RE: [Zope-dev] Zope, 4Zope and XML???

2000-12-04 Thread Todd Coram

Jay (and anyone else interested in Zope  XML),

A new focus/strategy has been taken regarding DC and Zope XML. Check out
http://www.egroups.com/message/zope-xml/531 and
http://www.egroups.com/message/zope-xml/533.

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 Of Jay, Dylan
 Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 1:02 AM
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 Subject: [Zope-dev] Zope, 4Zope and XML???


 I've been considering using XML within Zope as a kind of XML
 repository with
 versioning etc. I've been trying to follow what the developments with XML
 with regard to Zope are and I'm becoming very confused. There
 seems to have
 been some really good stuff coming up with regard to integration between
 fourthought XML tools and Zope but that was 6 months back. What has
 happened? From the looks of it fourthought have back out and are now
 creating their own persistent XML storage and 4Suite application server.

 I've read all the xml-wiki stuff but there doesn't seem to have been any
 actual code produced to improve support for XML in Zope for over 6 months.
 What there is is pretty behind the times. I'd really like to see
 XPath, XQL,
 XLink, XPointer all being well supported with some kind of heavy duty
 XMLRepository storage in Zope. I see Zope as the perfect place to put this
 sort of thing since it provides all the undo, versioning, transparent
 persistence to make it easy to work with XML. What's needed is support for
 more powerful query languages. I want to be able to use a Zope XML
 repository as an alternative to an RDBMS i.e. to store data for use in
 applications. I want to do this because RDBMS's are not so nice when it
 comes to the kind of structured information that XML is good at. I don't
 want to use straight Zope objects because I want a very loose coupling
 between my data and my interface (something that I see as a deficit in the
 default way Zope seems to promote development). I want to be able
 to examine
 my data in an independent way and take it out and use something
 else as the
 interface if necessary. XML lets me do that. RDBMS lets me do that.

 Anyway, what's the story with Zope and XML?

 
 Dylan Jay   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Avaya Communication Tel:   +61 2 9886-8961
 Level 5, 15 Talavera Road   FAX:   +61 2 9352 9224
 Nth Ryde NSW 2113   Mobile:0409 606 171
 AUSTRALIA

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[Zope-dev] Zope, 4Zope and XML???

2000-12-03 Thread Jay, Dylan

I've been considering using XML within Zope as a kind of XML repository with
versioning etc. I've been trying to follow what the developments with XML
with regard to Zope are and I'm becoming very confused. There seems to have
been some really good stuff coming up with regard to integration between
fourthought XML tools and Zope but that was 6 months back. What has
happened? From the looks of it fourthought have back out and are now
creating their own persistent XML storage and 4Suite application server. 

I've read all the xml-wiki stuff but there doesn't seem to have been any
actual code produced to improve support for XML in Zope for over 6 months.
What there is is pretty behind the times. I'd really like to see XPath, XQL,
XLink, XPointer all being well supported with some kind of heavy duty
XMLRepository storage in Zope. I see Zope as the perfect place to put this
sort of thing since it provides all the undo, versioning, transparent
persistence to make it easy to work with XML. What's needed is support for
more powerful query languages. I want to be able to use a Zope XML
repository as an alternative to an RDBMS i.e. to store data for use in
applications. I want to do this because RDBMS's are not so nice when it
comes to the kind of structured information that XML is good at. I don't
want to use straight Zope objects because I want a very loose coupling
between my data and my interface (something that I see as a deficit in the
default way Zope seems to promote development). I want to be able to examine
my data in an independent way and take it out and use something else as the
interface if necessary. XML lets me do that. RDBMS lets me do that.

Anyway, what's the story with Zope and XML?


Dylan Jay   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Avaya Communication Tel:   +61 2 9886-8961
Level 5, 15 Talavera Road   FAX:   +61 2 9352 9224
Nth Ryde NSW 2113   Mobile:0409 606 171
AUSTRALIA

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