RE: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am aware that I am adding another 2-3 man years to the wishlist, but here are some ideas I had lately: A Zope IDE should be much more than just a programming IDE adapted offer highlighting etc. for Zope's languages. It should be an RAD tool similar to what MS Access does for

Re: Zope3, CMS, IDEs (was: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-22 Thread Joachim Werner
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Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Joachim Werner
are positioning Zope 3 against? I've never seen an answer to that quite important question ... -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel.: +49 (0) 911 9883 984 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.iuveno.de ___ Zope-Dev

[Zope-dev] Using the error log

2003-12-13 Thread Joachim Werner
application? Is there any written documentation on how to hook up the error log? Cheers Joachim -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel.: +49 (0) 911 9883 984 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.iuveno.de ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.7 Timeline

2003-08-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! WRT the Zope 2.7 timeline: Couldn't we just get a new beta that includes the most critical bug fixes very soon? If 2.7 doesn't get deployed on almost production systems there will not be too much further testing I guess. And currently most non-experts will not even be able to get a Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.7 Timeline

2003-08-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Chris McDonough wrote: 2.7.0b2 was released yesterday with both of these bugs fixed. Is that soon enough? ;-) Yes it is ;-) Sorry, I didn't check before ... ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev **

Re: [Zope-dev] How (in)secure is Zope?

2003-03-13 Thread Joachim Werner
is not a firewall. If you don't take care there is some chance of DOS attacks. On the other hand I am quite positive that Zope is very secure in terms of preventing unauthorized access to the system (root exploits etc.). Joachim -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b

[Zope-dev] Pydoc and Zope

2003-03-11 Thread Joachim Werner
of browsing the source code? Cheers Joachim -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno.de Tel.: +49 (0) 911/ 9 88 39 84 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

[Zope-dev] Fuzziness in tracebacks ...

2003-03-10 Thread Joachim Werner
calling a variable or so. Errors in the ZPT syntax and some runtime errors are raised properly, but others just cause a white page to be rendered, which is very hard to debug without using a debugger. Joachim -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing structured text alternative w/in Zope

2003-03-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Toby Bologna schrieb: Hi, I'm a programmer but new to Zope. I'm developing a text markup language like Structured Text that better suits my needs outside the Zope/Python world. Would I be able to incorporate it within Zope, i.e., so I could edit the new format in the edit window and have it

Re: [Zope-dev] [BUG] Quadratic ZODB bloat caused by PathIndex

2003-02-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Andreas Jung schrieb: --On Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2003 08:05 +0100 Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zope 2.5.1 A PathIndex maps (pathsegment,level) onto the IISet of document ids with pathsegment at level in their path. An IISet is a single persistent object, written as a whole to

Re: [Zope-dev] Offtopic: it's vs. its

2003-02-21 Thread Joachim Werner
http://david.tribble.com/text/misspell.htm Could we add that to the Zope 3 styleguide? ;-) -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno.de Tel.: +49 (0) 911/ 9 88 39 84 ___ Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Security-Problem

2003-02-18 Thread Joachim Werner
into trouble. So there are probably two solutions: a) DO NOT delete the owner b) Let somebody else take over the ownership -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno.de Tel.: +49 (0) 911/ 9 88 39 84

Re: [Zope-dev] [Bug] Zope's transaction behaviour flawed

2003-02-03 Thread Joachim Werner
? At least as an option that can be activated when needed? -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno.de Tel.: +49 (0) 911/ 9 88 39 84 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1b2?

2003-01-23 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi, I'd just like to know when can we expect a 2.6.1b2. It would be nice to have a new release where we don't have to patch just to get ZClasses to work. Yes, it IS indeed a problem if there is no single Zope version out there that can be used without patches. 2.6.0 has the DateTime bug, the

[Zope-dev] Strange bug (NOT a Zope bug!) when exporting Zope objects on Windows with Norton Personal Firewall running ...

2002-11-13 Thread Joachim Werner
and ___ Joachim Werner iuveno AG Wittelsbacherstraße 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel. +49 (0) 911 / 988398-4 Fax +49 (0) 911 / 988398-5 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.iuveno.de ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED

[Zope-dev] Strange bug (NOT a Zope bug!) when exporting Zope objects on Windows with Norton Personal Firewall running ...

