Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Baiju M
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, I just found out about this site: http://www.blueskyonmars.com/projects/paver/ I know that the author has used buildout in the past. He apparently decided to roll his own. I have no idea what the technical qualities of paver are. To get your attention,

[Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Brian Sutherland
I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS. The current development version of schooltool runs against this stack which includes most Zope 3.4 packages

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 final schedule?

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 08:19:55AM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, I asked already six weeks ago about the schedule for the final 3.4 release and got no reply so far. So once again the same question...how is in charge for doing the 3.4 release? I'm afraid nobody really is in charge

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:00:15PM +0530, Baiju M wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Our company (ZeOmega) is willing to volunteer to do this work. Jeff Rush, who presented a tutorial about Buildout in last PyCon will be helping us to create this site [1]. Cool! I think it is better not to

Re: [Zope-dev] Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:37:10AM +0200, Christophe Combelles wrote: Lennart Regebro a écrit : Microsites, microsites, microsites! If there are lots of people wanting to set up a bunch of microsites, I agree it would be better to have them. However, the site is needed for a long time

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 final schedule?

2008-04-23 Thread Christophe Combelles
Christian Theune a écrit : Hi, On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 08:19:55AM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, I asked already six weeks ago about the schedule for the final 3.4 release and got no reply so far. So once again the same question...how is in charge for doing the 3.4 release? I'm afraid

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 final schedule?

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:29:22AM +0200, Christophe Combelles wrote: Christian Theune a écrit : Hi, On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 08:19:55AM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, I asked already six weeks ago about the schedule for the final 3.4 release and got no reply so far. So once again the same

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:58:28AM +0200, Brian Sutherland wrote: I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS. The current development version of

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 final schedule?

2008-04-23 Thread Christophe Combelles
Christian Theune a écrit : Well. If there are updates that we want to be in the release (from your list zope.app.locales counts AFAICT) we need to do another release candidate. If we'd be good to release 3.4.0 right away, then there can't be any changes from the release candidate. (Getting minor

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 final schedule?

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:14:56AM +0200, Christophe Combelles wrote: Christian Theune a écrit : Well. If there are updates that we want to be in the release (from your list zope.app.locales counts AFAICT) we need to do another release candidate. If we'd be good to release 3.4.0 right away,

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Baiju M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Our company (ZeOmega) is willing to volunteer to do this work. Jeff Rush, who presented a tutorial about Buildout in last PyCon will be helping us to create this site [1]. Great! [we already had some private

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think it is better not to associate Buildout with zope.org domain. So, either we can create a new domain www.buildout.org or if you all agree a subdomain of python.org : buildout.python.org

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:45:16PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think it is better not to associate Buildout with zope.org domain. So, either we can create a new domain

[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 5 OK

2008-04-23 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Tue Apr 22 11:00:00 2008 UTC to Wed Apr 23 11:00:00 2008 UTC. There were 5 messages: 5 from Zope Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Tue Apr 22 20:59:15 EDT 2008 URL:

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [buildout.org versus buildout.zope.org] Agreed, we shouldn't hide ourselves. I think *.python.org is a step too far. What I do think is that it's good to let projects that *do* stand on their own stand

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Christophe Combelles
Christian Theune a écrit : True. Considering that the current zope.org effort hopefully won't die (when are we going to go live? Is there something like a check list or road map?) I will be working on it for 3 days at the Paris sprint Hope I will succeed in doing something useful... Right.

Re: [Zope.org Redux] Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I personally think we *must* introduce buildout somewhere in zope.org, but if someone also build a more complete separate site (with potentially a queriable repository of recipes), it's ok, and

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:10:19PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: I'm on the fence on this one. I think as long as the site *says* it's affiliated with the Zope project, the Zope community and the foundation, we're fine. You can argue both directions here: we might even *help* send the

[Zope-dev] Re: paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Christian Theune wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:10:19PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: I'm on the fence on this one. I think as long as the site *says* it's affiliated with the Zope project, the Zope community and the foundation, we're fine. You can argue both directions here: we might

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I still have the feeling we should spend time getting our story straight. For example: Why is zc.buildout a Zope project? The new site starts talking about the Zope libraries which people started

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Anyway, I'm not sure how produce it is to go into discussions like this either. Um, 'productive', not 'produce'. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

[Zope-dev] Re: paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Kent Tenney wrote: From Kevin's blog http://www.blueskyonmars.com/2008/04/22/paver-and-the-building-distribution-deployment-etc-of-python-projects/ (http://tinyurl.com/68sz6u) Very interesting. I hadn't seen that. I wonder *how* it is using buildout's machinery. Regards, Martijn

[Zope-dev] Re: paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Kent Tenney wrote: From Kevin's blog http://www.blueskyonmars.com/2008/04/22/paver-and-the-building-distribution-deployment-etc-of-python-projects/ (http://tinyurl.com/68sz6u) Very interesting. I hadn't seen that. I wonder *how* it is using buildout's machinery.

