Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.

2009-04-20 Thread Paul Everitt
On 4/20/09 3:35 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Sunday 19 April 2009, Tres Seaver wrote: -1. As a branding choice (as opposed to a technology), Zope 3 *is* a dead-end: it implies a strategy (replacing Zope 2) which we no longer believe in. I think the consequences of

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-04 Thread Paul Everitt
On 3/4/09 1:07 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Chris McDonough wrote: Sorry, the you above in you scolded was Martin Aspeli, not Faassen. Note that the scolding had something to do with you breaking Plone trunk due to a transitive change in Chameleon, and the realisation that

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-04 Thread Paul Everitt
On 3/4/09 8:16 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Paul Everitt wrote: When I read Martin's post, I had a similar reaction. Namely, that the convenience of the Uberthing (Plone in this case) will always trump the desire of packages trying to survive on their own for new audiences. At the time

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-04 Thread Paul Everitt
On 3/4/09 9:47 AM, Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Paul Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project On 3/4/09 8:16 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: [...] Chameleon provided something that made it work for those users, while allowing it to not be burdened by those needs. Everybody wins.

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On 3/2/09 10:13 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: We recognised that there was a problem in trying to make sure we represented the interests of various stakeholders, and that we needed someone to think big picture in terms of what technologies we adopted and how we used them. Just to be clear, I

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On 3/2/09 6:36 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, To people who are suggesting we don't need a steering group nor a name for the Zope Framework, please answer the following questions: * how will the community make hard decisions where lots of people disagree? What is the mechanism for

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On 3/3/09 9:37 AM, Kent Tenney wrote: I'll chime in as a newbie. It seems many of the comments preferring ad-hoc to structure come from we know what we are doing, we can take care of ourselves I think Zope has the goal of attracting new users, and the proposal has potential to make Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] the Zope Framework project

2009-03-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On 3/3/09 2:42 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: And you think it's all due to the brand... Yes! Someone who *wants* to use basic ZCML directives but doesn't want zope.security, zope.location, zope.publisher, zope.traversing, zope.i18n, and pytz can *already* use

[Zope-dev] Re: sad news about Joachim Schmitz

2008-05-15 Thread Paul Everitt
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, Joachim Schmitz, long-standing member of the Zope community, died last weekend. Please see the following: http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2008/05/14/0 That was a wonderfully written memoriam, Martijn, thanks for writing it. A number of things

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Paul Everitt
Stefane Fermigier wrote: Geoff Davis wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great.. I think it is stupid. We (Zope Corp + the Zope Community) have spent 8 years building the Zope brand, and you want to restart from scratch ? Hehe, poor Geoff. :) In the

Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?

2006-03-02 Thread Paul Everitt
Geoff Davis wrote: On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:38:03 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great. Zope 3 is a _huge_ overhaul and it needs to be obvious to the world that it is dramatically better than crufty old Zope 2. Zope 3 then becomes the

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Everitt
On Jun 17, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: However, most members do not write code during their free time, do they? What happens when the members write code under working hours, their respective employers must well have something to say about it? The PF actually did research

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Everitt
On Jun 17, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 17 June 2005 07:16, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Then when I look at the members of the Plone foundation ( http://plone.org/foundation/about/board/list ) I only see companies, except that ZC is not represented. So even if every

[Zope-dev] Re: [Z3lab] Nuxeo supports Zope Corp announces

2005-06-17 Thread Paul Everitt
On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Stefane Fermigier wrote: Paul Everitt wrote: Other foundations approach things a bit differently. (I did quite a bit of research on this for the Plone Foundation.) Eric has done some research recently on the different successful Open Source / Free

[Zope-dev] Re: [Interested?] New use for Zope+CMF+Archetypes -- startup time improvements

2005-05-14 Thread Paul Everitt
This is really interesting! A year ago I put Python + Zope on a USB key, just for fun. It would barely fit so I looked at zip techniques, and never could figure out how to get ZPTs etc. to load from a ZIP. How did you do that part? --Paul Dieter Maurer wrote: Dear Zope developers, we have

