Possible DateTime timezone-related regression in Zope 2.12

2010-03-05 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On 05.03.10 10:53, Andreas Zeidler wrote:
 also, look at the following (using `DateTime` 2.12):
 
   $ ~/plone/coredev/branches/4.0/bin/zopepy
from DateTime import DateTime
now = DateTime()
now == DateTime(now)
   True
now == DateTime(now.ISO())
   False
 
 this is a _pretty_ behaviour, to say the least! :)

heh, that should have read _pretty_ strange, btw... :)

so, after some more reading and discussing this with Stefan, it seems
the example should really use `ISO8601()` instead of `ISO()`.  however,
this fails as well:

  $ ~/plone/coredev/branches/4.0/bin/zopepy
   from DateTime import DateTime
   now = DateTime()
   now == DateTime(now.ISO8601())
  False
   now.ISO8601()
  '2010-03-05T11:06:09+01:00'

unlike stated in `DateTime.interfaces` the string returned `ISO8601`
method does not contain the time zone.

tres, do you have any comments on this?

cheers,


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Re: [Zope-dev] Possible DateTime timezone-related regression in Zope 2.12

2010-03-05 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On 05.03.10 11:10, Andreas Zeidler wrote:
now == DateTime(now.ISO8601())
   False
now.ISO8601()
   '2010-03-05T11:06:09+01:00'
 
 unlike stated in `DateTime.interfaces` the string returned `ISO8601`
 method does not contain the time zone.

oops, it does, of course (i think i'm still a bit too tired :)).  sorry
about this! :)

the above example fails, because `now` contains the microseconds, but
`ISO8601` doesn't include them:

   now - DateTime(now.ISO8601())
  1.9525578703703702e-06
   now, DateTime(now.ISO8601())
  (DateTime('2010/03/05 11:16:9.168701 GMT+1'),
   DateTime('2010/03/05 11:16:09 GMT+1'))

 tres, do you have any comments on this?

nevermind, i think now it should be clear what needs to be changed... :)

 cheers,
 
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] redirect burps on unicode URLs

2010-02-25 Thread Andreas Jung
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As Tres pointed out: URLs must be properly encoded and it is not safe
to pass python unicode
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Re: [Zope-dev] redirect burps on unicode URLs

2010-02-25 Thread Andreas Jung
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Adam GROSZER wrote:
 Hello,

 Looks like zope.publisher burps on unicode URL which contain
 non-ascii chars. This is from a KGS 3.4 application, but looking
 at the source it still seems to have the same problems.

 opinions?

 ... self.request.response.redirect(url) File
 d:\home\.buildout\eggs\zope.publisher-3.4.6-py2.5.egg\zope\publisher\browser.py,


line 729, in redirect return super(BrowserResponse,
 self).redirect(location, status) File
 d:\home\.buildout\eggs\zope.publisher-3.4.6-py2.5.egg\zope\publisher\http.py,


line 882, in redirect self.setHeader('Location', location) File
 d:\home\.buildout\eggs\zope.publisher-3.4.6-py2.5.egg\zope\publisher\http.py,


line 676, in setHeader value = str(value) UnicodeEncodeError:
 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xd6' in position 71:
 ordinal not in range(128)

As Tres pointed out: URLs must be properly encoded and it is not safe
to pass python unicode
strings to APIs expecting byte strings.

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Re: [Zope-dev] exception views lost context on Zope 2.12

2010-02-24 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On 23.02.10 13:36, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
 On 2/23/10 13:22 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
 Wichert Akkerman wrote:
 It is not useful, it is critical. Without the context you can not use
 any browser views for example.

 Well, the use cases that have been to date have done without it. :) I'm
 not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying we need to make sure we don't
 break existing use cases (plone.app.linkintegrity, plone.caching to name
 two that I know of).
 
