Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Hi. 1) If the projects for which I have volunteered are accepted as a goal for Zope 2.6 then I have some work cut out for me, and I'd like to try to schedule the necessary time intelligently and early. Any ideas on when the grocery list will be evaluated? 2) If we had a brief Zope 2.6 style guide, similar to the Zope 3 stuff, that would be cool. In particular I'd like to be able to see state of the art 2.x ZC unit test approaches. Just point to a canonical example in Zope 2.5 or CMF, maybe? Is ZUnit (https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunit/) becoming canonical? A lighter-weight solution? Thanks Gary ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 05:40:39PM -0500, Brian Lloyd wrote: Hi all - I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it yourself if you like (its a wiki). Is it too late for new proposals? A lot of people seem to want the dtml-set tag to go into the main distribution. I know that ZPT is the way to go, but DTML will stick around for a while, and dtml-set makes coding DTML more bearable. If you don't know the dtml-set tag, have a look at http://www.zope.org/Members/ivo/SetTag Cheers, Ivo -- Drs. I.R. van der Wijk -=- Brouwersgracht 132 Amaze Internet Services V.O.F. 1013 HA Amsterdam, NL -=- Tel: +31-20-4688336 Linux/Web/Zope/SQL/MMBase Fax: +31-20-4688337 Network Solutions Web: http://www.amaze.nl/Consultancy Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Stephan Richter wrote: I am afraid I must second this opinion. We recently looked at OrderedFolder, thinking to subclass it to produce our Slideshow product. The idea was to make a lightweight web-based replacement for PowerPoint where you can define the order of the slides and can hide/show them individually. Actually, there SmartWizard (of course built with OF), whcih can be used for Slideshows. I used it for all my talks last year. For some reason we missed that one :-( Of course, we also wanted functionality like selectively hiding slides (that way you can have lots of slides in a standard slideshow and choose subsets for a particular presentation). Still, the Products _are_ quite similar. We might be able to collaborate, but I suspect the Zope-2 architectural limitations will make it pretty difficult. For example, we have three products that are related by inheritance, and even though _we_ wrote all of them, it was interesting how much extra work it was to make them extensible in this way. With the Zope-3 architecture it would be _much_ easier. We found that it was actually easier to create our own OrderedFolder base class and subclass it rather than use OF because of the extra functionality we did not want. Really? You should just have used OrderedObjectManager as base class. Are you referring to the latest (0.4 IIRC) release? We did our work before that came out... I am willing to help out. I would love to see this functionality in 2.6 and carry it forward to 3.0... Ordering and the Limit code is already in the Zope 3 core. The advanced Folder version there is know as LoadedFolder. Excellent! I think Zope-3 anticipation is building to a fever pitch ;-) --Craeg ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Gary Poster wrote: So, um, Stephan, any ideas? :-) I know you are busy, but are you interested in getting this in 2.6? I could help with testing as before, but I'd prefer to have you signed on as the primary resource. I don't know OrderedFolder very well but it'd be very useful in several of my projects, so I can volunteer a bit of time in helping to get it in Zope 2.6 as well. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
SV: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
I don't know OrderedFolder very well but it'd be very useful in several of my projects, so I can volunteer a bit of time in helping to get it in Zope 2.6 as well. I'd rather see that you used your time to put Formulator into 2.6 :-P /Magnus ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
I don't know OrderedFolder very well but it'd be very useful in several of my projects, so I can volunteer a bit of time in helping to get it in Zope 2.6 as well. Hi Martijn! If you do so, please check with me for the newest version of Ordered Folder. I have added a few features to OrderedFolder that I need for Kontentor. Some of them might be candidates for Zope 2.6, others maybe not. Currently, OrderedFolder has: - ordering support - filters (from the FolderFilter Product) - a maximum items support (not fully implemented yet) - properties to define a custom icon and MetaType - integrated transparency as an option (from Transparent Folders) - subobject type support Cheers Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Hi! That is Stephan's product, not mine, and it *may* have some issues in certain OS distributions (based on my experiences and another user's). So, it cannot be added itself without some work--further testing work if nothing else. What kind of problems does OrderedFolder have? There is no OS-specific code AFAIK. It is possible that there are browser-specific issues in the frontend. But those would be easy to fix ... Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! What kind of problems does OrderedFolder have? There is no OS-specific code AFAIK. It is possible that there are browser-specific issues in the frontend. But those would be easy to fix ... Hi :-) In certain circumstances, if you install OrderedFolder (0.5.1 is last I checked) without ZBabel, *all* of the buttons on the main OrderedFolder management page will have None for their label. I have not had time to narrow down what those certain circumstances are, but my iMeme FreeBSD Zope does exhibit the error, and my Windows box does not. When I have a second to breathe I'll try it on Linux with a completely clean Zope install. One other beta tester of VirtualHostFolder reported this error with OrderedFolder; I have not gathered information from him as to his OS etc. It may also occur only when you configure OrderedFolder in a certain way. My beta tester reported that if you installed ZBabel the problem went away. I have not tested this on my FreeBSD Zope. So--who knows. This needs some testing, if nothing else. I'll get around to it when I can, because Stephan said he was unable to replicate the error. Obviously, I didn't exactly give the most complete bug report ever. It may be an interaction problem or anything. It looks like I won't have much of a chance to look at this myself until next week. Thanks Gary ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
