Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-21 Thread Florian Friesdorf
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 05:00:50PM +0200, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote: Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 03:55 schrieb Florian Friesdorf: (..) In case you store your userdata in RDB, you do not need InternalPrincipal at all. I currently see to options: 1. custom AuthenticatorPlugin,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-18 Thread Hermann Himmelbauer
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 03:55 schrieb Florian Friesdorf: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:20:58AM +0200, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2008 05:48 schrieb Florian Friesdorf: InternalPrincipal is a persistent object used to store the data of principals in a PrincipalFolder,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-17 Thread Florian Friesdorf
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:20:58AM +0200, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2008 05:48 schrieb Florian Friesdorf: InternalPrincipal is a persistent object used to store the data of principals in a PrincipalFolder, PrincipalInfo is returned upon successfull authentication and

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-16 Thread Hermann Himmelbauer
Am Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2008 05:48 schrieb Florian Friesdorf: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 09:50:25AM +0200, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote: (..) 1) No way to pass PAU-related information to form-code: In PAU, the (..) 2) Lack of documentation: The entities Principal, InternalPrincipal,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-15 Thread Florian Friesdorf
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 09:50:25AM +0200, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote: (..) 1) No way to pass PAU-related information to form-code: In PAU, the (..) As I using PAU within Plone and PlonePAS to handle the credential extraction and form stuff, I can't say anything about PAU's capabilities of

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-15 Thread Florian Friesdorf
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 02:04:32PM +0100, Martin Aspeli wrote: I think it's worth displaying some sensitivity to the context of Google Summer of Code here. I too worry that PAULA may throw the baby (PAS) out with the bathwater. However, GSoC is an excellent incubator of RD, and has

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-14 Thread Hermann Himmelbauer
Am Samstag, 12. Juli 2008 03:04 schrieb Florian Friesdorf: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Florian Friesdorf wrote: Hi *, PAS works fine and covers a lot more functionality than PAU and there are more PAS plugins than PAU plugins. PAU is

RE: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-13 Thread Mark Hammond
Martin quoting me: I was referring to the thread at http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-pas/2004-September/86.html, entitled [Zope-PAS] Challengers (and Zope 3) ... Sorry, I may've gotten my history mixed up a little here, but in any case, I think the point remains: no-one's said

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-13 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Mark Hammond wrote: Martin quoting me: I was referring to the thread at http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-pas/2004-September/86.html, entitled [Zope-PAS] Challengers (and Zope 3) ... Sorry, I may've gotten my history mixed up a little here, but in any case, I

RE: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-13 Thread Mark Hammond
Zope3 has never supported PAS and I doubt it ever well. That is a shame - the thread I referred to shows that Jim was working on exactly that - it's a shame that never came to fruition (and indeed, its not clear why that attempt failed - should PAS have been fixed to make that transition

RE: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-13 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 13. Juli 2008 19:38:01 +0300 Mark Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Zope3 is not a successor to Zope2 but a completely different thing I do not think this is problematic. That too seems a shame to me. So if I found myself with an investment in Zope2 but was looking to the

RE: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-12 Thread Mark Hammond
Well, Zope moved onwards from PAS to PAU and I think Plone should too, because: It seems like just yesterday that PAS offered the promise of being the nice clean way forward for authentication, and even offered a path to Zope3. I've been subscribed to zope-dev since then, but somehow the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jul 12, 2008, at 09:33 , Mark Hammond wrote: Well, Zope moved onwards from PAS to PAU and I think Plone should too, because: It seems like just yesterday that PAS offered the promise of being the nice clean way forward for authentication, and even offered a path to Zope3. I've been

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jul 12, 2008, at 03:04 , Florian Friesdorf wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: The one thing I am missing is: why? Well, Zope moved onwards from PAS to PAU Huh? Zope 2 uses PAS. The Zope 3 folks have attempted to come up with a similar solution,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
may or may become a part of Zope and/or Plone in the future. Well put Martin. ;) -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems http://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

RE: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-12 Thread Mark Hammond
I think you've misunderstood slightly here ... PAS was and is a Zope 2 user folder implementation. It pre-dates Zope 3 (at least as we know it now). I was referring to the thread at http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-pas/2004-September/86.html, entitled [Zope-PAS] Challengers (and Zope 3)