 As I said plone.app.linkintegrity always used this trick in Zope 2.10, 
 so it is not something I just came up with. It is known to work :)

wichert is right, the existing use cases — or say, at least
p.a.linkintegrity — have _not_ done without it.  in fact, the
confirmation view (i.e. you really wanna delete this?) relies on the
(acquisition) context.  otherwise it could never be rendered as
something that looks like a regular page.

however, the monkey patch used here is only partly applied for zope
2.12, and the bit where the view gets aq-wrapped is not[*].  since it
remains to work, though, i suspect that wichert's problem could be
something else...


andi

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 ZMI and HTML5

2010-02-07 Thread Andreas Jung
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Charlie Clark wrote:
 Am 06.02.2010, 21:56 Uhr, schrieb Tres Seaver
 tsea...@palladion.com:

 You aren't ever going to get ZSQL migrated to use ZPT.  ZPT is
 a really poor fit for non-markup templates like SQL.  Folks
 writing modern apps tend to favor non-dynamic SQL anyway (using
 placeholder variables) and so would just not use ZSQL.

 Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. I would like an alternative to
 DTML for ZSQL which would generate SQL with the appropriate
 placeholders and some minimal templating logic. But that would be a
 different project.


Why do you want to write new apps on top of ZSQL? The only thing that is
more disgusting than writing SQL code is generating SQL code with DTML.
Sorry, but we are in the ORM world and using SQLAlchemy  friends is
the much nicer and smoother way doing SQL related programming nowadays.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 ZMI and HTML5

2010-02-03 Thread Andreas Jung
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Tom Gross wrote:
 Hi all,

 with HTML5 the frame-elements will die. It will probably take some
 years before the browser-support of HTML4 will stop, but still.
 Are there any alternative implementations for the Zope2-ZMI?
Get the frame-less ZMI by using /manage_main
and the frame problem is solved. Yes, you lose the treeview but I actually
never used it in my whole Zope life.

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Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Annce] [ZF] Announcement: 2010 Zope Foundation Board Elections and General Meeting

2010-01-28 Thread Andreas Jung
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Tres Seaver wrote:



 Procedure for Elections ---

 The procedure for the elections is as follows:

 - Foundation members may nominate any member by responding to the
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 Nominations will remain open until Friday, 2010-01-29, 23:00 UTC.

I nominate:

- - Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com


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Re: [Zope-dev] Legal formalities to accept log and design

2010-01-24 Thread Andreas Jung
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Baiju M wrote:
 Hi,
 I would like to know the legal formalities required
 to accept a logo (with special font).
 Also I would like to know the same for web design.

 Is there any guideline for Zope Foundation ?
The ZF has no guidelines (except the one that are in place
for using the official Zope logo). I think you are free
to proceed as you want. We are happy to see that you are bringing
Bluebream forward.

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Re: [Zope-dev] New Zope2 releases available

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Charlie Clark wrote:
 Am 13.01.2010, 04:23 Uhr, schrieb Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:

 - - Zope 2.12.3,
   http://pypi.zope.org/pypi/Zope2/2.12.3
 Please note that the 2.12 releases are made only on the Python Package
 Index server, aka PyPI or the Cheeseshop.

 Thanks Tres,

 some components require compiling or binary eggs on Windows, ie. 
 zope.container  3.10 for Python 2.6. Is there an easy way of checking
for 
 such eggs?

There is the zope2kgs that I wrote for generating the download index
(by accessing PyPI through its XMRPC). It should be easy to extend the
package
by checking the existence of Windows related packages (you should have to
get hold of the files list through XMLRPC and check for something like
*win*
within the list of package files).

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[Zope-dev] Stepping back as Zope 2 release manager

2010-01-11 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hi there,

I would like to inform you that I intent to retreat from the Zope 2
release manager position soon. I have been serving the Zope community in
this position for almost seven years and now it is time to move on and
hand
over the responsibility to some other person. The reasons for stepping
down
are pretty easy: I am too busy with other things and I would like to
shift my
focus on other Zope-related projects but I will remain part of the
Zope and
Plone community.

The Zope community has no official process for choosing a new release
manager so
I assume some volunteer has to speak up or someone may suggest a
honorable person
of the Zope community for the position.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Stepping back as Zope 2 release manager

2010-01-11 Thread Andreas Jung
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 I would like to inform you that I intent to retreat from the Zope
 2 release manager position soon. I have been serving the Zope
 community in this position for almost seven years and now it is
 time to move on and hand over the responsibility to some other
 person. The reasons for stepping down are pretty easy: I am too
 busy with other things and I would like to shift my focus on
 other Zope-related projects but I will remain part of the Zope
 and Plone community.