2002-11-13 Thread Joachim Werner
to happen even if the Zope server runs locally! Cheers Joachim ___ Joachim Werner iuveno AG Wittelsbacherstraße 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel. +49 (0) 911 / 988398-4 Fax +49 (0) 911 / 988398-5 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.iuveno.de

Re: [Zope-dev] HTTP content negotiation-- has anyone tried this in Zope?

2002-11-13 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! We've talked a lot about that when we discussed Zope I18N some time ago. Most of this is relatively easy to accomplish even now. Regarding language negotiation: Both Localizer and ZBabel do this. The problem in my practical experience is that most people do not configure their browsers

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: What catalog/index to use ...

2002-11-09 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Please note that former Zope versions already include a dedicated unicode-aware splitter that is already usable with the old TextIndex and maybe with ZCTextIndex. TextIndexNG resolves all these issues by doing the complete internal processing by converting the data into unicode. Every

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: What catalog/index to use ...

2002-11-09 Thread Joachim Werner
I must've missed the start of this thread (I only just signed up for this list). I didn't see any patch -- I thought it was just a gripe about ZCTextIndex. Of course patches are welcome -- where can I find this particular patch? Hi Guido! I don't know where you would expect a patch to be

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: What catalog/index to use ...

2002-11-08 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Some additional remarks: While making the splitting dependent on the locale settings (as done in the old TextIndex) helps with most use cases, I'm not sure if that is the right thing to do in the long run. Locale settings are good for client software, i.e. if you want to have a program behave

[Zope-dev] What catalog/index to use ...

2002-11-07 Thread Joachim Werner
be replaced by TextIndexNG? Does it make sense to get ZCTextIndex fixed (there seems to be a patch in the collector already) or should I go with TextIndexNG? If yes, is it ready for production environments? Cheers Joachim _ Joachim Werner iuveno AG Wittelsbacherstraße 23b 90475

[Zope-dev] Unicode Support in 2.6 -- background infos?

2002-11-04 Thread Joachim Werner
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Re: [Zope-dev] This was fun!!!

2002-10-15 Thread Joachim Werner
I won't look into the DTML Parser code right now. Don't need no headache ;-) But this is my first guess: dtml-if getEasyLanguageService DTML looks at getEasyLanguageService and does an implicit getEasyLanguageService(). So now getEasyLanguageService (as an attribute in the DTML namespace)

[Zope-dev] Multiple entries in the Index menu ... (Zope 2.6.1 b1)

2002-10-09 Thread Joachim Werner
Hello! I am getting multiple identical entries in the Add menu of the indexes page of my ZCatalogs with Zope 2.6.1 b1. Is it just me? Could be a minor bug with filtering the all_meta_types or filtered_meta_types ... Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zdaemon fix

2002-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
While we're improving zdaemon, I have two other suggestions: - Use grown-up language in log messages rather than Aiieee! and Houston, we have forked I think you are right, but from an emotional point of view, I'll be missing Houston very much. This kind of stuff gave Zope a personal note.

Re: [Zope-dev] http://cvs.zope.org/Products/Scheduler vs Xron for cron-like functionality. Advice?

2002-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi All, I'm interested in starting to maintain Xron, if it has potential to be a stable products. From the code it doesn't seem to do any strange things, but I would like to know if anybody has experience of using it in a production environment, or any other experiences and that would

Re: [Zope-dev] http://cvs.zope.org/Products/Scheduler vs Xron for cron-like functionality. Advice?

2002-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! OT: I am going to switch to some other mail client soon. It's unbelievable that Outlook Express still doesn't do the thing right :-( - Xron just runs on one server, e.g. the one that is on the fastest machine; this is useful for cases where you need the events to be executed on the same

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I could comment for hours on the postings in this thread (after rereading what I've just written below I actually did ;-)). But let me just take this to say what is most important to me: In the world of Zope 3, this distinction will be even more clear. Zope 2 unfortunately tried too much

Re: [Zope-dev] Coroner's toolkit for zope, or how to figure out what went wrong.