[Zope-dev] Re: Editing using Firefox

2005-04-16 Thread Paul Everitt
Are you doing this as a XUL app, with an html/xul iframe inside each tab? --Paul Jeff Nielsen wrote: Sorry in advance if this issue has been covered a bzillion times already Im playing with editing my Zope site using Firefox as I can open Document and Method objects in tabbed windows and

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope3, CMS, IDEs (was: The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Everitt
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:15:58 +0100, Seb Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joachim Werner wrote: There are quite a few Zope-based CMS solutions out there, and most of them are better than their commercial counterparts in many respects. But if we had managed to start a joint CMS effort (other than

[Zope-dev] Re: RDF Musings and TinyTables

2003-02-20 Thread Paul Everitt
Good grief, how did I miss this!! Shane Hathaway wrote: I just read the RDF article published here: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/02/12/rdflib.html Yes indeed, that is a very good article. I've understood the mechanics of RDF for a while, but never understood what makes it better than

[Zope-dev] Re: RDF Musings and TinyTables

2003-02-20 Thread Paul Everitt
On jeudi, fév 20, 2003, at 22:15 Europe/Paris, Shane Hathaway wrote: [snip] With all this in mind, I just studied my Mozilla mimeTypes.rdf file again. At first, this file looks nasty. I've only defined handlers for two mime types, application/pdf and application/x-zope-edit, yet the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: RDF Musings and TinyTables

2003-02-20 Thread Paul Everitt
On Friday, Feb 21, 2003, at 04:16 Europe/Paris, Craeg K Strong wrote: Paul Everitt wrote: On jeudi, fév 20, 2003, at 22:15 Europe/Paris, Shane Hathaway wrote: - RDF is hard to read, but legibility by humans isn't its primary focus. It's more concerned with providing a way to declare any

[Zope-dev] Re: RDF Musings and TinyTables

2003-02-20 Thread Paul Everitt
Shane Hathaway wrote: On 02/20/2003 09:06 PM, Tim Hoffman wrote: In case your not aware Chandler OSAfoundation is basing their new PIM on RDF/ZODB/Python etc... if you haven't already it might be worth having a look at how they see RDF fitting into the picture.

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On Thursday, Oct 3, 2002, at 03:54 Europe/Paris, James Johnson wrote: I've been around the Zope/Python scene for many years. One thing I see this group suffer I believe if from the groupthink mentality. Imho Alexander Limi 2 cents worth demonstrated Erik's point perfectly. applaud

Re: [Zope-dev] Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Plone or ZPT speed?

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On Thursday, Oct 3, 2002, at 07:14 Europe/Paris, Andy McKay wrote: I smell commecial interest here. I smell people trying to make that one killer project hoping to make it big, instead of centering around the one vehicle that will help make a bunch of projects big someday. I won't

Re: [Zope-dev] Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Plone or ZPT speed?

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On Thursday, Oct 3, 2002, at 10:51 Europe/Paris, James Johnson wrote: Please don't get me wrong, products like squishdot, CMFZen, and others have steered me towards Zope. They are fine examples of the things that make Zope appealing. But if you really think about what I'm saying you

[Zope-dev] Interested in sprinting at EuroPython 2002?

2002-05-30 Thread Paul Everitt
it is quite useful.) We hope to have two groups of sprinters, with 6 or 8 people in each group. This means 3 or 4 pairs. If you are interested in sprinting and want to participate in the ongoing development of Zope 3, please email me (Paul Everitt, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to sign up. More (and updated

Re: [Zope-dev] how bad are per-request-write-transactions

2002-04-19 Thread Paul Everitt
ForkedStorage, I like it simply for the coolness of the name. :^) But it sparked a different kind of idea, leveraging a pattern that might emerge in Zope 3. Let's say we had a queue in Zope. We could asynchronously send changes into the queue. Later, based on some policy (e.g. idle time,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Are there Graphic Designers?