 Thanks for the great Zope releases!

 I am grateful to meet you at PyCON 2009.
Perhaps once again at PyCON 2010? :)

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Re: [Zope-dev] Stepping back as Zope 2 release manager

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robert rottermann wrote:
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Shorter than yours :)

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Re: [Zope-dev] [ZODB-Dev] Splitting a large ZODB file storage - any light-weight approach?

2009-12-30 Thread Andreas Jung
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Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

 - copy the old Data.fs into three new storage server buildouts.
 Attach to each with a ZEO client and delete the folders you do not
 need in that particular storage in the ZMI or via zopectl debug.
Delete operations will trigger events modifying other global metadata
related
to the those objects. So this approach requires modification to the
application in
order to avoid such side effects.

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[Zope-dev] Documentation on the Zope 2 release process

2009-12-29 Thread Andreas Jung
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I started documenting the Zope 2 release process (Zope 2.12 only for now):

svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope2docs/trunk/maintenance/index.rst

Hints and feedback appreciated.

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Re: [Zope-dev] easy_install 2.12.2 errors on docutils dependency

2009-12-24 Thread Andreas Jung
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Jim Pharis wrote:
 Running easy_install -i
 http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.2 Zope2 in a virtualenv
 w/o site packages failed on the following dependency. It of course
 was easy to easy_install docutils and finish the install
 successfully.

 Thanks,

 - Jim

 Installed
 /home/binbrain/Programs/Zope2.12/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pytz-2009r-py2.6.egg


Searching for docutils
 Reading http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.2/docutils/
 Reading
 http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.2/docutils/UNKNOWN
Obviously the docutils are no longer hosted on PyPI (but on
Sourceforge) *sigh*.
I fixed the download index for now manually.

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Re: [Zope-dev] How to automatically poke Zope2 on slow requests

2009-12-18 Thread Andreas Jung
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 I'm trying to debug slow requests/writes, and I'm wondering if there 
 are any suitable tools for this. It's not on every request or write, 
 we're not able to detect manually and start checking from the shell, 
 and we would prefer to not affect performance too much for all the 
 regular requests.

 What I've been thinking of is a proxy that can start poking with 
 signalstack and perhaps check system IO once a request has taken more 
 than a set number of seconds (or trigger by some other rule), or a 
 component that starts a monitor thread for each request that can do 
 something similar. I'm open to completely different approaches.

You're talking of Zope 2.x? Have you checked the publisher events?

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Re: [Zope-dev] How to automatically poke Zope2 on slow requests

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schrieb Helge Tesdal:
 On 18. des.. 2009, at 13:11, Andreas Jung wrote:

 You're talking of Zope 2.x? Have you checked the publisher
 events?

 2.10.6 and RelStorage 1.1.3 in this case. We expect RelStorage 1.4
 to help, but still want the debugging thingie.

 I haven't checked the publisher events, but I guess that's an
 excellent way of starting and stopping the monitor thread? Or
 would you use the events some other way?

Publisher events are part of Zope 2.12 (not sure if they were
backported to older versions).

Perhaps of interest:

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/haufe.requestmonitoring
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/haufe.ztop

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2 setup.py and setup parameters

2009-12-17 Thread Andreas Jung
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 Hi,
 In Zope 2 setup.py, the parameters of setup is defined as
 a separate dictionary and then unpacked to setup function like this:

   setup(**params)

 Any particular reason to do like this ?


Any particular problem? I think added the code while we had to deal
with version dependencies and pinning  in some way before
having the dedicated index for each Zope release.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2 setup.py and setup parameters

2009-12-17 Thread Andreas Jung
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 schrieb Baiju M:
 Hi, In Zope 2 setup.py, the parameters of setup is defined as a
 separate dictionary and then unpacked to setup function like
 this:

 setup(**params)

 Any particular reason to do like this ?