2002-08-12 Thread Joachim Werner
. run fstest.py and/or fsrecover.py? It's quite unlikely that you'd loose a whole tree, as the data is not physically stored in trees, but added sequentially. You might have deleted a tree, but that can be rolled back by getting rid of the ZODB transaction that did the delete. Cheers Joachim Werner

[Zope-dev] Corrupt Data.fs: Is there a way of fixing transaction ids?

2002-08-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have a really large Data.fs file (1.3 GB) that has a number of errors. When I run the fstest.py script, I get this: Problem: 109963117 object serialno 0x034573c4b6a2cb6e does not match transaction id 0x034573c55c8c0dbb How can I fix the Data.fs file? It should be possible to scan the

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope hangs, with processes being idle ... (rather urgent problem)

2002-08-01 Thread Joachim Werner
I have a Zope 2.5.1 using ZEO on Linux, with Apache as proxy server. The two ZEO clients run fine for a couple of hours, and then suddenly one of them stops responding. It's the type of Zope hangs when all processes are fine, but ZServer just doesn't respond (load is very low, with

[Zope-dev] Zope hangs, with processes being idle ... (rather urgent problem)

2002-07-31 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have a Zope 2.5.1 using ZEO on Linux, with Apache as proxy server. The two ZEO clients run fine for a couple of hours, and then suddenly one of them stops responding. It's the type of Zope hangs when all processes are fine, but ZServer just doesn't respond (load is very low, with the CPU

[Zope-dev] Massive Problems with sessions

2002-07-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Hello! Suddenly I am getting massive problems with Zope 2.5.1 sessions. The Zope instance was upgraded from 2.5.0 to 2.5.1 and has a lot more load now as it is in production. Nothing else has changed I guess. The problems: Frequent duplicate key errors, and now a new one when I try to enter

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-CMF] i18n for CMF And Plone, backporting i18n to Zope 2.x

2002-07-02 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Barry A. Warsaw writes: concerns. After talking with Fred, I came to understand that much of the code's current obscurity is due to optimizations to make TAL perform at least as fast as DTML. Well, faster than it used to. We need to spend time on performance. Indeed. All my

[Zope-dev] Wrong length for http requests!

2002-06-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am getting the following results from an ab (Apache benchmark) run against a Zope site: Concurrency Level: 20 Time taken for tests: 11.862 seconds Complete requests: 40 Failed requests:23 (Connect: 0, Length: 23, Exceptions: 0) Total transferred: 1517831 bytes

Re: [Zope-dev] Wrong length for http requests!

2002-06-07 Thread Joachim Werner
- Original Message - From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Wrong length for http requests! Hi! I tried with more verbosity. The result is that the headers' Content_Length differs. I

Re: [Zope-dev] Wrong length for http requests!

2002-06-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I finally got it: It's not Zope that causes any trouble, it's ab. It seems to expect identical sizes for the pages retrieved. What I checked was commit a change to a test page (which was absolutely static) in the middle of an ab run. The result was almost 55% failed requests ... Cheers

Re: [Zope-dev] Ordered Folder (was: Speaking of 2.6...)

2002-04-23 Thread Joachim Werner
OrderedFolder is not about having an ordered default view in the management interface. The point is that people want to build menus or web pages that consist of several objects in a folder, using objectValues()/objectIds(). Without OrderedFolder or a similar approach it is very hard to position

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Joachim Werner
I don't know OrderedFolder very well but it'd be very useful in several of my projects, so I can volunteer a bit of time in helping to get it in Zope 2.6 as well. Hi Martijn! If you do so, please check with me for the newest version of Ordered Folder. I have added a few features to

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! That is Stephan's product, not mine, and it *may* have some issues in certain OS distributions (based on my experiences and another user's). So, it cannot be added itself without some work--further testing work if nothing else. What kind of problems does OrderedFolder have? There is no

Re: [Zope-dev] ZMI textareas on Windows IE6 are '100%+' wide, cause scrolling inconvenience

2002-02-09 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I think the problem is more severe. IE 6 has obviously changed behaviour compared to IE 5.5. I'd call it a bug. It now always calculates 100% with the right-hand bar's width INCLUDED, so there are other side-effects than the one you are describing, like the last tab on the right being

[Zope-dev] Benchmarks: DTML vs. ZPT?

2002-02-06 Thread Joachim Werner
Hello! Has anyone done any performance comparisons between DTML and ZPT yet? The reason I'm asking is that we did some first(completely unscientific) tests and had the impression that ZPT were actually quite a bit SLOWER than DTML - and I just can't believe that ... Joachim

[Zope-dev] hiding tabs in manage view

2002-02-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I remember that someone posted that question before, but I didn't find it. So here it is again: In the latest Zope versions, if a user has no rights to see a certain management tab in the ZMI, it is shown anyway. If he clicks on it, he'll get an authentication request, so the method behind

[Zope-dev] Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have a problem concerning using versions and sessions together in Zope 2.5 beta 3: As the Temporary Storage is incompatible with versions, it seems to me that I can not at all use any session manipulating code in a method that might be called under version control. This is very disturbing

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
: As of Zope 2.5 b3, you can either use versions OR sessions. If you try to combine them, you'll get into big trouble. This is a major bug, right? Cheers Joachim - Original Message - From: Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
I have a slight correction to make (which doesn't change the message of this posting): - As the new sessioning code seems to be working within the transaction machinery, the SESSION.set action causes the mere display of an index_html page (that includes a session initialization method) to be

[Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This is my first post in the new year, so best wishes for 2002 from Germany! And on we go with my problem: I have a ZClass-based Class derived from File. It holds PDF documents. SOME (not all) of them do not auto-open in Acrobat Reader as they are supposed to if MS IE 5.x is used. Opera

Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
PROTECTED] To: Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE? Martijn fixed that problem some weeks ago. The fixes

Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Just to answer my own question and complete the mail archive: If you have problems with downloads that make use of the HTTP range functionality (e.g. with the latest Acrobat Reader in MS IE), Zope 2.5 fixes the problem (for me). ___ Zope-Dev

[Zope-dev] Precompiled binaries for Linux? (SuSE)

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have tried to compile psycopg on a SuSE Linux 7.0 system, but it I simply cannot get it done. Do you have some precompiled binaries you could post? Thanks a lot in advance! Joachim Werner ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Zope-dev] OpenOffice and Zope ??

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I don't have the resources to start something like that NOW, but I'd really like to see work on an OpenOffice integration: has anybody integrated/plans on intragration/experimented with OpenOffice and Zope ? YES. - OpenOffice as a HTML Editor / Web-Frontend for Zope I don't like that

Re: [Zope-dev] Precompiled binaries for Linux? (SuSE)

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I finally managed to compile that beast. So I'll probably be the one to post binaries ASAP ... - Original Message - From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: [Zope-dev] Precompiled binaries

[Zope-dev] Strange error message: function attributes not accessible in restricted mode

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have two Zope 2.5 b2 installations on two seemingly identical machines, both with PostgreSQL, ZPsyCopDA, and DBObjects. In the DBObjects demo, I am getting THIS (see below) on one of the machines (the one with the slightly older installation). Very strange for me. What the hell is

[Zope-dev] ZBabel Object incompatibility with Zope 2.5 b2

2001-12-11 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This time I need some specialists to help ... Here is some code from ZBabel Objects. ZBabel objects are folders that hold localized versions of anything you want to internationalize and pass getting attributes and calling objects to one of these localized versions depending on your language

Re: [Zope-dev] ZBabel Object incompatibility with Zope 2.5 b2

2001-12-11 Thread Joachim Werner
Doesn't seem to make any difference :-( What does that option do? class Rewrapper(Base): def __init__(self, path): self._path = path def __of__(self, parent): ob = parent for p in self._path: ob = getattr(ob, p) = HERE WE GET A

[Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...

2001-12-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Any ZCatalog experts out there? I am suddenly getting this with a ZCatalog (it is actually a subclassed version of the ZCatalog, almost a one-to-one copy of the CMF Catalog tool): -- Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: KeyError Error

Re: [Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...

