Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar?
Rene Pijlman wrote: On 10 Jul 2001 08:06:42 +0200, you wrote: | How about treating some of the most critically needed Zope modules | as a community project? I agree totally. So what do you think are the most needed Zope products? Form tools! :) Uhmm. Check. Feel free to join the community project at: http://www.zope.org/Members/faassen/Formulator I'll be giving a presentation to the community this friday in Berlin, too. Another thing I'm getting back involved in now is the whole Zope XML picture. I think good support for things such as XSLT, XPath, XLink and so on could add a lot of value for lots of people, and would do wonders for the enterprise buzzwordability of Zope, as well. e-commerce infrastructure is nice too, of course. Someone else can do that. :) What Zope also needs is a set of good clear APIs for component developers, and it needs something like the 'new religion' that's on a wiki somewhere; model/view/controller type architecture. If you think this can't be a community project as it's too advanced then I'll tell you that thought is the bane of community projects. Community projects can do anything! :) But as with any open source project, the community project will only succeed if there is one dedicated person (or a small group of dedicated people) that does all the work anyway. The opening of the Zope CVS for outside developers will help here too, hopefully. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar?
[alan runyan] | I believe that before ZOPE can truely take off it will need a | miniVend like solution to get the PHP/CF/ASPers to ZOPE. What is miniVend? | I would like to see a Roadmap for ZOPE. Aye! ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar?
| I would like to see a Roadmap for ZOPE. Aye! Other than: http://dev.zope.org/Resources/ZopeDirections.html? -- Andy McKay ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar?
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Other than: http://dev.zope.org/Resources/ZopeDirections.html? Well, it is from February. And besides, it describes what we have/semi-have now, and not what is planned for the future (for example, where do DC think Zope is in three, four or five years?) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar?
On 10 Jul 2001 08:06:42 +0200, you wrote: | How about treating some of the most critically needed Zope modules | as a community project? I agree totally. So what do you think are the most needed Zope products? Regards, René Pijlman ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar? [off-topic]
On Tuesday, July 10, 2001, at 03:26 , Jerry Spicklemire wrote: Maybe that is the natural state for a rapidly maturing Open Source project. After all, Linux itself was a labor in obscurity sort of amateur project for nearly a decade. By the time Linux hit the popular press it was well entrenched in corporate DNS, email and web servers. On the other hand, if you like myself remain mystified that Zope hasn't made a massive splash in the Application Server market, then maybe it's time to think about the grand plan. Does Zope really need to make a big splash anywhere? Zope will get adopted by word of mouth. People who use it will end up developing their commissioned works in it, and the installed base will grow exactly as fast as it can be supported. Alex Alex Satrapa tSA Consulting Group Pty Limited ICQ: 5691434 1 Hall Street, Lyneham, Canberra 2603 PGP Key 0x4C178C9Cfx: +61 2 6257 7311 ph: +61 2 6257 7111 PGP Fingerprint E4FA ADE6 97A4 3610 E008 A466 A03E 3D01 4C17 8C9C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How long below the radar?
Maybe flying under the radar is exactly the right place to be, if it empowers Open Source service providers to help small to mid-size customers to leverage a full ERP system. GNUe will be the kind of technology that only the GMs and GEs of the world have been able to afford, up to now. Unfortunately, my experience is that such customers are even less informed about the benefits of Open Source options, and thus even less likely to embrace a no-name solution. Absolutely, the fact that Zope is Open Source is not generally a huge selling point to those outside Open Source, and those in it know about it already. The pitch to the corporate types that make decisions is based on things such as GUI tools, easy install and packages, books available, programmer availability, maintainability, security and so on. These are improving but unfortunately some things such as the Windows installation do tend to suffer. I still think the lack of packages that you can install and get some package working easily is the biggest hurdle, Zope is a bunch of building blocks. The two biggest CMF and Squishdot are doing well and / or going to do well. But this is unfortunately the minority. I hate to go back to the Ecommerce thread again, but that could be a killer Zope app, just imagine a click install to an ecommerce Zope server. One late night on irc we were talking about forming the RedHat of Zope and a company to sell value added distributions... DC cant do everything, but some of things do need to happen. Cheers. -- Andy McKay ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