 Any particular problem?

 Nothing, I thought it's YAGNI.

 I think added the code while we had to deal with version
 dependencies and pinning  in some way before having the dedicated
 index for each Zope release.

 So, we can change it now ?
If you want to change it for the sake of having it changed, go ahead :)

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Re: [Zope-dev] Compression format for ZTK packages

2009-12-16 Thread Andreas Jung
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schrieb Hanno Schlichting:
 On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Adam GROSZER agros...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I guess which were created by windowze people. It does zips by
 default.

 Nope. I only create zips being on Mac OS.

 With the tarfile module in Python 2.4 being utterly broken, I ran
 into too much trouble with broken tar.gzips over time.

 At least in the Plone world we demanded everyone to use zip files
 all the time as the sdist format. We haven't enforced that,
 though.
+0.5

At least I would disallow .bz2 since most people don't have
a Python interpreter with bz2 module installed.

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Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.sqlalchemy 1.0.11

2009-12-10 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 10.12.09 13:34, schrieb Christophe Combelles:
 Hi,

 There is no tag for z3c.sqlalchemy 1.0.11

 http://svn.zope.org/z3c.sqlalchemy/tags/?rev=106375

 and the latest package on PyPI is 1.0.12. No other earlier versions.


 We have an application in production with z3c.sqlalchemy 1.0.11. 

1.0.12 likely only a minor bugfix release. So go with this version.

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[Zope-dev] Upcoming Zope releases

2009-12-10 Thread Andreas Jung
My plan is to release new releases of Zope 2.9 - 2.12 on December 22nd.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 4 OK, 2 Unknown

2009-12-06 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 06.12.09 12:52, schrieb Wichert Akkerman:
 On 12/6/09 02:45 , Tres Seaver wrote:
   
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 Unknown
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 Subject: UNKNOWN : Zope-2.12 Python-2.6.4 : Linux
 From: Zope Tests
 Date: Fri Dec  4 20:48:07 EST 2009
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-December/013139.html

 Subject: UNKNOWN : Zope-2.12-alltests Python-2.6.4 : Linux
 From: Zope Tests
 Date: Fri Dec  4 20:50:07 EST 2009
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-December/013140.html
   
 These failures are both due to the following:

 Getting distribution for 'zc.buildout==1.4.1'.
Error: Couldn't find a distribution for 'zc.buildout==1.4.1'.

 Has somebody been doing nasty stuff like removing releases on PyPI?
 
 zc.buildout 1.4.1 is still on http://pypi.python.org/simple/zc.buildout
PyPI had an outage according to some reports on Twitter.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Contributing initgroups upstream

2009-11-16 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 16.11.09 16:51, schrieb Tres Seaver:
 Martijn Faassen wrote:
  exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I've just contributed a patch to CPython adding os.initgroups based on
  this extension module:
 
http://svn.zope.org/Zope/trunk/src/initgroups/
 
  The CPython ticket is here:
 
http://bugs.python.org/issue7333
 
  I don't think there should be any licensing issues, as the ZPL is
 pretty
  permissive and the code is very short.  However, if there are,
 could the
  code in question be relicensed for CPython under the Python license?

  I've passed this question along to the Zope Foundation.

 IMO, there isn't really much of anything protectable in that module:
 it is a micro-thin wrapper around a libc syscall.  If I sat down to
 write the module from scratch, I bet I would come within a negligable
 diff (whitespace, ordering of #includes, etc.) of the same code.

 Just for belt-and-suspeders:  as a ZF board member, I would certainly
 vote to contribute the code to Python.
Same here - discussing about this issue takes longer than writing the
code from scratch :)

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 6 OK, 2 Failed

2009-11-01 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 31.10.09 18:53, schrieb Tres Seaver:
 Zope Tests Summarizer wrote:
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  Test failures
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  Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Zope-2.12-alltests Python-2.4.6 : Linux
  From: Zope Tests
  Date: Fri Oct 30 21:52:06 EDT 2009
  URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-October/012923.html

 I can't reproduce this failure when running the Acquisition 2.12.4 tests
 with Python 2.4 on my machine.