2002-04-05 Thread Paul Everitt
I think this conversation is trending in the wrong direction. Zope 3 needs to make it possible to build YABB, interfaces which support all browsers while still looking slick, etc. However, it is important to note: Zope 3 is *not* a product. It is used to build products. The core ZMI is

Re: [Zope-dev] Bug days

2002-03-15 Thread Paul Everitt
I don't think we can do the geographic coverage without making it too painful. We should split bug days in half; a few hours in the morning and a few hours in the afternoon. --Paul Brian Lloyd wrote: Hi all - In an effort to better keep up with the collector, I'd like to throw out the

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Linux and Database as MS-SQL Server on WinNT

2002-01-29 Thread Paul Everitt
Take a look at: http://www.zope.org/Members/haqa/XMLKit/news-1.1.1 Adrian made an interface to ODBC Socket Server. --Paul Peeyush Garg wrote: Hi, What's the current best solution to utilize the combination of Zope on Linux and Database as MS-SQL Server running on WinNT. I don't

Re: [Zope-dev] [BUG] Python 2.1.2 Zope 2.4.1

2002-01-28 Thread Paul Everitt
Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: I'm really disappointed with ZC for putting out a new release of Zope instead of a fixed version of the release most everyone is currently using. 2.4.4 is ready, but there's a problem with the Windows build. I suppose we could just put the others up there

[Zope-dev] FYI: Sprint schedule online

2002-01-15 Thread Paul Everitt
Whew, at long last, I've posted a Sprint Schedule at: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/SprintSchedule Boy, that URL is too long. I edited the dev.zope.org homepage to add links to the Zope3 page and the sprint schedule. This page also answers the question,

[Zope-dev] Q: Anyone want to sprint in Fredericksburg next week?

2001-12-21 Thread Paul Everitt
Howdy. This is a last-second email aimed at Washington-area Zope developers that might want to do a Zope3 extreme programming sprint with Jim next week, here in Fredericksburg. The dates are any two of Dec 26/27/28. Good knowledge of Python and Zope development required. Please reply to

[Zope-dev] Re: My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-10 Thread Paul Everitt
I've taken a while to respond on this, because I wanted to talk it over with folks here, to think about the specifics of what different ideas would mean, etc. In summary, your last paragraph says: So let's trade in some risks to the Zope core development (rash action and messed up stuff

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: core i18n support

2001-12-07 Thread Paul Everitt
Lennart Regebro wrote: Well, all the i18n developers will have a meeting early January in Europe with Jim Fulton in a 2-day brainstorming session. Excellent! When and where? Yeh, cat's almost out of the bag on this one. Here's the plan. Note that all of this is tentative! As you may

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Everitt
Matt Behrens wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Again, this is all quite exciting and I hope you can join the action. I hope to. Who's in charge of packaging and installation? I see an opportunity to do it right this time, I hope I'm not too late to the party. I think this is an excellent

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-03 Thread Paul Everitt
Clearly this is a situation that has broken down. I'll suggest a resolution in a private note to you in a sec. --Paul Toby Dickenson wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:50:14 -0500, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-12-02 Thread Paul Everitt
Joachim Werner wrote: I think that there ARE problems that can not be solved on a mailing list or in the fishbowl. One of them is doing a good general design (which we MIGHT need for some of the Zope 3.0 issues). I followed all the stuff about the CMF and formerly PTK and knew that it was

Re: core i18n support (was [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev)

2001-12-02 Thread Paul Everitt
If, as Paul assures, the second point is about to be rectified it might be now the time to do a second such compilation and then start doing it. Robert - Original Message - From: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Everitt [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Zope-dev] Another open letter. :-)

2001-12-02 Thread Paul Everitt
, an easy content management interface, and pluggable add-ons, Paul Everitt now calls it a big prototype for the new architecture. Although I think that this is not how it all started, not even how it meant to be less than a year ago, you see that your concerns are no longer something to worry about

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Paul Everitt
Agreed completely on both of those points. There's double good news on both: 1) Someone plans to do something about it. 2) Both are with community involvement. On documentation, someone in the community has committed to taking over the Documentation page on zope.org and finally organizing

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
First, I have to thank you for sparking a long-overdue conversation. It's true that we at ZC have been staring at our navels for a while. Though it's reasonable for us to pay first attention to those paying us money, it can become short-sighted. As you pointed out, everyone in Zope needs Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Lennart Regebro wrote: What I do agree on is that Zope corp not always seem to *listen* to the community. It is hard to contribute to Zope, and it feels to me that you have to fight to make Zope Corp to things the right way, even when you in fact already have done the work for them. I don't

