Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/- Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-28 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martjin > Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/- > Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports > > Hey, > > Roger Ineichen wrote: > [snip] > > My fear is that deprecated imports will pull in packages and act as >

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/- Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Roger Ineichen wrote: [snip] > My fear is that deprecated imports will pull in packages > and act as the single point of an egg declaration. If someone > removes a dependency during a deprecation import cleanup lets > say zope.formlib in z3c.form from version 1.9.0 to 2.0.0 then > it's possib

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/- Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-28 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martijn > Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/- > Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports > > Hey, > > Stephan Richter wrote: > [snip] > > I have been following this discussion and just want to > mention that I

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/- Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, Stephan Richter wrote: [snip] > I have been following this discussion and just want to mention that I fully > agree with Roger. If you release a final version of Zope or a package that > spews deprecation warnings or has not fixed the imports, then this should be > considered bad releasing

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/ - Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, Roger Ineichen wrote: [snip] > The only thing I could say about this concept is that we > didn't start to remove #BBB marked imports. > > Just wait till we start remove the BBB imports and > the packages from install_requires ... Since we were hardly in a hurry removing deprecation war

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/- Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-27 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Paul > Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/- > Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:06:03PM +0200, Roger Ineichen wrote: > > I think there is something else wrong if someone is using code wit

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/ - Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-27 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:06:03PM +0200, Roger Ineichen wrote: > I think there is something else wrong if someone is using > code with deprecation warnings in a production setup. Do you not use any third-party code? Often, the deprecation warnings are emitted by code not under your control. - P

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/ - Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-27 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martijn > Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/ > - Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports > > Hi there, > > Before we have this discussion yet again, I will record the > official stance in the zope toolkit decisions document,

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/ - Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, Before we have this discussion yet again, I will record the official stance in the zope toolkit decisions document, and I'll quote it here: * When code moves to a new location to import it from (in the same or another package), use a ``from foo import bar`` statement, with a ``#B

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/ - Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports

2009-05-27 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Reinout > Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.app.http/trunk/ > - Replacedthedependency on zope.deprecation with BBB imports > > On 2009-05-26, Roger Ineichen wrote: > > Some people think it's better to have a nice clean log then > > deprecation warnin