Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-03 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: Yes, that is true for packages in zope. So, if I understand you correctly, I can use all packages, except those in zope.app, on their own, without having to rely on anything else, right? However, zope.app was designed as the application server and has thus many

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-03 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 03 February 2005 03:23, Chris Withers wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: Yes, that is true for packages in zope. So, if I understand you correctly, I can use all packages, except those in zope.app, on their own, without having to rely on anything else, right? However, zope.app was

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-03 Thread Jim Fulton
Chris Withers wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: Yes, that is true for packages in zope. So, if I understand you correctly, I can use all packages, except those in zope.app, on their own, without having to rely on anything else, right? No, but we try to restrict dependencies as much as possible. The

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:53:01AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: snip | I haven't decided | which parts of Zope 3 should be included in Zope 2.8 and would like to | get input. If you have suggestions on what to include or exclude, | please respond here or on the z3-file list,

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Paul Winkler wrote: +1 on all of those from me. However, I will be satisfied with anything that gets released as 2.8 sometime this year ;-) Absolutely. The top priority, IMO, is getting 2.8 out as soon as we can. Excuse me, but it seems bizarre to me that *if* the top priority

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-02 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: That's only to make things more easily deployable. Right now the hard part is however detaching Zope 3 stuff from its dependencies Really? That's extremely disappointing :-( The most important aim of Zope 3 from my POV was to be able to use as little or as much of it as

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-02 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 02 February 2005 05:28, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: That's only to make things more easily deployable. Right now the hard part is however detaching Zope 3 stuff from its dependencies Really? That's extremely disappointing :-( The most important aim of Zope 3

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 02 February 2005 05:28, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: That's only to make things more easily deployable. Right now the hard part is however detaching Zope 3 stuff from its dependencies Really? That's extremely disappointing :-( The most important

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-02 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Paul Winkler wrote: +1 on all of those from me. However, I will be satisfied with anything that gets released as 2.8 sometime this year ;-) Absolutely. The top priority, IMO, is getting 2.8 out as soon as we can. Excuse me, but it seems bizarre to me

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-02 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: ... Five has dependencies on zope.app, so to make Five use Zope 2.8 packages would require quite a bit of Zope 3 to be pulled in, or an awful lot of work to prevent it from being pulled in. I think Zope 3 is at a point where, if there are volunteers, it would be worthwhile

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: ... Five has dependencies on zope.app, so to make Five use Zope 2.8 packages would require quite a bit of Zope 3 to be pulled in, or an awful lot of work to prevent it from being pulled in. I think Zope 3 is at a point where, if there are volunteers, it

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-01 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: please respond here or on the z3-file list, Which list is this? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-02-01 Thread Jim Fulton
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: please respond here or on the z3-file list, Which list is this? z3-five, of course. :) http://codespeak.net/mailman/listinfo/z3-five Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714

[Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Jim Fulton
I've just checked in a change on the Zope 2 trunk for Zope 2.8 that renames the Zope package to Zope2. Importing the Zope module is now deprecated, but will be supported until Zope 2.11. When using the Zope head or Zope 2.8, you should import Zope2 instead. Originally, I had intended not to

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:53:01AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: snip | I haven't decided | which parts of Zope 3 should be included in Zope 2.8 and would like to | get input. If you have suggestions on what to include or exclude, | please respond here or on the z3-file list, where I am also posting |

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Lennart Regebro
I agree with Sidnei. Note that diskussions about the Zope2 + Zope3 pagetemplate issue arrived in the conclusion that, the faster we can get Zope3 pagetemplates back ported to Zope2, the happier we will be. ;) I have no idea if that is a big task or not.

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:25:15 +0100, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that diskussions about the Zope2 + Zope3 pagetemplate issue arrived in the conclusion that, the faster we can get Zope3 pagetemplates back ported to Zope2, the happier we will be. ;) I have no idea if that is a

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Dieter Maurer
... Zope3 packages useful in Zope 2 ... Sidnei da Silva wrote at 2005-1-31 14:03 -0200: ... Whatever we have in Five right now seems like a good subset. I haven't felt need for much more than that anyways. We have: - Adapters - Views - Menus - Some support for auto-generated forms I would

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Jim Fulton
Jim Fulton wrote: I've just checked in a change on the Zope 2 trunk for Zope 2.8 that renames the Zope package to Zope2. Importing the Zope module is now deprecated, but will be supported until Zope 2.11. Actually, that's 2.10. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Lennart Regebro
Fred Drake wrote: My goal is that the various packages involved in page template in Zope 2 become facades over the Zope 3 implementation. Same thing, IMO. ;-) -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 07:58:38PM +0100, Dieter Maurer wrote: ... Zope3 packages useful in Zope 2 ... Sidnei da Silva wrote at 2005-1-31 14:03 -0200: ... Whatever we have in Five right now seems like a good subset. I haven't felt need for much more than that anyways. We have: -

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Jim Fulton
Paul Winkler wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 07:58:38PM +0100, Dieter Maurer wrote: ... Zope3 packages useful in Zope 2 ... Sidnei da Silva wrote at 2005-1-31 14:03 -0200: ... Whatever we have in Five right now seems like a good subset. I haven't felt need for much more than that anyways. We have: