Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-12 Thread Gary Poster

Hi.

1) If the projects for which I have volunteered are accepted as a goal for
Zope 2.6 then I have some work cut out for me, and I'd like to try to
schedule the necessary time intelligently and early.  Any ideas on when the
grocery list will be evaluated?

2) If we had a brief Zope 2.6 style guide, similar to the Zope 3 stuff, that
would be cool.  In particular I'd like to be able to see state of the art
2.x ZC unit test approaches.  Just point to a canonical example in Zope 2.5
or CMF, maybe?  Is ZUnit (https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunit/) becoming
canonical?  A lighter-weight solution?

Thanks

Gary




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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-08 Thread Ivo van der Wijk

On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 05:40:39PM -0500, Brian Lloyd wrote:
 Hi all - 
 
 
 I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look 
 this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something 
 that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it 
 yourself if you like (its a wiki).
 

Is it too late for new proposals? A lot of people seem to want the
dtml-set tag to go into the main distribution. I know that ZPT is the
way to go, but DTML will stick around for a while, and dtml-set
makes coding DTML more bearable.

If you don't know the dtml-set tag, have a look at 

http://www.zope.org/Members/ivo/SetTag

Cheers,

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-07 Thread Craeg K. Strong

Stephan Richter wrote:

 I am afraid I must second this opinion.  We recently looked at 
 OrderedFolder, thinking to subclass it
 to produce our Slideshow product.   The idea was to make a 
 lightweight web-based replacement for PowerPoint
 where you can define the order of the slides and can hide/show them 
 individually.

 Actually, there SmartWizard (of course built with OF), whcih can be 
 used for Slideshows. I used it for all my talks last year.

For some reason we missed that one :-( Of course, we also wanted 
functionality like selectively hiding slides
(that way you can have lots of slides in a standard slideshow and choose 
subsets for a particular presentation).
Still, the Products _are_ quite similar.  

We might be able to collaborate, but I suspect the Zope-2 architectural 
limitations will make it pretty difficult.
For example, we have three products that are related by inheritance, and 
even though _we_ wrote all of them,
it was interesting how much extra work it was to make them extensible in 
this way.   With the Zope-3 architecture
it would be _much_ easier.

 We found that it was actually easier to create our own 
 OrderedFolder base class and subclass it rather than
 use OF because of the extra functionality we did not want.

 Really? You should just have used OrderedObjectManager as base class.

Are you referring to the latest (0.4 IIRC) release?  We did our work 
before that came out...

 I am willing to help out.   I would love to see this functionality in 
 2.6 and carry it forward to 3.0...

 Ordering and the Limit code is already in the Zope 3 core. The 
 advanced Folder version there is know as LoadedFolder. 

Excellent!   I think Zope-3 anticipation is building to a fever 
pitch ;-)

--Craeg


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Martijn Faassen

Gary Poster wrote:
 So, um, Stephan, any ideas?  :-)  I know you are busy, but are you
 interested in getting this in 2.6?  I could help with testing as before, but
 I'd prefer to have you signed on as the primary resource.

I don't know OrderedFolder very well but it'd be very useful in several
of my projects, so I can volunteer a bit of time in helping to get it
in Zope 2.6 as well.

Regards,

Martijn


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SV: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Magnus Heino



 I don't know OrderedFolder very well but it'd be very useful in several
 of my projects, so I can volunteer a bit of time in helping to get it
 in Zope 2.6 as well.

I'd rather see that you used your time to put Formulator into 2.6 :-P

/Magnus

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Joachim Werner

 I don't know OrderedFolder very well but it'd be very useful in several
 of my projects, so I can volunteer a bit of time in helping to get it
 in Zope 2.6 as well.


Hi Martijn!

If you do so, please check with me for the newest version of Ordered Folder.
I have added a few features to OrderedFolder that I need for Kontentor. Some
of them might be candidates for Zope 2.6, others maybe not.

Currently, OrderedFolder has:

- ordering support
- filters (from the FolderFilter Product)
- a maximum items support (not fully implemented yet)
- properties to define a custom icon and MetaType
- integrated transparency as an option (from Transparent Folders)
- subobject type support

Cheers

Joachim


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Joachim Werner

Hi!

 That is Stephan's product, not mine, and it *may* have some issues in
 certain OS distributions (based on my experiences and another user's).
So,
 it cannot be added itself without some work--further testing work if
nothing
 else.

What kind of problems does OrderedFolder have? There is no OS-specific code
AFAIK. It is possible that there are browser-specific issues in the
frontend. But those would be easy to fix ...

Joachim


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Gary Poster

From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Hi!

 What kind of problems does OrderedFolder have? There is no OS-specific
code
 AFAIK. It is possible that there are browser-specific issues in the
 frontend. But those would be easy to fix ...

Hi :-)

In certain circumstances, if you install OrderedFolder (0.5.1 is last I
checked) without ZBabel, *all* of the buttons on the main OrderedFolder
management page will have None for their label.  I have not had time to
narrow down what those certain circumstances are, but my iMeme FreeBSD
Zope does exhibit the error, and my Windows box does not.  When I have a
second to breathe I'll try it on Linux with a completely clean Zope install.
One other beta tester of VirtualHostFolder reported this error with
OrderedFolder; I have not gathered information from him as to his OS etc.
It may also occur only when you configure OrderedFolder in a certain way.

My beta tester reported that if you installed ZBabel the problem went away.
I have not tested this on my FreeBSD Zope.

So--who knows.  This needs some testing, if nothing else.  I'll get around
to it when I can, because Stephan said he was unable to replicate the error.
Obviously, I didn't exactly give the most complete bug report ever.  It may
be an interaction problem or anything.  It looks like I won't have much of a
chance to look at this myself until next week.

Thanks

Gary



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Stephan Richter

At 10:40 AM 3/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:
From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  Hi!
 
  What kind of problems does OrderedFolder have? There is no OS-specific
code
  AFAIK. It is possible that there are browser-specific issues in the
  frontend. But those would be easy to fix ...

Hi :-)

In certain circumstances, if you install OrderedFolder (0.5.1 is last I
checked) without ZBabel, *all* of the buttons on the main OrderedFolder
management page will have None for their label.  I have not had time to
narrow down what those certain circumstances are, but my iMeme FreeBSD
Zope does exhibit the error, and my Windows box does not.  When I have a
second to breathe I'll try it on Linux with a completely clean Zope install.
One other beta tester of VirtualHostFolder reported this error with
OrderedFolder; I have not gathered information from him as to his OS etc.
It may also occur only when you configure OrderedFolder in a certain way.

My beta tester reported that if you installed ZBabel the problem went away.
I have not tested this on my FreeBSD Zope.

So--who knows.  This needs some testing, if nothing else.  I'll get around
to it when I can, because Stephan said he was unable to replicate the error.
Obviously, I didn't exactly give the most complete bug report ever.  It may
be an interaction problem or anything.  It looks like I won't have much of a
chance to look at this myself until next week.

If OF will make it in the core, the ZBabel stuff will be taken out of it in 
anyway, since no part of Zope has something like that in it. I am also 
tempted to say that only the ordering module should go in (maybe the limit 
as well), since other functionality seems too specific.

Regards,
Stephan

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Gary Poster

From: Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 If OF will make it in the core, the ZBabel stuff will be taken out of it
in
 anyway, since no part of Zope has something like that in it. I am also
 tempted to say that only the ordering module should go in (maybe the limit
 as well), since other functionality seems too specific.

Hey Stephan.  Makes sense.  Maybe that would imply either a different name
for the core product (OrderedFolderLite is a bad example of the idea, for
instance) or some other similar accommodation for the fact that your full
product will certainly still be needed/wanted in certain cases.

I'd feel comfortable extracting the ordering stuff into a new lite
product, if you wanted, but I have not looked at the limiting functionality.
Do you or Joachim have time to do this yourselves, or to be a part of this
somehow?

Finally, is there any feeling for just adding the ordering functionality to
the standard Zope folder/ObjectManager?  Perhaps including a button and an
API to hide/show the ordering tools?  What do folks think?

Gary


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Craeg K. Strong

Stephan Richter wrote:

 If OF will make it in the core, the ZBabel stuff will be taken out of 
 it in anyway, since no part of Zope has something like that in it. I 
 am also tempted to say that only the ordering module should go in 
 (maybe the limit as well), since other functionality seems too specific.

 Regards,
 Stephan 

I am afraid I must second this opinion.  We recently looked at 
OrderedFolder, thinking to subclass it
to produce our Slideshow product.   The idea was to make a lightweight 
web-based replacement for PowerPoint
where you can define the order of the slides and can hide/show them 
individually.

We found that it was actually easier to create our own OrderedFolder 
base class and subclass it rather than
use OF because of the extra functionality we did not want.

Of course, the extra functionality is probably really useful for some 
people.  My vote would be to include
_some_ additional functionality like defined orderings in the Zope3 
core, and keep OF as a third party extension product
which people can use or not.  The Zope3 version of OF would then be 
simpler, as it would only have the remaining
functionality (like reverse acquisition, setting a max limit on number 
of items, etc.)

To summarize,

I would like to see regular Zope Folders enhanced to optionally have 
some notion of type
( a la  Brian's Zope 2.6 proposal Object Type Assocation And Death To 
index_html  )
and basic ordering

I am willing to help out.   I would love to see this functionality in 
2.6 and carry it forward to 3.0...

my 2c,

--Craeg





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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Stephan Richter


I am afraid I must second this opinion.  We recently looked at 
OrderedFolder, thinking to subclass it
to produce our Slideshow product.   The idea was to make a lightweight 
web-based replacement for PowerPoint
where you can define the order of the slides and can hide/show them 
individually.

Actually, there SmartWizard (of course built with OF), whcih can be used 
for Slideshows. I used it for all my talks last year.

We found that it was actually easier to create our own OrderedFolder 
base class and subclass it rather than
use OF because of the extra functionality we did not want.

Really? You should just have used OrderedObjectManager as base class.

I am willing to help out.   I would love to see this functionality in 2.6 
and carry it forward to 3.0...

Ordering and the Limit code is already in the Zope 3 core. The advanced 
Folder version there is know as LoadedFolder.

Regards,
Stephan

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-05 Thread Lennart Regebro

From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures

 I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look
 this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something
 that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it
 yourself if you like (its a wiki).

 The next step will be to whittle down the proposals, so if anyone
 wants to add to the list (or volunteer themselves for something on
 it), now is the time. At this point there are as many items without
 volunteers as with, so please don't add any more proposals to the
 list unless you are also volunteering :)

Well, lets fix one of those things. :-)
The Enhanced virtual hosting part of the Enhanced virtual hosting / local
roles blacklist entry is really the same as the Virtual Host Folder
further down, so that has a volunteer. And we at torped (That is me and
Johan Carlsson) could do the Local roles blacklist part.

We are not contributors yes, but Paul E suggested that we'd become that to
fix some bugs that we want fixed in 2.5.1, and then we could do this also.



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-05 Thread Christian Theune

Howdi.

Well I saw the cookie crumbler wish has been added to the list already,
and (as i tested it out this moment) don't see what exactly needs to
be done than adding it by default to the root userfolder. 
Well, probably some facelifting to the default login, thats not 
urgent in any way but if wished i would do that. 

If I am wrong with the assumption above, tell me, and tell me what 
still needs to be done, then you can assign me to it (I am not a contributor
currently, but sending in patches to the contributors is ok for me.)

Greetings

Christian

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-05 Thread Matt Behrens

Christian Theune wrote:

 Well I saw the cookie crumbler wish has been added to the list already,
 and (as i tested it out this moment) don't see what exactly needs to
 be done than adding it by default to the root userfolder. 
 Well, probably some facelifting to the default login, thats not 
 urgent in any way but if wished i would do that. 

Well, as far as least-intrusive, CC loses some points by not being 
compatible with some of the user folders that do their own cookie auth, 
although that's arguably not CC's fault.

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RE: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-05 Thread Brian Lloyd

 Well, lets fix one of those things. :-)
 The Enhanced virtual hosting part of the Enhanced virtual
 hosting / local
 roles blacklist entry is really the same as the Virtual Host Folder
 further down, so that has a volunteer. And we at torped (That is me and
 Johan Carlsson) could do the Local roles blacklist part.

 We are not contributors yes, but Paul E suggested that we'd become that to
 fix some bugs that we want fixed in 2.5.1, and then we could do this also.

Great - I've update the proposed feature list.


Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Software Engineer  540.361.1716
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-05 Thread Chris McDonough

I've also added the idea of a Startup Script Directory as a potential for
Zope 2.5.  This would be a filesystem directory that folks could place
scripts that followed some sort of API which allowed them to make changes to
a Zope site at startup - useful for en-masse data migration due to Product
code changes.

- C

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From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated


  Well, lets fix one of those things. :-)
  The Enhanced virtual hosting part of the Enhanced virtual
  hosting / local
  roles blacklist entry is really the same as the Virtual Host Folder
  further down, so that has a volunteer. And we at torped (That is me and
  Johan Carlsson) could do the Local roles blacklist part.
 
  We are not contributors yes, but Paul E suggested that we'd become that
to
  fix some bugs that we want fixed in 2.5.1, and then we could do this
also.

 Great - I've update the proposed feature list.


 Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Software Engineer  540.361.1716
 Zope Corporation   http://www.zope.com



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-05 Thread Gary Poster

If the VirtualHostFolder is included, that will mean OrderedFolder is also
incorporated in 2.6.  I think OrderedFolder should be added as its own item
to the proposed features list for individual consideration.

Then the question of Resources arises.

That is Stephan's product, not mine, and it *may* have some issues in
certain OS distributions (based on my experiences and another user's).  So,
it cannot be added itself without some work--further testing work if nothing
else.

Therefore, it needs a volunteer, and that volunteer should logically be
Stephan.  Stephan is busy with Zope3 at the moment.  I have done some
tweaking of OrderedFolder, and I am willing to help further, but he and I
have different coding styles that made a previous collaboration a bit
inefficient.  OrderedFolder is Stephan's, and he should feel happy with how
it is incorporated in 2.6.

So, um, Stephan, any ideas?  :-)  I know you are busy, but are you
interested in getting this in 2.6?  I could help with testing as before, but
I'd prefer to have you signed on as the primary resource.

This would be a prerequisite for including VirtualHostFolder in any
distribution.

Thanks, all

Gary


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[Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-04 Thread Brian Lloyd

Hi all - 

I'm glad to see a thriving thread on 2.6 features :) To try to 
keep things manageable, I've created a project in the fishbowl 
at:

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/

...to start getting the effort organized. In particular, I spent 
some time today going through the call for contributors thread 
and harvesting the various proposals:

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures

I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look 
this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something 
that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it 
yourself if you like (its a wiki).

The next step will be to whittle down the proposals, so if anyone 
wants to add to the list (or volunteer themselves for something on 
it), now is the time. At this point there are as many items without 
volunteers as with, so please don't add any more proposals to the 
list unless you are also volunteering :)



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-04 Thread Matthew T. Kromer

Brian Lloyd wrote:



http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures

I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look 
this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something 
that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it 
yourself if you like (its a wiki).


To stir things up some more: for my part, I don't like seeing we need 
feature X without the corresponding I'll volunteer to write feature 
X.  Items that dont get contributed probably are not going to survive. 
  It's probably also worthwhile to consider how do I make the least 
intrusive contribution as well, such that we don't end up with 
highly-conflicting contributions.   Products form fairly unintrusive 
contributions.  Changes to ZServer cause headaches.  :)  I *really like* 
bugfixes or feature fixes though.

-- 
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