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:28:35PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: [...good pointers...] Anyway, I'm not sure how produce it is to go into discussions like this either. I'd rather not distract people from actually producing useful websites. :) It's definitely not productive in the way that it

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey Christian, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:28:35PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: [...good pointers...] Anyway, I'm not sure how produce it is to go into discussions like this either. I'd rather not distract

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:46:01PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend. You ask good questions and you make good comments. I just keep repeating this as it's just too easy to get into a what color should the bikeshed be discussion about naming and meaning.

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey Christian, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:46:01PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend. You ask good questions and you make good comments. I just keep repeating this as it's just

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Brian Sutherland wrote: I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS. Okay, so I think we should use the KGS and declare the set

[Zope-dev] Zope 2.9.9/Zope 2.10.6 releases

2008-04-23 Thread Andreas Jung
Hi, if there are no objections I'll do bugfixes releases for Zope 2.9 and 2.10 around May 11th. So fix what you have to fix in advance :-) Andreas pgpFxSb2U5HM0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Baiju M
- Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Baiju M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Our company (ZeOmega) is willing to volunteer to do this work. Jeff Rush, who presented a tutorial about Buildout in last PyCon will be helping us to

[Zope-dev] new zope.org, sphinx, and documentation management

2008-04-23 Thread Paul Carduner
Hi All, lots of small talk follows, scroll down to section for the main point of this email I guess I have officially volunteered to write content for the new zope.org site in the zope 3 section. Part of that involves describing what zope 3 is in a concise manner. I realize there are

[Zope-dev] Re: new zope.org, sphinx, and documentation management

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Paul, I guess I have officially volunteered to write content for the new zope.org site in the zope 3 section. Part of that involves describing what zope 3 is in a concise manner. I realize there are probably a lot of different opinions about what zope 3 is, so I would like to solicit the

Re: [Zope-dev] ZConfig 2.5.1 test failures

2008-04-23 Thread Marius Gedminas
Hi! On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 03:49:07PM -0700, Timothy Selivanow wrote: I'm getting a Traceback when running `python setup.py test` for ZConfig-2.5.1 as per the changelog. Attached is the output, let me know how I can help. I'm not a proficient python programmer; however, I'm more than

Re: [Zope-dev] new zope.org, sphinx, and documentation management

2008-04-23 Thread Christophe Combelles
Paul Carduner a écrit : * THE POINT OF THIS EMAIL IS BELOW * I would like to develop a buildout recipe that generates aggregated documentation for a package (like z3c.form) using sphynx and publishes it to the new zope.org website. I want updating of zope documentation on zope.org to

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Christophe Combelles
Marius Gedminas a écrit : On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:36:09AM -0700, Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Brian Sutherland wrote: I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based on the

[Zope-dev] Why I dislike narrative doctests

2008-04-23 Thread Marius Gedminas
Suppose I find a bug (say, zope.testing.testrunner.StartUpFailure objects make unittest.TextTestRunner cry). Being a good developer I want to start the bug fix with a unit test. Now if zope.testing used old-style isolated unit tests, I could open the tests.py (or tests/test_testrunner.py) in a

Re: [Zope-dev] Why I dislike narrative doctests

2008-04-23 Thread Sidnei da Silva
Can't you start a plain-old unittests module and stick your test in there? Is there any rule that says you cannot create a plain-old test module if the project you are fixing the bug in uses doctests? On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose I find a bug

Re: [Zope-dev] new zope.org, sphinx, and documentation management

2008-04-23 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 09:44:45PM +0200, Christophe Combelles wrote: Paul Carduner a écrit : * THE POINT OF THIS EMAIL IS BELOW * I would like to develop a buildout recipe that generates aggregated documentation for a package (like z3c.form) using sphynx and publishes it to the new