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
seb bacon wrote: If we think we're a community, then we should all be responsible for building on it. I think we should have a conversation about what makes a community work, and then come up with some positive suggestions about improving the community *ourselves*. ZC will follow, for

[Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Chris Withers wrote: Paul Everitt wrote: Moral: there's a difference between correct and right. While we might have good reasons for inattention, it will surely lead to an unsatisfying conclusion. Thus, ZC needs to be smaller part of a larger Zope, IMO, and do this by spending more time

Re: SV: [Zope-dev] Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Casey Duncan wrote: I propose (as I just did on zope-web) that ZC do one more little thing for us. Open the web infrastructure up to a few of us. I would be willing to spend a few nights hashing out a more active fishbowl system if that's what's important. Lets take that first step

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope has been Hijacked! Save Zope!

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Chris McDonough wrote: Those who know of these problems can write clean applications but these issues are kept strictly confidential. Isn't this dangerously close to a conspiracy theory? Yes, he's right -- we hid the information on this top-secret thing called the World Wide Web:

Re: SV: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Magnus Heino wrote: Well, that checkin was done to the cvs 4 days ago. If you haven't read the one line at dev.zope.org about it being available in the cvs, or if you dont subscribe to the cvs mailinglist, how are you supposed to know that it exists? :-P Actually, he sent an email to

Re: SV: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Magnus Heino wrote: This is just a guess, but I suspect that this is a sort of unfortunate cycle developing: people post proposals, get (understandably) dismayed at the response time and end up not spending much time there, either contributing or providing feedback. Well, lets move this

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Brian Lloyd wrote: [snip] When we first opened the fishbowl, it was with the certainty that we wouldn't get it right immediately. That's why we went with the intentially low-tech approach of a pile of Wikis. That first step actually worked pretty well for a while until we hit

Re: [Zope-dev] FW: Zope optimistic transactions.

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Below is the one response to your message, by someone from ZC. I find it hard to locate the parts about censored in a way that would not be allowed for most commercial products, the discussion was quickly moved line, and these issues are kept strictly confidential. Please read one or more

Re: [Zope-dev] (SHOUT) NOTIFICATION!!!!

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
I agree that we have to lower the bar. What Seb and I were discussing is a commitment from a small group of people to help accomplish lowering the bar. Once it's lowered, then hopefully the rate and impact of casual contributions will greatly increase. --Paul Andrew Kuchling wrote: On

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Paul Everitt
Chris was just drinking a beer with us at Orbit's twenty minutes ago, and now he's responding to email on a Friday night. That's just sick. I don't think your boss fully appreciates you, number 27. :^) --Paul Chris McDonough wrote: The session management framework (formerly known as

Re: [Zope-dev] Fw: [Exuserfolder-devel] Zope 2.5b1 release

2001-11-29 Thread Paul Everitt
Yikes, it was pointed out to me that I typed amk instead of akm. Though I knew it was Andrew Milton and not Andrew Kuchling, I mixed up the letters. (In fact, as I was typing it, I was thinking wow, that looks like Andrew Kuchling's monogram.) --Paul Paul Everitt wrote: Whew

Re: [Zope-dev] FYI: Zope version control project

2001-10-23 Thread Paul Everitt
We misfired on an Apache configuration and the Apache's weren't listening. It should be back. --Paul Chris Withers wrote: Brian Lloyd wrote: Hi all - We've started a new fishbowl project to address version control in Zope:

Re: [Zope-dev] not Python 2.2a1 but Python 2.2b1

2001-10-20 Thread Paul Everitt
An important aspect to consider: in some cases, you simply need the ZEO storage server to have large file support. Thus, if you can get the ZSS running under Python 2.2, then you're set. This is considerably less ambitious than getting all of Zope (e.g. the catalog) migrated to a new

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPublisher/ZServer interaction (was Re: A modest proposal)

2001-10-13 Thread Paul Everitt
bit and see what's involved. --Paul Andy McKay wrote: So did we at least get a fishbowl out of it? Cheers. -- Andy McKay. - Original Message - From: Paul Everitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPublisher/ZServer interaction (was Re: A modest proposal)

2001-10-12 Thread Paul Everitt
Wow, this is one hell of a thread. :^) FWIW, Grisha put a Bobo publisher in mod_python a couple of years ago. Thus, if you like ZPublisher-style processing, you can do it in Apache via mod_python. I outta contact him and see if he'd consider putting page templates in mod_python. Might be

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTables and/or Catalog plugable brains?

2001-10-05 Thread Paul Everitt
Martijn Faassen wrote: I'm not entirely sure why the idea of ZTables went away so completely. Python tables in the ZODB combined with the catalog should make for an interesting system to play with. Though perhaps there are products out there that actually do this. Come to think of it,

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope on Windows/Mac OS X: BatteriesIncludedDistribution

2001-09-28 Thread Paul Everitt
Whew, what a proposal and what a good sign! As several have noted, there are quite a few proposals in the fishbowl that deal with different aspects of the problems. There's also a draft proposal that we had here in ZC that expands on the items. Finally, there appear to be a few pieces of

[Zope-dev] Re: [DISCUSS] Committer agreement not even handed and threadening

2001-09-28 Thread Paul Everitt
Dieter Maurer wrote: Paul Everitt writes: http://dev.zope.org/CVS/Contributor.pdf The Committer Agreement does not seem to be even handed: The committer transfers rights immediately and indefinitely to Zope Corporation (the contributions become a gift to Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] Multithread transaction problems in ZODB

2001-09-26 Thread Paul Everitt
First, just a friendly reminder that there is a zodb-dev mailing list. On this, check out Andrew Kuchling's page about ZEO development: http://www.amk.ca/zodb/zodb-zeo.html There's a section at the bottom with a brief discussion of ConflictError, what it means, and how to handle it. Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-25 Thread Paul Everitt
Martijn Faassen wrote: http://dev.zope.org/CVS/Contributor.pdf This says 'you must indicate your agreement to the term below'; shouldn't it be 'terms'? Uhh...well...yes! I'll make the change. I'm waiting for news back from the lawyer about provisions for handling patches. I'll then

Re: [Zope-dev] RE: Barriers to Zope popularity: Part 2: source control

2001-09-25 Thread Paul Everitt
I'd like to add some misinformation...errmm, comments. :^) On the version control side, you're quite right, we're still behind on it. There _are_ some ways to get there, if you try hard enough. But that's unacceptible. There are two things long term that need to be done: filesystem

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-25 Thread Paul Everitt
. Please respond agreeing that you understand the ZPL, the joint ownership model, and allow this contribution under these terms. How does that sound? --Paul R. David Murray wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Paul Everitt wrote: So, let's begin what I'm sure will be a lively and illuminating discussion

Re: [Zope-dev] Vulnerability in Zope

2001-09-23 Thread Paul Everitt
Do others consider this a vulnerability? While it reveals more information than people might want, I'm curious about scenarios under which it could be exploited. If any of you know of something *specific*, meaning it's a genuinely exploitable vulnerability, please email me or Brian Lloyd

Re: [Zope-dev] questions about writing a DA

2001-09-23 Thread Paul Everitt
I just took a look at ODBC Socket Server, which I had never seen before. Pretty interesting! Here's some comments. 1) It looks like socket server opens a new socket for processing every request. In this respect, it goes against one of the benefits of database adapters, which keep a

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-21 Thread Paul Everitt
), we might want to revisit it. Either way, I'll get an answer for you, thanks! --Paul Morten W. Petersen wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Paul Everitt wrote: So, let's begin what I'm sure will be a lively and illuminating discussion. :^) First man out? :-) Will a ZPL-ish license [1

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-21 Thread Paul Everitt
I'll reply in more depth later (on the way out for my b-day dinner), but in short: I think the issue of overhead on patches is something for us to consider. We won't do something that breaks the integrity of the code base, but there might be ample discussion directions. Thanks! --Paul

