On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 07:56, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 14:57 -0400, Lennart Regebro wrote:
I'm still in Atlanta, and Arc Riley asked for a Zope person to
possibly mentor some zope.* project for Python Software Foundation
this year. They probably want to get
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:57, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 07:56, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
Did this particular effort get to the place where there are students and
mentors lined up to do ZTK porting?
No, it got to the pace where I'm supposed
On Tuesday, April 05, 2011, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:57, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 07:56, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
Did this particular effort get to the place where there are students and
mentors lined up to do ZTK
On 2011-3-20 17:47, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Sure. I didn't mean to exclude this. Pyramid allows you to do a very
explicit configuration without any scanning. If you write an
application and have full control over all its parts, this works.
Things get complicated, once you reuse libraries
Hi,
Not sure where to 'hook into' the discussion thread, so I'll just start
here:
On 3/20/11 15:28 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
Hm, it's been a while since I've looked at grok. Some notes:
- The mechanism I'm thinking of should not require *any* ZCML.
Do you mean without having a configure.zcml
On 3/20/11 16:12 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Both Grok and Pyramid (or martian and venusian really) do a scan of
the code to find the registration hints.
Pyramid only does so if you tell it to do so by using config.scan(). You
are not obliged to do that, and I have several pyramid projects
On 3/21/11 10:17 , Jan-Wijbrand Kolman wrote:
On 3/20/11 16:12 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Pyramid only does so if you tell it to do so by using config.scan(). You
are not obliged to do that, and I have several pyramid projects which do
not do any scanning. Not doing scanning has the advantage
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 01:06, Stephan Richter
srich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu wrote:
On Saturday, March 19, 2011, Lennart Regebro wrote:
Getting ZCA/ZTK to run on PyPy is probably easier, and actually more
useful. Maybe someone would want to mentor that?
While I would mentor someone wanting to
On 3/21/11 10:30 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
- you may have some draft files in your tree that are not ready
for use
and never referenced anywhere, but a scan will still process them.
This is true.
I ran into this with .html.py files generated by Chameleon as well. My
Zope startup
On Monday, March 21, 2011, Lennart Regebro wrote:
So I'll sign up as a Zope team member.
Cool. But it turns out we need three to make a team (see
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHh3WFNGYzkyWWE0ZjM1eFFoUU
VGWmc6MQ), and we only really have one. :-) I guess I could take a
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 13:28, Stephan Richter
srich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2011, Lennart Regebro wrote:
So I'll sign up as a Zope team member.
Cool. But it turns out we need three to make a team (see
On 03/19/2011 10:02 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
Getting ZCA/ZTK to run on PyPy is probably easier, and actually more
useful. Maybe someone would want to mentor that?
I agree it'd be easier and more useful. There's also interesting
potential in exploiting PyPy's magic in things like security and
On 03/20/2011 02:31 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Lennart Regebrorege...@gmail.com wrote:
Getting ZCA/ZTK to run on PyPy is probably easier, and actually more
useful. Maybe someone would want to mentor that?
This is another porting project. If I was a student, I
Hi,
On 03/20/2011 03:28 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
Hm, it's been a while since I've looked at grok. Some notes:
We have more than four years of experience with this topic...
- The mechanism I'm thinking of should not require *any* ZCML.
Check. we just bootstrap the grokking process from ZCML
On 03/21/2011 10:17 AM, Jan-Wijbrand Kolman wrote:
- scanning can take a long time, making application (re)start slow for
non-trivial projects
At what point is an application not trivial anymore? In applications I
build so far, startup time has not been an issue at all. But maybe my
On 03/20/2011 04:29 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Hanno Schlichtingha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
[snip]
I think you cannot avoid this, if you want to support an explicit
configuration phase. Otherwise the first import of a module could
occur at any point at runtime and
Hi there,
On 03/20/2011 04:00 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Taking one of the examples of grokcore.component, I think there's a
lot that can be made simpler:
import grokcore.component
from zope.i18n.interfaces import ITranslationDomain
class
Hi there,
On 03/20/2011 05:47 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Maybe there's something in Grok that comes close to this. I've just
not been able to distinguish the Grok the web framework code with
its convention over configuration idea from some basic explicit
configuration approach.
I don't
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Stephan Richter
srich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu wrote:
...
I would be much
more interested in seeing a working WebOb to zope.publisher bridge. I know
Jim(?)
Yes.
has done some initial work on that. I think it would make an
interesting PSF project, since it
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
Getting ZCA/ZTK to run on PyPy is probably easier, and actually more
useful. Maybe someone would want to mentor that?
This is another porting project. If I was a student, I wouldn't find it very
interesting to port some
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm still in Atlanta, and Arc Riley asked for a Zope person to
possibly mentor some zope.* project for Python Software Foundation
this year.
Here's another idea.
Problem
===
ZTK projects use ZCML too much.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 March 2011 13:46, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
I think we ought to come up with a much cleaner way of defining
default configuration. (Pyramid does this by passing default values in
adapter calls, but I
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
- The mechanism shouldn't require something to grok/analyze the
code. The mechanism should be explicit. This is implied by
pythonic. I remember Grok being more implicit than skimming the
links above suggest. Perhaps Grok has
On 3/20/11 16:00 , Hanno Schlichting wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jim Fultonj...@zope.com wrote:
- The mechanism shouldn't require something to grok/analyze the
code. The mechanism should be explicit. This is implied by
pythonic. I remember Grok being more implicit than
On 3/20/11 16:03 , Wichert Akkerman wrote:
On 3/20/11 16:00 , Hanno Schlichting wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jim Fultonj...@zope.com wrote:
- The mechanism shouldn't require something to grok/analyze the
code. The mechanism should be explicit. This is implied by
pythonic.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
- The mechanism shouldn't require something to grok/analyze the
code. The mechanism should be explicit. This is implied by
pythonic. I remember Grok
Hi,
On 20 March 2011 15:00, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
- The mechanism shouldn't require something to grok/analyze the
code. The mechanism should be explicit. This is implied by
pythonic. I remember Grok
Hi,
On 20 March 2011 15:29, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
I think you cannot avoid this, if you want to support an explicit
configuration phase. Otherwise the first import of a module could
occur at any point at runtime and have a configuration side-effect
like registering a new view.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
I disagree. First, the notion that you'd import at run time is pretty odd,
unless you count start-up in runtime.
Right, sorry. I'm used to writing add-ons for an application. In this
environment my code isn't in charge of the
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On 03/20/2011 09:46 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
Problem
===
ZTK projects use ZCML too much. Ideally, ZCML should only
have to be used when we want to override something.
Solution sketch
===
I think we ought to come up with a
- The mechanism shouldn't require something to grok/analyze the
code. The mechanism should be explicit. This is implied by
pythonic. I remember Grok being more implicit than skimming the
links above suggest. Perhaps Grok has has become more explicit than
I remember.
+10^something
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 22:08, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm still in Atlanta, and Arc Riley asked for a Zope person to
possibly mentor some zope.* project for Python Software Foundation
this year. They probably
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 13:07, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 22:08, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm still in Atlanta, and Arc Riley asked for a Zope person to
possibly mentor some
Getting ZCA/ZTK to run on PyPy is probably easier, and actually more
useful. Maybe someone would want to mentor that?
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 22:08, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm still in Atlanta, and Arc Riley
On Saturday, March 19, 2011, Lennart Regebro wrote:
Getting ZCA/ZTK to run on PyPy is probably easier, and actually more
useful. Maybe someone would want to mentor that?
While I would mentor someone wanting to do such a project, I would be much
more interested in seeing a working WebOb to
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm still in Atlanta, and Arc Riley asked for a Zope person to
possibly mentor some zope.* project for Python Software Foundation
this year. They probably want to get more of the Zope Toolkit ported
to Python 3. I
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