Re: [Zope-dev] Why I dislike narrative doctests

2008-04-23 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: Suppose I find a bug (say, zope.testing.testrunner.StartUpFailure objects make unittest.TextTestRunner cry). Being a good developer I want to start the bug fix with a unit test. Now if zope.testing used old-style isolated unit tests, I

Re: [Zope-dev] Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-23 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. Very much. Note that we are not forcing everyone to use this new site; it is perfectly possible for projects to setup their own site. And in that case we end up with two sites, one on Zope.org, and it's

Re: [Zope-dev] Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-23 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So let's just build a first nice zope.org with subfolders explaining the different projects because it's important to have just *something*. At least. Sure, that's fine. But that's just one page of explanation,

Re: [Zope-dev] Why I dislike narrative doctests

2008-04-23 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 05:22:29PM -0300, Sidnei da Silva wrote: Can't you start a plain-old unittests module and stick your test in there? Is there any rule that says you cannot create a plain-old test module if the project you are fixing the bug in uses doctests? I'll probably do that (since

Re: [Zope-dev] new zope.org, sphinx, and documentation management

2008-04-23 Thread Kent Tenney
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Carduner a écrit : * THE POINT OF THIS EMAIL IS BELOW * I would like to develop a buildout recipe that generates aggregated documentation for a package (like z3c.form) using sphynx and publishes

Re: [Zope.org Redux] Re: [Zope-dev] Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-23 Thread Lennart Regebro
Martins answer doens't seem to have arrived here, so sorry for the weird quoting: On 21 Apr 2008, at 11:53 , Martin Aspeli wrote: Does it really matter whether a microsite lives in zope.org/projects/zodb or zodb.zope.org? As mentioned, no.But it's important that it is it's own site, running

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Christophe Combelles
Marius Gedminas a écrit : On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 09:48:45PM +0200, Christophe Combelles wrote: Marius Gedminas a écrit : On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:36:09AM -0700, Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Brian Sutherland wrote: I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has

[Zope-dev] Re: Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Lennart Regebro wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So let's just build a first nice zope.org with subfolders explaining the different projects because it's important to have just *something*. At least. Sure, that's fine. But that's just

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope.org Redux] Re: Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Lennart Regebro wrote: Martins answer doens't seem to have arrived here, so sorry for the weird quoting: On 21 Apr 2008, at 11:53 , Martin Aspeli wrote: Does it really matter whether a microsite lives in zope.org/projects/zodb or zodb.zope.org? As mentioned, no.But it's important that it is

Re: [Zope-dev] Why I dislike narrative doctests

2008-04-23 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose I find a bug (say, zope.testing.testrunner.StartUpFailure objects make unittest.TextTestRunner cry). Being a good developer I want to start the bug fix with a unit test. ... I still maintain that: *

[Zope-dev] Re: new zope.org, sphinx, and documentation management

2008-04-23 Thread Simon Michael
Paul Carduner wrote: consumption than others). Few people know about this because the documentation is not aggregated anywhere (except for some bits on apidoc.zope.org). Not so! I recently did this at http://wiki.zope.org/zope3 . I hope it helps you.

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Baiju M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] OK, we decided to go ahead with this work. And we will be using a subdomain of zope.org and it will be hosted using ZF server infrastructure. I will contact Jens once content and site is ready. Great! To

Re: [Zope-dev] paver: buildout is utterly doomed

2008-04-23 Thread Baiju M
- Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Baiju M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] OK, we decided to go ahead with this work. And we will be using a subdomain of zope.org and it will be hosted using ZF server infrastructure. I will

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 09:58:02PM +0100, Martin Aspeli wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So let's just build a first nice zope.org with subfolders explaining the different projects because it's important to have

Re: [Zope-dev] Why I dislike narrative doctests

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 04:47:59PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: ... The point of my message was not to whine about the state of zope.testing, but to present a new argument against the current fashion of using plain-text narrative doctests

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: new zope.org, sphinx, and documentation management

2008-04-23 Thread Paul Carduner
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Martin Aspeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul, I've tried to sum up my understanding of how Zope 3 fits in with the Zope universe here: http://zode01.lovelysystems.com/projects Beyond that, I think Zope 3 is becoming more and more a collection of

Re: [Zope-dev] new zope.org, sphinx, and documentation management

2008-04-23 Thread Paul Carduner
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Carduner a écrit : * THE POINT OF THIS EMAIL IS BELOW * I would like to develop a buildout recipe that generates aggregated documentation for a package (like z3c.form) using sphynx and