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPL and GPL

2001-06-27 Thread Paul Everitt
With great trepidation, I add a post to this thread. As Barry has mentioned, this has all been discussed a LOT. I'll try to summarize and clarify a few points: 1) I wanted to specifically address something in Michael's post here. We fully expect people to profit from Zope, even if that

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPL and GPL

2001-06-27 Thread Paul Everitt
people that we're intending to give it a shot. --Paul Federico Di Gregorio wrote: hi, i wanted to draw myself from this thread before annoying the whole list, so i'll take paul mail as an excuse to write some final comments. On 27 Jun 2001 09:06:16 -0400, Paul Everitt wrote: 1) I wanted

Re: [Zope-dev] [Announce] API Documentation Fishbowl Project

2001-06-06 Thread Paul Everitt
Hmm, I'm surprised that 2 days has passed with no comment from zope-dev and no comments in the Wiki. I hear constant complaints about lack of a polished API. I expected this post to generate lots of interest. What say ye, zope-dev? Is this something we should be doing, or would you prefer a

Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Everitt
As one more example, Zope.org is currently at 4.8 Gb on FileStorage. --Paul R. David Murray wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My impression is that FileStorage implements a 32-bit id-type-thingy somewhere (look at ZODB docs, I think there is something about this

Re: [Zope-dev] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released

2001-06-01 Thread Paul Everitt
Lalo Martins wrote: By hoping that EC will go away soon, I assume they mean the PythonLabs folks are working on fixing this for once in Python itself. Right? That is correct. The point is, ExtensionClass machinery will go away but the functionality would remain, if Python changes in the

Re: [Zope-dev] License issues

2000-11-15 Thread Paul Everitt
Some quick points on this. First, feel free to talk on this list about ways that Zope developers can license their stuff. It's a constructive discussion, and since I'm not a Zope developer, I can ignore it. :^) Second, regarding the licensing of Zope itself, ChrisP is right that I'm the guy

Re: [Zope-dev] Do I really understanding caching?

2000-09-23 Thread Paul Everitt
Andy McKay wrote: What problem are you trying to solve -- response time, memory usage, disk usage? All of the above :) Describe some of the symptoms back on the list and let's talk about it there. For instance, you can trade RAM for performance by adjusting knobs on the catalog. --Paul

Re: [Zope-dev] HiperDOM xmlc

2000-09-18 Thread Paul Everitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. You've just described the "components" aspect of this idea, which was left out of the Paul's original post. A component is just a tag marked with a special attribute that names it (and its path, if it has been saved). It can contain other components, and

Re: [Zope-dev] HiperDOM xmlc

2000-09-17 Thread Paul Everitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, please don't call the solution "xHTML Template"; it's not xHTML, it's generic XML - it can easily be used for RSS or WML or MathML or NewsML for example. While it *can* be used that way (just as DTML can be used to send mail messages), that's not the real intent

Re: [Zope-dev] HiperDOM xmlc

2000-09-15 Thread Paul Everitt
I'm surprised that no one responded to this. (Or maybe people did and our continual email server problems have lost it.) I'd like to congratulate Hiperlogica, because they have (ding ding ding) the _right answer_! :^) Seriously, we at Digital Creations have been quietly formulating a proposal

[Zope-dev] DISCUSS: XHTML Templates proposal

2000-09-15 Thread Paul Everitt
Howdy folks. As advertised in my last email, below is our Fishbowl Proposal on a new template architecture. Some notes: 1) This mostly replaces DTML. As mentioned, the goal isn't necessarily to get DTML removed from Zope. Rather, most of the audience will see it little or none of the time.

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: XHTML Templates proposal

2000-09-15 Thread Paul Everitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, view, page, and stylesheet don't make the grade due to conflicts/confusion with unrelated technologies (e.g. MVC, "server pages", CSS, etc.). On the other hand, reading the "What is styles?" material at: http://www.w3.org/Style/ ...makes me think that the

[Zope-dev] PLEA: Provide feedback on OracleStorage

2000-09-03 Thread Paul Everitt
Hello sports fans. Last week we released a beta of OracleStorage. There was a pretty strong drumbeat in Zopeland for us to go ahead and get this out. We spent some extra time on the installation process and instructions to make sure it was straightforward to use. We at DC would like to get