At 10:40 AM 3/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! What kind of problems does OrderedFolder have? There is no OS-specific code AFAIK. It is possible that there are browser-specific issues in the frontend. But those would be easy to fix ... Hi :-) In certain circumstances, if you install OrderedFolder (0.5.1 is last I checked) without ZBabel, *all* of the buttons on the main OrderedFolder management page will have None for their label. I have not had time to narrow down what those certain circumstances are, but my iMeme FreeBSD Zope does exhibit the error, and my Windows box does not. When I have a second to breathe I'll try it on Linux with a completely clean Zope install. One other beta tester of VirtualHostFolder reported this error with OrderedFolder; I have not gathered information from him as to his OS etc. It may also occur only when you configure OrderedFolder in a certain way. My beta tester reported that if you installed ZBabel the problem went away. I have not tested this on my FreeBSD Zope. So--who knows. This needs some testing, if nothing else. I'll get around to it when I can, because Stephan said he was unable to replicate the error. Obviously, I didn't exactly give the most complete bug report ever. It may be an interaction problem or anything. It looks like I won't have much of a chance to look at this myself until next week. If OF will make it in the core, the ZBabel stuff will be taken out of it in anyway, since no part of Zope has something like that in it. I am also tempted to say that only the ordering module should go in (maybe the limit as well), since other functionality seems too specific. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student Web2k - Web Design/Development Technical Project Management ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
From: Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] If OF will make it in the core, the ZBabel stuff will be taken out of it in anyway, since no part of Zope has something like that in it. I am also tempted to say that only the ordering module should go in (maybe the limit as well), since other functionality seems too specific. Hey Stephan. Makes sense. Maybe that would imply either a different name for the core product (OrderedFolderLite is a bad example of the idea, for instance) or some other similar accommodation for the fact that your full product will certainly still be needed/wanted in certain cases. I'd feel comfortable extracting the ordering stuff into a new lite product, if you wanted, but I have not looked at the limiting functionality. Do you or Joachim have time to do this yourselves, or to be a part of this somehow? Finally, is there any feeling for just adding the ordering functionality to the standard Zope folder/ObjectManager? Perhaps including a button and an API to hide/show the ordering tools? What do folks think? Gary ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Stephan Richter wrote: If OF will make it in the core, the ZBabel stuff will be taken out of it in anyway, since no part of Zope has something like that in it. I am also tempted to say that only the ordering module should go in (maybe the limit as well), since other functionality seems too specific. Regards, Stephan I am afraid I must second this opinion. We recently looked at OrderedFolder, thinking to subclass it to produce our Slideshow product. The idea was to make a lightweight web-based replacement for PowerPoint where you can define the order of the slides and can hide/show them individually. We found that it was actually easier to create our own OrderedFolder base class and subclass it rather than use OF because of the extra functionality we did not want. Of course, the extra functionality is probably really useful for some people. My vote would be to include _some_ additional functionality like defined orderings in the Zope3 core, and keep OF as a third party extension product which people can use or not. The Zope3 version of OF would then be simpler, as it would only have the remaining functionality (like reverse acquisition, setting a max limit on number of items, etc.) To summarize, I would like to see regular Zope Folders enhanced to optionally have some notion of type ( a la Brian's Zope 2.6 proposal Object Type Assocation And Death To index_html ) and basic ordering I am willing to help out. I would love to see this functionality in 2.6 and carry it forward to 3.0... my 2c, --Craeg ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
I am afraid I must second this opinion. We recently looked at OrderedFolder, thinking to subclass it to produce our Slideshow product. The idea was to make a lightweight web-based replacement for PowerPoint where you can define the order of the slides and can hide/show them individually. Actually, there SmartWizard (of course built with OF), whcih can be used for Slideshows. I used it for all my talks last year. We found that it was actually easier to create our own OrderedFolder base class and subclass it rather than use OF because of the extra functionality we did not want. Really? You should just have used OrderedObjectManager as base class. I am willing to help out. I would love to see this functionality in 2.6 and carry it forward to 3.0... Ordering and the Limit code is already in the Zope 3 core. The advanced Folder version there is know as LoadedFolder. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student Web2k - Web Design/Development Technical Project Management ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it yourself if you like (its a wiki). The next step will be to whittle down the proposals, so if anyone wants to add to the list (or volunteer themselves for something on it), now is the time. At this point there are as many items without volunteers as with, so please don't add any more proposals to the list unless you are also volunteering :) Well, lets fix one of those things. :-) The Enhanced virtual hosting part of the Enhanced virtual hosting / local roles blacklist entry is really the same as the Virtual Host Folder further down, so that has a volunteer. And we at torped (That is me and Johan Carlsson) could do the Local roles blacklist part. We are not contributors yes, but Paul E suggested that we'd become that to fix some bugs that we want fixed in 2.5.1, and then we could do this also. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Howdi. Well I saw the cookie crumbler wish has been added to the list already, and (as i tested it out this moment) don't see what exactly needs to be done than adding it by default to the root userfolder. Well, probably some facelifting to the default login, thats not urgent in any way but if wished i would do that. If I am wrong with the assumption above, tell me, and tell me what still needs to be done, then you can assign me to it (I am not a contributor currently, but sending in patches to the contributors is ok for me.) Greetings Christian -- Christian Theune - [EMAIL PROTECTED] gocept gmbh co.kg - schalaunische strasse 6 - 06366 koethen/anhalt tel.+49 3496 3099112 - fax.+49 3496 3099118 mob. - 0178 48 33 981 reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,[chr(ord(x)^42) for x in 'zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b']) msg09579/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Christian Theune wrote: Well I saw the cookie crumbler wish has been added to the list already, and (as i tested it out this moment) don't see what exactly needs to be done than adding it by default to the root userfolder. Well, probably some facelifting to the default login, thats not urgent in any way but if wished i would do that. Well, as far as least-intrusive, CC loses some points by not being compatible with some of the user folders that do their own cookie auth, although that's arguably not CC's fault. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Well, lets fix one of those things. :-) The Enhanced virtual hosting part of the Enhanced virtual hosting / local roles blacklist entry is really the same as the Virtual Host Folder further down, so that has a volunteer. And we at torped (That is me and Johan Carlsson) could do the Local roles blacklist part. We are not contributors yes, but Paul E suggested that we'd become that to fix some bugs that we want fixed in 2.5.1, and then we could do this also. Great - I've update the proposed feature list. Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer 540.361.1716 Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
I've also added the idea of a Startup Script Directory as a potential for Zope 2.5. This would be a filesystem directory that folks could place scripts that followed some sort of API which allowed them to make changes to a Zope site at startup - useful for en-masse data migration due to Product code changes. - C - Original Message - From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated Well, lets fix one of those things. :-) The Enhanced virtual hosting part of the Enhanced virtual hosting / local roles blacklist entry is really the same as the Virtual Host Folder further down, so that has a volunteer. And we at torped (That is me and Johan Carlsson) could do the Local roles blacklist part. We are not contributors yes, but Paul E suggested that we'd become that to fix some bugs that we want fixed in 2.5.1, and then we could do this also. Great - I've update the proposed feature list. Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer 540.361.1716 Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
If the VirtualHostFolder is included, that will mean OrderedFolder is also incorporated in 2.6. I think OrderedFolder should be added as its own item to the proposed features list for individual consideration. Then the question of Resources arises. That is Stephan's product, not mine, and it *may* have some issues in certain OS distributions (based on my experiences and another user's). So, it cannot be added itself without some work--further testing work if nothing else. Therefore, it needs a volunteer, and that volunteer should logically be Stephan. Stephan is busy with Zope3 at the moment. I have done some tweaking of OrderedFolder, and I am willing to help further, but he and I have different coding styles that made a previous collaboration a bit inefficient. OrderedFolder is Stephan's, and he should feel happy with how it is incorporated in 2.6. So, um, Stephan, any ideas? :-) I know you are busy, but are you interested in getting this in 2.6? I could help with testing as before, but I'd prefer to have you signed on as the primary resource. This would be a prerequisite for including VirtualHostFolder in any distribution. Thanks, all Gary ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Hi all - I'm glad to see a thriving thread on 2.6 features :) To try to keep things manageable, I've created a project in the fishbowl at: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ ...to start getting the effort organized. In particular, I spent some time today going through the call for contributors thread and harvesting the various proposals: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it yourself if you like (its a wiki). The next step will be to whittle down the proposals, so if anyone wants to add to the list (or volunteer themselves for something on it), now is the time. At this point there are as many items without volunteers as with, so please don't add any more proposals to the list unless you are also volunteering :) Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer 540.361.1716 Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated
Brian Lloyd wrote: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it yourself if you like (its a wiki). To stir things up some more: for my part, I don't like seeing we need feature X without the corresponding I'll volunteer to write feature X. Items that dont get contributed probably are not going to survive. It's probably also worthwhile to consider how do I make the least intrusive contribution as well, such that we don't end up with highly-conflicting contributions. Products form fairly unintrusive contributions. Changes to ZServer cause headaches. :) I *really like* bugfixes or feature fixes though. -- Matt Kromer Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )