Re: [Zope-dev] Planning for Zope 3.5

2009-02-09 Thread Tres Seaver
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Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
 Am Sonntag 01 Februar 2009 07:51:43 schrieb Stephan Richter:
 Hi all,

 now that we have Zope 3.4.0 finally behind us, let's look forward. As I
 said in the release notes, I am really willing to switch to a 6 months
 release cycle again.

 I think there are three areas that we can work on:

 - Python 2.6 support.
 - Dependency reduction.
 - Improve project setup
 
 Yes, I'd also suggest this. What I'd also like to have is:
 
 - More focus on z3c.form/z3c.pagelet and less on the ZMI.
 - More focus on SQLAlchemy integration.
 
 And something I wonder from time to time is if it would be possible to 
 integrate a recent Twisted release into Zope3, or, even better, directly use 
 the current twisted egg with Zope3.

I would rather move the Twisted support out into a non-core package, and
focus on making the Zope3 components play nicely with *any*
WSGI-compliant server.  The fact that we still have a forked Twisted in
Zope3 is directly tied to the absence of a crucial component in the
released version of Twisted.


Tres.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Planning for Zope 3.5

2009-02-09 Thread Dan Korostelev
2009/2/9 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:

 I would rather move the Twisted support out into a non-core package, and
 focus on making the Zope3 components play nicely with *any*
 WSGI-compliant server.  The fact that we still have a forked Twisted in
 Zope3 is directly tied to the absence of a crucial component in the
 released version of Twisted.

Well, it's already not so bad. The zope.app.twisted is not the core
package, and the zope.app.wsgi makes it easy to get the WSGI
application of Zope. I've also just checked in an app_factory for
PasteDeploy for it, so it can be used as an application component
in the PasteDeploy pipeline without any additional python code. The
zope.publisher also provides a simple WSGI application for use with
paste.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Planning for Zope 3.5

2009-02-08 Thread Hermann Himmelbauer
Am Sonntag 01 Februar 2009 07:51:43 schrieb Stephan Richter:
 Hi all,

 now that we have Zope 3.4.0 finally behind us, let's look forward. As I
 said in the release notes, I am really willing to switch to a 6 months
 release cycle again.

 I think there are three areas that we can work on:

 - Python 2.6 support.
 - Dependency reduction.
 - Improve project setup

Yes, I'd also suggest this. What I'd also like to have is:

- More focus on z3c.form/z3c.pagelet and less on the ZMI.
- More focus on SQLAlchemy integration.

And something I wonder from time to time is if it would be possible to 
integrate a recent Twisted release into Zope3, or, even better, directly use 
the current twisted egg with Zope3.

Best Regards,
Hermann

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Re: [Zope-dev] Planning for Zope 3.5

2009-02-08 Thread Dan Korostelev
2009/2/8 Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk:

 And something I wonder from time to time is if it would be possible to
 integrate a recent Twisted release into Zope3, or, even better, directly use
 the current twisted egg with Zope3.

The problem is that the Twisted egg doesn't contain the web2 module,
used by zope's twisted-based WSGI server, so we can only try to
integrate the latest release into zope.app.twisted itself, downloading
the Twisted release using svn:external as we do now. I tried do do
that before, but tests failed and I was unable to fix that, as I don't
know twisted at all (shame on me).

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Re: [Zope-dev] Planning for Zope 3.5

2009-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey,

Stephan Richter wrote:
[snip]
 - Improve project setup
 
 As Shane pointed out, it is hard to get started. The solution could be a 
 combination of documentation and tools, like zopeproject.

It's not hard to get started as long as you use Zope 3 in the form of 
Grok. :) Grok has done a lot of work on getting a project set up, 
Windows support, and the like, and what you get when you use grokproject 
is essentially a Zope 3 project (with the extra Grok packages).

grokproject has a lot of interesting features. It looks for the URL for 
the versions of the most recent release of Grok. It's now installing 
paster-based setup. It's also using things like z3c.recipe.eggbasket to 
pull in a whole bunch of eggs in a single tarball (from a single URL 
which means less potential for failure in theory). Etc.

It might be worthwhile to review that work and reuse bits of it.

Regards,

Martijn

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Re: [Zope-dev] Planning for Zope 3.5

2009-02-01 Thread Sebastien Douche
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 07:51, Stephan Richter
srich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu wrote:
 - Improve project setup

 As Shane pointed out, it is hard to get started. The solution could be a
 combination of documentation and tools, like zopeproject.

zc.zope3recipes is very interesting, but with a deficiency: no
default configuration for app  instance part. A good thing could be
to integrate zopeproject.

 Thoughts?

I dream to see SQLAlchemy DB as first class citizen in Zope3. We use
Zope3 for developing our products and it's the main failure for us.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Planning for Zope 3.5

2009-02-01 Thread Dan Korostelev
2009/2/2 Sebastien Douche sdou...@gmail.com:
 On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 07:51, Stephan Richter
 srich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu wrote:
 - Improve project setup

 As Shane pointed out, it is hard to get started. The solution could be a
 combination of documentation and tools, like zopeproject.

 zc.zope3recipes is very interesting, but with a deficiency: no
 default configuration for app  instance part. A good thing could be
 to integrate zopeproject.

I also just committed my little sandbox setup that can be used to take
a quick look at Zope3. I personally use it for playing with some eggs
and for showing zope3 the application server to other people. It's
based only on zc.buildout, zc.zope3recipes, and pure zcml setup. It
doesn't use paste or any z3c package - just plain old zope3 on twisted
with rotterdam and so on. It also contains an example of code that
creates a new content type (with doctests).

If we want people to start learning Zope3 through ZMI, may be
something like that could be developed and used as a demo instead of
z3c.formdemo :) I quite like it because it contains very few files and
is rather easy to understand by newbie. Next, we may want to point
people to packages like z3c.pagelet and z3c.form, so some tutorial
should be written on how to add support for that to their current
setup (z3c.rotterdam could be used as an easy way).

Here it is: http://svn.zope.org/Sandbox/nadako/zopesandbox/

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