I can reproduce this error with Python 2.4 on 64 bit Linux.

However I would not care much about it since 2.4 is basically unsupported.

I am going one step further and propose to support officially only
Python 2.6
(and inofficially Python 2.5). Why? Right now it is possible writing
Zope 2.12
compatible add-ons that might use Python 2.6 feature. Another using running
Zope w/ Python 2.5 or 2.4 will not be able to run this particular
add-on. So I am inclined to limit the official support to Python 2.6 only.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.1 release

2009-10-27 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 26.10.09 22:28, schrieb yuppie:
 Andreas Jung wrote:
   
 I plan to release Zope 2.12.1 on November 2nd, 2009.

 Objections or open issues?
 
 I'd like to nominate this bug:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/+bug/461446
You're going to fix it?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.1 release

2009-10-26 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 26.10.09 10:25, schrieb Sylvain Viollon:

   I agree it will be great, if that issue is fixed:

   https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2/+bug/360761

   Otherwise, I still can't used Zope 2.12.

   Best regards,

   Sylvain,
   
@Andi: could you please give some love to this issue?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.1 release

2009-10-26 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 26.10.09 14:13, schrieb Eric Steele:
 On Oct 23, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
 I plan to release Zope 2.12.1 on November 2nd, 2009.

 Objections or open issues?

 Andreas


 For what it's worth, that'd be perfect timing for Plone 4. I'm hoping
 to put out a first alpha right after the conference and we'll need
 2.12.1 to do so. 
Give Andi Zeidler a gentle kick :)

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[Zope-dev] Zope 2.12.1 release

2009-10-23 Thread Andreas Jung
I plan to release Zope 2.12.1 on November 2nd, 2009.

Objections or open issues?

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Re: [Zope-dev] CMF/Zope3-ZTK Microsites

2009-10-22 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 22.10.09 08:07, schrieb Jens Vagelpohl:

 On Oct 22, 2009, at 06:46 , Andreas Jung wrote:

 Regarding the Zope3/ZTK and CMF subprojects: what are the plans
 of those subjects for moving to dedicated microsites. We have
 basically two
 options:

 - microsites based on Sphinx
 - something based on Plone

 There are no microsite plans for the CMF. I was hoping to lift the
 content from the now-defunct new.zope.org and place it into the next
 www.zope.org.

 Let's please not make microsites the default for everything. If the
 content can be placed into other existing (or planned) sites there's
 no real advantage to yet another microsite, just added admin burden.
So the CMF stuff will remain under available under www.zope.org (Plone
3-ish) site? I am fine with that.
There should be much issues with the release management because releases
and release information
will be placed on PyPI!?

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Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/tags/2.12.0/doc/WINDOWS. Renamed to avoid warning.

2009-10-20 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 21.10.09 04:55, schrieb Baiju M:
 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
   
 On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Baiju M wrote:
   
 Log message for revision 104986:
   Renamed to avoid warning.
   Should we remove it ?


 Changed:
   D   Zope/tags/2.12.0/doc/WINDOWS.rst
   A   Zope/tags/2.12.0/doc/WINDOWS.txt
 
 Why are you editing a tag?

 This is already gone on the 2.12 branch and trunk.
   
 Sorry, I meant to do it in branch.  I will revert it.
 
 Now I realize how it happened. There is an svn:external inside
 zope2docs/trunk/releases (svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope2docs/releases)
 which is pointing to 2.12 tag, should we change this to 2.12 branch ?
No, otherwise docs.zope.org should display only the release notes
of the release versions - w/o the release notes of the upcoming version.
That's why it refers to the latest release tag.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Is it all right to merge for unicodeSpliting at ZCTextIndex?

2009-10-12 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 12.10.09 18:11, schrieb Takeshi Yamamoto:
 I would like to merge the following change to the trunk.

 svn diff -r 104723:104761 
 svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/branches/tyam-unicodeSplitterPatch

 This change is to add a hook for proper text indexing for Ease Asian  
 Languages(CJK).

 Is it all right to merge this?
go ahead.

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