Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Erik Enge] | Forget it. My fault. *shame, shame* *chuckle* :-) -Morten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Erik Enge]
| On every view - a call to index_html() - it prints '{}' to stdout. Bug?
Forget it. My fault. *shame, shame*
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Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Morten W. Petersen]
| There's a new product available, which enables unique ids in a given context,
| take a look at http://www.zope.org/Members/morphex/ThreadSafeCounter>.
On every view - a call to index_html() - it prints '{}' to stdout. Bug?
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Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:27:24PM +, Toby Dickenson wrote: > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:27:02 +0100, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >The ZODB will invalidate and force a retry on one of the connections. > >Chris's code is threadsafe and will result in unique, sequential values. >** > > Unless a transaction gets retried for some other reason, when it will > appear to skip a value. To one thread, yes. But not to the whole application. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ - ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:27:02 +0100, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The ZODB will invalidate and force a retry on one of the connections. >Chris's code is threadsafe and will result in unique, sequential values. ** Unless a transaction gets retried for some other reason, when it will appear to skip a value. Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Wolfgang Strobl] | Well, yes. I wouldn't have expected that kind of platform | dependendy in products like AddressBook, though. Anyways, I'm looking into ways of making the threadsafe counter platform independent. Cheers, Morten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
On 12 Feb 2001, 12:01 Morten W. Petersen wrote: > [Wolfgang Strobl] > > | Doesn't even install on Windows, because it imports and uses fcntl. > | | >From the fcntl docs: "Availability: Unix". > > Well, the download page says "Platform: Generic UNIX-like", doesn't > it? Well, yes. I wouldn't have expected that kind of platform dependendy in products like AddressBook, though. -- o ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+49 2241) 14-2394 /\* GMD mbH #include _`\ `_<=== Schloss Birlinghoven, __(_)/_(_)___.-._ 53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Wolfgang Strobl] | Doesn't even install on Windows, because it imports and uses fcntl. | | >From the fcntl docs: "Availability: Unix". Well, the download page says "Platform: Generic UNIX-like", doesn't it? -Morten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
On 10 Feb 2001, 13:01 Morten W. Petersen wrote: > There's a new product available, which enables unique ids in a given > context, take a look at > http://www.zope.org/Members/morphex/ThreadSafeCounter>. Doesn't even install on Windows, because it imports and uses fcntl. >From the fcntl docs: "Availability: Unix". -- o ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+49 2241) 14-2394 /\* GMD mbH #include _`\ `_<=== Schloss Birlinghoven, __(_)/_(_)___.-._ 53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:31:04AM +0100, Morten W. Petersen wrote: > As I've understood it, two threads serving requests have a copy each of the > database, and only when changes are committed are they reflected in > the database. Therefore, two requests created at the same time could > get an identical copy and therefore and identical value. The ZODB will invalidate and force a retry on one of the connections. Chris's code is threadsafe and will result in unique, sequential values. See the ZODB UML documentation for details: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Developer/Models/ZODB/ -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ - ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Steve Alexander] | I'd thought the original point of ThreadSafeCounter was to provide | a simple sequential unique values generator, without causing | writes to the Data.fs. Yes, that was the original intent. But having one that's safe over multiple ZEO clients is a Very Good Thing (tm). :-) | You could look at using a MountableStorage that doesn't support | undo to get a similar benefit. This would also work with ZEO. | | Take a look in the Core Session Tracking product to see how | it is done there. | | Also, you may find Shane Hathaway's ExternalMount product useful. Thanks, much appreciated. -Morten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
Morten W. Petersen wrote: > [Erik Enge] > > | What happens if you run this with ZEO? Will the file be kept «in > | sync» with all ZEO Clients? > > Good point. I don't think so. It could be that it is kept in sync > with one Zope instance "being responsible" and the others calling > it via XML-RPC. I'd thought the original point of ThreadSafeCounter was to provide a simple sequential unique values generator, without causing writes to the Data.fs. You could look at using a MountableStorage that doesn't support undo to get a similar benefit. This would also work with ZEO. Take a look in the Core Session Tracking product to see how it is done there. Also, you may find Shane Hathaway's ExternalMount product useful. -- Steve Alexander Software Engineer Cat-Box limited http://www.cat-box.net ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Erik Enge] | What happens if you run this with ZEO? Will the file be kept «in | sync» with all ZEO Clients? Good point. I don't think so. It could be that it is kept in sync with one Zope instance "being responsible" and the others calling it via XML-RPC. Cheers, Morten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Morten W. Petersen] | There's a new product available, which enables unique ids in a given context, | take a look at http://www.zope.org/Members/morphex/ThreadSafeCounter>. What happens if you run this with ZEO? Will the file be kept «in sync» with all ZEO Clients? ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
[Chris Withers] | So would a counter such as: | | class PersistentCounter(Persistent): | | # create the counter | def __init__(self, value=0): | self._value = value | | # get the value of the counter without incrementing | def getValue(self): | return self._value | | # increment the counter when called, and return the new value | def __call__(self, number=1): | self._value = self._value + number | return self._value | | ...not be thread safe? I'm not sure whether the code above is thread safe or not. ThreadSafeCounter was made because I don't know enough about Zope internals to determine whether or not the counter would return unique values, nor do I know enough about threads to be completely sure that it would, every time. File locking is a simple concept, and easy to understand. As I've understood it, two threads serving requests have a copy each of the database, and only when changes are committed are they reflected in the database. Therefore, two requests created at the same time could get an identical copy and therefore and identical value. ..so, it basically boils down to the fact that it's simple to use file locking. Cheers, Morten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
Chris Withers wrote: > "Morten W. Petersen" wrote: > >> There's a new product available, which enables unique ids in a given context, >> take a look at http://www.zope.org/Members/morphex/ThreadSafeCounter>. > > > So would a counter such as: > > class PersistentCounter(Persistent): > > # create the counter > def __init__(self, value=0): > self._value = value > > # get the value of the counter without incrementing > def getValue(self): > return self._value > > # increment the counter when called, and return the new value > def __call__(self, number=1): > self._value = self._value + number > return self._value > > ...not be thread safe? > > If not, can anyone explain how it could be made thread safe? That's not the issue. Morten's product stores the counter's value in a file on the filesystem, and so it doesn't cause the Data.fs to grow. The trade-off is that it doesn't participate in history or undo. -- Steve Alexander Software Engineer Cat-Box limited http://www.cat-box.net ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
"Morten W. Petersen" wrote: > > There's a new product available, which enables unique ids in a given context, > take a look at http://www.zope.org/Members/morphex/ThreadSafeCounter>. So would a counter such as: class PersistentCounter(Persistent): # create the counter def __init__(self, value=0): self._value = value # get the value of the counter without incrementing def getValue(self): return self._value # increment the counter when called, and return the new value def __call__(self, number=1): self._value = self._value + number return self._value ...not be thread safe? If not, can anyone explain how it could be made thread safe? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] ThreadSafeCounter 0.0.1 released
Hi guys, There's a new product available, which enables unique ids in a given context, take a look at http://www.zope.org/Members/morphex/ThreadSafeCounter>. Cheers, Morten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