2001-12-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This isn't a Catalog error, it's a ZODB error. It appears that your ZODB data has beome inconsistent. You might want to try to run fsrecover.py against it after making a backup to see if it detects any errors. I don't think so: - fsrecover doesn't find anything - the error occurs on

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This is a totally different business model than the one Zope Corp. is using right now, but it might help refinancing the overhead a good community needs to have ... Would it have to be done by ZC? No, of course not. And there could be more than one of course (though we'd need a

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
The second is pretty exciting as well. I saw a presentation in Paris by Juan David Palomar, of Localizer fame. (The presentation is now up at http://estce.act.uji.es:9673/localizer). The presentation impressed me on the need to get someone into the core of Zope that knows all these

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Of course there are hot spots. I have asked multiple times for help on the mailing lists and the Eurozope site to identify such related hot spots. Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode support inside Zope. But there has been no feedback. It looks like no one

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! To be honest i would be happy for Zope 3 not to be backwards compatible. Tidy it up, delete the unless code, dare i say it - refactor. Yes so my products will break, well half a days refactoring myself and i have a tidier more understandable project anyway. YES, we need a new start.

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Noone from Zope Corp seems to monitor the list to help out. That is not my experience at all. I have received answers from Zope corps several times. But sure, most of the answers you get come from the community members. Thats what a community is all about, and thats the hallmark of a good

Re: [Zope-dev] Dying in the Fishbowl.

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Does the fishbowl process address this for you? http://dev.zope.org/Fishbowl/Introduction.html From me, that'll be a resounding no. Every single idea I've had for Zope has died somewhere in the fishbowl, and not because people have turned round and gone no, that's a crap idea. That

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
I seem to have to comment on most of the mails in this thread. Sorry for that ;-) Personally, I think ZC are trying very hard, but are not getting it right. I'm also very sure they are taking this conversation seriously. Brian responded very quickly to the userfolder 'api' issues. They

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi Paul! I don't want to replace one group of people with a busy agenda with another group of people with a busy agenda. We need a small group of people that are willing to make a long-term commitment to responsibility. These people can then tap into others that can commit on an as-needed

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
IMO, Bugzilla won't fix these kinds of problems. I think the first step is to refine what we have while finding better ways to work together. We definitely need a ZOPE-based approach. What I really don't get is this: We all seem to be building Zope-based systems for communities, public

Re: [Zope-dev] (SHOUT) NOTIFICATION!!!!

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Notification, which bugzilla offers, MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE!! Email notification is good enough, if I want that to beep my cellphone, I just send it to me genie.co.uk email address... Yet another comment: That translates to We finally need MAILMAN integration into Zope! I mean,

Re: [Zope-dev] (SHOUT) NOTIFICATION!!!!

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
I think there's another problem here: possibly the community isn't large enough yet. There's already been a discussion on zope-coders about how little those with commit priviledges are actually committing, and the main reason is simply that no-one has enough time. This might be a bit

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Where's the $99 version of Zope? The $499? The $1499? The $25999? Zope Corp hasn't pulled that card out like many other vendors have. There are actually many pieces of Zope that were initially commercial add-ons (or intended to be) that are now all open source. I sometimes have the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
When we first opened the fishbowl, it was with the certainty that we wouldn't get it right immediately. That's why we went with the intentially low-tech approach of a pile of Wikis. That first step actually worked pretty well for a while until we hit critical-Wiki-mass and there were

Re: [Zope-dev] Integrating mailman with Zope?

2001-11-26 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Has anyone out there tried this already? Last we heard, Mailman was a standalone CGI program, and in order to make it work with Zope you had to run both Mailman and Zope behind another web server (such as Apache). Yes, but if you control the Mailman from Zope, you will of course not

Re: [Zope-dev] Anyone know how to add a property to a Zope Product (not its instances)?

2001-10-20 Thread Joachim Werner
By default, Zope adds the title and version properties, for which it gets the value from version.txt and meta_type, but does anyone know a way to add more? This is only half an answer, but maybe it helps: I am not quite sure if you can do that the easy way from Python. (I.e. just define a

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTables and/or Catalog plugable brains?

