Re: [Zope-Coders] Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Chris McDonough
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 02:47, Guido van Rossum wrote: I'd like to compare notes on this. Where's the control script that you are using? I'm hoping that we can use (some future evolution of) zdaemon/{zdaemon,zdctl}.py in the Zope 2.7 trunk. This separates the concerns of - the actual

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Hi Jamie, --On Montag, 25. November 2002 22:29 -0800 Jamie Heilman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * where possible, the banishment of environment variables as configuration. I have to say, I think this is a bad idea. What is it about environment variables do you find worthy of

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Chris McDonough
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 05:22, Tino Wildenhain wrote: Oh, while we are at it - how do I set an environment variable in a python script for use outside the script? E.g. like export does in shell scripts? Not from a Zope Python Script (it's restricted by the security machinery) but from any

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Hi, --On Dienstag, 26. November 2002 09:18 -0500 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 05:22, Tino Wildenhain wrote: Oh, while we are at it - how do I set an environment variable in a python script for use outside the script? E.g. like export does in shell scripts?

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Tino Wildenhain wrote: Tried it: os.environ['MYENVIRON']='FooBar' ^D echo $MYENVIRON nothing. What is wrong? rdmurray@stage:~cat temp.sh export TEST='abc' echo $TEST rdmurray@stage:~sh temp.sh abc rdmurray@stage:~echo $TEST ^ equally nothing. export (and

Re: [Zope-Coders] Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Chris McDonough
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 10:39, Jeffrey P Shell wrote: * configure; make; make install installation I thought that there was an effort to use distutils, or to at least use a distutils-ish setup. What happened to that? It does use distutils, owing to the work of Matt Behrens and Shane on

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Jamie Heilman
Currently you configure Zope via a combination of z2.py switches and envvars. There are currently 40 Zope environment variables and 22 z2.py switches. Well you won't hear a peep out of me if z2.py gets the axe, as I mentioned I stopped using it long ago in favor of something that was only 39

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Chris McDonough
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 11:28, Jamie Heilman wrote: Well you won't hear a peep out of me if z2.py gets the axe, as I mentioned I stopped using it long ago in favor of something that was only 39 lines and only did exactly what I needed and nothing more. z2.py is a dead man walking. ;-) I

Re: [Zope-Coders] Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Barry A. Warsaw
CM == Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * configure; make; make install installation I thought that there was an effort to use distutils, or to at least use a distutils-ish setup. What happened to that? CM It does use distutils, owing to the work of Matt Behrens and

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris McDonough writes: On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 20:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could we get the Install and Configuration proposal cleaned up, with so many comments it's not clear what the actual proposal proposes to deliver now. Yes when possible. I agree that it is a bit of a

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Chris McDonough
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 13:56, Dieter Maurer wrote: * where possible, the banishment of environment variables as configuration. Please do not! Do not what? ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-Coders] Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-26 Thread Chris McDonough
I have updated this proposal to be in line with the current goals: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/InstallationAndConfiguration Thanks for poking me, - C On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 20:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Could we get the Install and Configuration proposal cleaned up,

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-25 Thread Andreas Jung
Thanks for the clarifications! Andreas --On Montag, 25. November 2002 15:12 -0500 Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there already a schedule for Zope 2.7? (of course there is not :-) ) Now there is :) http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.7/FrontPage I've updated this

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-25 Thread THoffman
Hi Could we get the Install and Configuration proposal cleaned up, with so many comments it's not clear what the actual proposal proposes to deliver now. Also parts of it's problem statement are just plain wrong. I currently have many (read every version of Zope including Alpha's and Betas

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-25 Thread Chris McDonough
On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 20:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could we get the Install and Configuration proposal cleaned up, with so many comments it's not clear what the actual proposal proposes to deliver now. Yes when possible. I agree that it is a bit of a mess. In the meantime, I think this

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-25 Thread Jamie Heilman
* where possible, the banishment of environment variables as configuration. I have to say, I think this is a bad idea. What is it about environment variables do you find worthy of banishment? I can tell you a few of the reason I really like them: a) Code spent garnering values is

Re: [Zope-Coders] Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
In the meantime, I think this list summarizes the adjusted goals well: * configure; make; make install installation * control script for starting/stopping/debugging zope I'd like to compare notes on this. Where's the control script that you are using? I'm hoping that we can use

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving forward with Zope 2.7

2002-11-25 Thread Chris McDonough
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 01:29, Jamie Heilman wrote: * where possible, the banishment of environment variables as configuration. I have to say, I think this is a bad idea. What is it about environment variables do you find worthy of banishment? I can tell Banishment was a bad