[Zope-dev] Zope world (Was: Test fixture concepts)

2011-03-28 Thread Sebastien Douche
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 15:18, Wolfgang Schnerring w...@gocept.com wrote:

Hi folks,

 An honest counter question: Why not use zope.testrunner? What
 advantages does py.test offer?

On the technical side, I don't know. But from my point of view, the
most important thing is the social side. I'm a bit tired to be
compartmentalized : you must use generics tools (Nose, WebOb,
Paster...) or Zope tools (Zope3, KGS, zope.testbrowser, zope.testing,
zc.buildout, z3c.testsetup...). Pyramid is the first step in the right
direction : the fusion of 3 communities (bfg, pylons, tg) with some
Zope ideas. Thanks so much Chris and Ben, for the first time in my
Python life, I see a fusion and not a fork. PSF said at last Pycon
PSF is the Python foundation, not the CPython foundation and offers
10k$ to PyPy.

Sincerely, you rock my word: Buildout, Zope2, Zope3, Doctest, you
created so many fantastic tools (I use Zope tools since 99), but now
it's time to see outside the Zope world and share ideas and tools.

Sorry for the noise, it's just a cry of my heart.



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Twitter: @sdouche (agile, lean, python, git, open source)
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope world (Was: Test fixture concepts)

2011-03-28 Thread Souheil CHELFOUH
I back you up on this.
The problem, on the other hand, is that : to see changes we need a
dynamic, a momentum
Lately, the work has been to maintain and not to push evolutions.
What I'm currently trying to acheive, orchestrating that from the Grok
community, is to try and open more and more zope packages to the
outside world pluggability.
If we can submit concrete ideas to the zope dev list and push them
without giving it up to the global inertia, we might acheive something
that would benefit everybody

2011/3/28 Sebastien Douche sdou...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 15:18, Wolfgang Schnerring w...@gocept.com wrote:

 Hi folks,

 An honest counter question: Why not use zope.testrunner? What
 advantages does py.test offer?

 On the technical side, I don't know. But from my point of view, the
 most important thing is the social side. I'm a bit tired to be
 compartmentalized : you must use generics tools (Nose, WebOb,
 Paster...) or Zope tools (Zope3, KGS, zope.testbrowser, zope.testing,
 zc.buildout, z3c.testsetup...). Pyramid is the first step in the right
 direction : the fusion of 3 communities (bfg, pylons, tg) with some
 Zope ideas. Thanks so much Chris and Ben, for the first time in my
 Python life, I see a fusion and not a fork. PSF said at last Pycon
 PSF is the Python foundation, not the CPython foundation and offers
 10k$ to PyPy.

 Sincerely, you rock my word: Buildout, Zope2, Zope3, Doctest, you
 created so many fantastic tools (I use Zope tools since 99), but now
 it's time to see outside the Zope world and share ideas and tools.

 Sorry for the noise, it's just a cry of my heart.



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 Twitter: @sdouche (agile, lean, python, git, open source)
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