2001-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
I'm not entirely sure why the idea of ZTables went away so completely. Python tables in the ZODB combined with the catalog should make for an interesting system to play with. Though perhaps there are products out there that actually do this. Come to think of it, MetaPublisher (not to be

Re: [Zope-dev] [Bug] DateTime(string) uses GMT as timezone

2001-10-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Stephan Richter has started to re-implement DateTime using mxDateTime a couple of weeks ago. That should fix all the various problems with DateTime. At Zope Corporation, Andreas Jung took care of that. So if you complain loud enough, I guess the fix could go into the 2.5 release. It just

[Zope-dev] Attribute error: extends ...

2001-10-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Has anybody also had that with a Zope 2.4.1 instance (Linux)? It happens not only with Metapublisher (as in the example), but seems to occur quite randomly. It might be a problem with my local install, but even if it is, it should not happen (as I just have some custom Products installed)

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-23 Thread Joachim Werner
I imagine that the group will decide rules on peer reviewing. For comparison, the Mozilla group has very elaborate rules for checkins, while Python has pretty much an innocent until proven guilty culture. (That is, you check something in, and if somebody complains, it gets removed.) I

Re: [Zope-dev] Vulnerability: attacking can get file list and directory

2001-09-23 Thread Joachim Werner
Vulnerability: attacking can get file list and directory Tested on Win32 platform Example: telnet zopeserver 8080 PROPFIND / HTTP/1.0 enter enter enter list files and directory This tested on my site: security.instock.ru 8080 This one really seems to be the old WebDAV is not

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi Paul! Hi list! In the last couple of weeks I have really looked forward for the CVS to be finally opened. Not that I would be the first to be accepted as a contributor (my Python is still lousy, as Stephan Richter could tell you ...), but I read things from ZC like We are too busy to get

Re: Re: [Zope-dev] WebDav Bug? -- And some comments on how great WebDAV is ;-)

2001-09-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Question : When I access to my folder by webdav protocol (win98 webfolder), I can list the folder content, but when I want to access to a file inside, Zope asked to me another authentification, then I can access to my file (wordd file (.doc)) but only in read only mode. This seems to be a

Re: [Zope-dev] TransparentFolder Problem

2001-06-28 Thread Joachim Werner
/ Transparent_A Method_A Folder_B Transparent_B Method_A Folder_C Folder_B and Folder_C are non-transparent, Transparent_A and Transparent_B are transparent. The problem is when i say dtml-var Method_A in a Document which is in Folder_C i got

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-25 Thread Joachim Werner
Maybe you search python.org for Guido's metaclasses article. It tells that a Python class can be both a class and an instance and that this view has interesting applications. You focus on the class aspects of a ZClass (a pattern for creating instances providing them with basic common

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-22 Thread Joachim Werner
I do not agree with you: a ZClass is both an instance (you can manage, modify, delete) and a class (you can use as blueprint for object creation). O.k., I CAN manage/modify/delete a ZClass, but it still is (conceptually) a class, and only a class. You can manage/modify/delete Zope

[Zope-dev] Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Transparent Folders are used very often at iuveno. And we would like to do so in the future because they really provide an easy way to structure objects in folders. But with Zope 2.3.3 we get errors like that when we start an instance that uses Transparent Folders: Traceback (innermost last):

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Tomorrow I hope to release a version of TransparentFolders that works around the problem, so you can wait for that instead if you like. Cool! Could you maybe put the patch that currently is applied in OFS/__init.py__ into a Hotfix? This would make it easier to use Transparent Folders together

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Is there any good reason why a Product inside the ControlPanel is the only place a ZClass can exist? Why can't I have one in any folder? I think it is perfectly logical that ZClasses are located in the Products area. A folder is for instances of classes, and a ZClass is a class, not an

Re: [Zope-dev] and thanks

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
dtml-tree made me look good today :). Thanks DC! But still it urgently needs a rewrite ;-) Some issues: - Only one tree per page (it should be an option to use core session or unique cookies to enable more than one tree per page) - The open/close icons are hard-coded - A general one that

Re: [Zope-dev] dtml-in batching badly

2001-06-18 Thread Joachim Werner
That's not the behaviour I'd expect. Can anyone confirm this is a bug? As LEE Kwan Soo has already said, it is not a bug, but a clever (too clever?) feature that should maybe not be enabled by default. Every second week or so somebody runs into this and thinks it is a bug. To the DC people:

Re: [Zope-dev] symbolic link to another object in the Zope DB

2001-06-14 Thread Joachim Werner
Has anybody seen a product that lets you make the equivalent of a symbolic link in unix in the Zope DB? http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/Symlink (VERY experimental ...) Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-06-02 Thread Joachim Werner
this distinction so that all components can be edited via the filesystem and live in the object database. This does worry me. I think I understand at least one motivation (ZEO), but... Well, as long as it doesn't compromise my ability to write Zope python code using filesystem tools,

Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-06-02 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! We see FTP and especially WebDAV as the best fit technoligies for the content owners; we spent a good deal of effoert on cleaning up FTP/WebDAV for yesterday's CMF release, for instance. I think you are misunderstanding what I mean with enabling power users: With WebDAV and FTP one can

[Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code become realistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-05-31 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! When I read about the reload functionality of Zope 2.4, an old vision came back to my mind: If we can reload Python code at runtime, and we can also edit, generate and store files (containing code) via the web (as LocalFS or extFile prove), then it should be perfectly possible to have

Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code become realistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-05-31 Thread Joachim Werner
Coincidently, I was just trying to edit a file on the filesystem with an FTP client going thru Zope/FTP and a LocalFS. It didn't work. The LocalFS instance didn't look like a directory to FTP so FTP could neither read nor write to the directory. Does that throw a monkey wrench into your

Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code become realistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-05-31 Thread Joachim Werner
Do you mean generating Python code from ZClasses? For example making and editing a Product over the web? Kind of. Probably not full-fledged Products, but ZClass-like Classes that define values for property sheets, include Methods, inherit from certain base classes etc. ... well, maybe I'll end

Re: [Zope-dev] Simple ZClass Stuff

2001-05-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Error Type: TypeError Error Value: unsliceable object Have you tried to use the newest Zope version? In 2.3.0 or so there was a bug that gave us the unsliceable object error for ZClasses that are based on Image or File (which should be similar to the DTMLDocument case). Newer versions work

Re: Randomness (RE: [Zope-dev] CoreSessionTracking 0.8)

2001-05-26 Thread Joachim Werner
dtml-let data=SESSION.getSessionData() manage=REQUEST.get('manage_content') or data.get('manage_content') dtml-unless manage dtml-call data.set('manage_content','NO') /dtml-unless dtml-in data.keys() dtml-let si=sequence-item dtml-call REQUEST.set(si, data[si])

Re: Randomness (RE: [Zope-dev] CoreSessionTracking 0.8)

2001-05-24 Thread Joachim Werner
What we experience with CoreSessionTracking: We have a manage mode in the Kontentor CMS hacky thing (no, it is NOT a product yet ;-)). It works well for some time (i.e. if I click on it, the system switches to manage mode and stays in manage mode until I click again), but from time to time it is

Re: Randomness (RE: [Zope-dev] CoreSessionTracking 0.8)

2001-05-24 Thread Joachim Werner
However, a much more helpful report would be one which provides a repeatable test case which invariably reproduces the problem instead of one which states the symptoms and effects of the problem. I know, but that's why the errors are called random: They are not easy to replicate ...

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-14 Thread Joachim Werner
Now, it may be useful to provide a management interface for defining the schema mapping. I haven't approached that yet; AFAICT this is where the work done on SmartObjects and DBObjects would be very useful. Initially I was planning for people to code the mapping purely in Python so we

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-14 Thread Joachim Werner
My thought on this, is that you will be forced to explicitly consider the nature of this relationship and its storage at the application level. If you write explicitly for ZODB, you might use a BTree, for example. Or perhaps you'd have some kind of global container for the Tasks, with a

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