[Zope-dev] how bad are per-request-write-transactions

2002-04-16 Thread Ivo van der Wijk
Hi, How bad are per-request transactions in a non-ZEO environment? I.e. each request on a folder or its subobjects will cause a write transaction (somewhat like a non-fs counter, but worse as it happens for all subobjects) And if this is really bad, are there any workarounds except for writing

[Zope-dev] death to index_html; ObjectManager?

2002-04-16 Thread Toby Dickenson
I am seeing some undesirable effects of the recent 'death to index_html' changes. Folders now have a 'Settings' tab to allow managers to change the default document. This is good. However, the implementation of this lies in the ObjectManager class. The browser-default capabilities may not make

[Zope-dev] Re: death to index_html; ObjectManager?

2002-04-16 Thread Casey Duncan
The implementation adds the API to manage browser default for all objectmanagers. However, no browser_default handler is actually added to the object unless you specify a default other than index_html What was the specific undesirable effects you were seeing? If it is agreed that this

Re: [Zope-dev] how bad are per-request-write-transactions

2002-04-16 Thread Casey Duncan
This will kill performance, especially concurrent use of the site. It will also cause large amounts of database bloat. Do you need real time numbers, or is a delay (such as 24 hours) acceptable? If you can stand a delay, another approach would be to write a script which scans the z2.log file

[Zope-dev] Re: death to index_html; ObjectManager?

2002-04-16 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Tuesday 16 Apr 2002 3:53 pm, Casey Duncan wrote: What was the specific undesirable effects you were seeing? 1. The extra tab in the management interface. 2. That an ObjectManager-derived classes might have a default method which is something other than index_html. (I havent digested this

Re: [Zope-dev] [RFClet]: What about the request method and the client side trojan?

2002-04-16 Thread Florent Guillaume
Oliver Bleutgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I repeat myself, implementing this proposal would give me a lot of options to prevent myself from this kind of attack, completely or partially. - In Internet Explorer I can disable javascript. (problem solved) - In Internet Explorer I

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: death to index_html; ObjectManager?

2002-04-16 Thread Jeffrey P Shell
On 4/16/02 8:53 AM, Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The implementation adds the API to manage browser default for all objectmanagers. However, no browser_default handler is actually added to the object unless you specify a default other than index_html What was the specific

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: death to index_html; ObjectManager?

2002-04-16 Thread Casey Duncan
Well I honestly hadn't considered that. So, I suppose changing to to a mix-in inherited by folder is better. However, you should know that the crux of this change is really to the publisher, the mixin is just the management piece. *any* object can define a browser_default hook that overrides

RE: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-16 Thread Brian Lloyd
...I sent out a note a while ago now trying to scare up some ideas on how to vet the current list of 2.6 proposals and get to a final plan. I didn't get much (any?) response :( I am, as the author of the dtml-set tag, of course willing to commit to the implementation of this tag

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: death to index_html; ObjectManager?

2002-04-16 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Casey Duncan wrote: However, you should know that the crux of this change is really to the publisher, the mixin is just the management piece. *any* object can define a browser_default hook that overrides 'index_html', not just objectmanagers. All the more reason to make

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Tuesday 16 April 2002 03:44 pm, Brian Lloyd wrote: ...I sent out a note a while ago now trying to scare up some ideas on how to vet the current list of 2.6 proposals and get to a final plan. I didn't get much (any?) response :( By the way, Brian, if I can with the remaining amount of

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-16 Thread Janko Hauser
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:47:49 -0400 Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I sent out a note a while ago now trying to scare up some ideas on how to vet the current list of 2.6 proposals and get to a final plan. I didn't get much (any?) response :( Hello Brian, just to give some feedback

Re: [Zope-dev] how bad are per-request-write-transactions

2002-04-16 Thread Eric Roby
I developed a profiler service for a production site about 8 months ago. I essentially did what you are asking. I needed to see how customers were using the various navigational elements and other services provided within the site layout. The logging service could not give me a sense of the