Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-05-07 Thread Alex V. Koval

Hi,
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:04:34 +0200, Maik Jablonski  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Zope2 isn't  maintained very well anymore due to limited ressources(bug  
fixes, documentation, see mail from Andreas), but Zope3 isn'tproduction  
ready at all. So if you talk to people making the decisionsin the  
IT-business they say: Zope2 seems to be a dead horse, Zope3is just a  
child which learns to run...
Agree. Here is my point of view, as 'site manager'. We are creating
small sites for end-users, and we try to use Zope in many cases,  
recommending
this platform to end users.

Many customers refuse to use Zope because of one simple reason: they look  
at
http://www.zope.org web site, and then get back to us asking us how we
could recommend this product. In my opinion the most important fixes to
web site are:

 - Web site (zope.org) is very slow, and contains outdated documentation,
   links. Not well organized. Does not look professional way.I have no idea
   why zope.org site is slow and dying, but if it is because
   hardware or any kind of misconfiguration problem it must be fixed  
a.s.a.p.
   Just tried to open home page of http://www.zope.org - my Opera shows 1  
min 11 sec
   to load. (compare, www.php.org loads in 5 seconds). This makes our  
customers
   to make false decision that Zope is a way too slow. Most of customers
   refused to work with Zope because they tell: all sites we looked at  
seems
   to be really slow.

 - Look at Zope powered  
sites:http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZopePowered/. At first
   4 sites are not enought to convience any commercial customer. Even total
   of 11 links found on the page is not enought. I suggest to have submit  
a site
   form on this page so end users will submit their sites URLs and the  
list will be
   growing. Inactive sites should be removed after some time.

 - I do not understand the link to Zope CMF which leads me to  
http://cmf.zope.org/
   and where I read ATTENTION! ... Please don't add new content here  
What this
   site is about, if it should not be used. Is Zope CMF dead? I see it is  
not, but
   this link makes me confused.

 - Zope HowTos contain all documents made in 1999. Most of people  
(including me)
will never read such old documents because most probably many things  
described
there are outdated.

 - Zope Development Guide full of comments since 2002. This should be  
refactored
   once a month, at least once a 3 months (I've seen the effort to rewrite  
ZDG
   has been started).

 - Bug tracking system (issue tracker) is not very comfortable to use.  
Better to use
   bugzilla, foxbugs, even 'trac' project will be a way much better and  
easier
   to use. And intruducing a better bug tracking could lead to better and  
faster
   bug resolution.

So, I think zope.org needs good refactoring, but it seems there are no  
single
person working on the site constantly, only from time to time (like plone  
integration event). Does anyone have any suggestions how this could be  
fixed?

I can try to help, but as you have probably noticed I am not native  
English speaker, so my help with editing texts will not be very useful.  
But we can
try to find out the problem with hardware/software setup of zope.org to  
find
out why its slow. Possible we can install bugzilla or some other thing.

I just need to know if anybody else interested into better look of zope.org
site? And how this could be done...
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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-05-07 Thread Andreas Jung


--On Freitag, 7. Mai 2004 19:26 Uhr +0300 Alex V. Koval 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I just need to know if anybody else interested into better look of
zope.org
site? And how this could be done...
Basically by volunteering to help out with the one or the task.
See http://www.zope.org/About/ how to participate.
-aj





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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-28 Thread Dieter Maurer
Paul Winkler wrote at 2004-4-26 17:45 -0400:
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:47:39PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote:
 Our minimal tool usage is probably: Actions, Membership,
 Skins, Types, Workflow.

I'm curious... do you use these with sites that are not
in any other way based on CMFCore/CMFDefault ?

Yes.

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RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-26 Thread Tim Peters
[Max M, tests a zip file of .pyd files in Zope3, on Windows]
 I finally got around to testing this, and it works *exactly* as I
 hoped. I downloaded Z3 from CVS, and Tim's zip file.

 I unpacked the zip file into the Z3 directory, and it started the
 first time.

Yippee!  That's what I expected, but it's always a pleasant surprise when
software works 0.8 wink.

 I don't know about others, but I don't need anything more than this.

 If either Chris or Tim would put that structure up at a saner
 location, I will write a How-to about it.

 Basically I just need a web adress that stays current to use in the
 How-to, so that I could point to somewhere like:

 http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/z3builds


 Where they could get the latest zip file.

http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/Zope3-pyd.zip

is in place now.  I'll put up a similarly named one for Zope2 this afternoon
(EDT).  They'll be replaced from time to time (when Zope 2/3's C code
changes), but will retain theses names.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tres Seaver wrote at 2004-4-26 11:46 -0400:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
 Dieter Maurer wrote:
 ...
   We use SkinsTool, ActionsTool and DCWorkflow a lot,
   MembershipTool sometimes and most other tools not at all.
 
 
 Okay, point taken. :)
 
 How much do the tools listed interdepend on each other?

See the attached file.
 ...
 ... longer list than written above ...

This happens when I write from memory, sorry!

We also use portal_types regularly.


When you do not use the full functionality from the
MembershipTool, you may not need the MemberDataTool nor
the RegistrationTool.

Our minimal tool usage is probably: Actions, Membership,
Skins, Types, Workflow.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-26 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:47:39PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote:
 Our minimal tool usage is probably: Actions, Membership,
 Skins, Types, Workflow.

I'm curious... do you use these with sites that are not
in any other way based on CMFCore/CMFDefault ?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-22 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote:

Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more 
community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad.
Sorry, but I think you'll find several people stepped up, and ZC slapped them in 
the face with a big fat legal document.

That's never a good way to encourage people to help...

Chris

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RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-22 Thread Tim Peters
[Max M]
 Well, yeah. I installed cygwin and all the devolpment tools. About 800
 Megs. I could have sorted it, but I wouldn't risk missing libraries,
 tools etc. and harddisk is cheap.

Same here (although my old laptop doesn't have enough disk space remaining
to download the whole thing).

 Python compiled fine, both with and without ./configure
 --with-threads Z3 also compiled without a hickup.

Python 2.3.3 comes with current Cygwin, so there shouldn't be a need to
build Python (or maybe there is?  I don't know; the one that comes with
Cygwin has threads enabled already:

$ python
Python 2.3.3 (#1, Dec 30 2003, 08:29:25)
[GCC 3.3.1 (cygming special)] on cygwin
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
 import thread
 def f():
...print 'hi!'
...
 thread.start_new_thread(f, ())
10852896
 hi!

).

I didn't have any problems compiling anything, I hit instant disasters
whenever code tried to spawn a new process (mystery errors under WinXP
Pro, segfault and system freeze under Win98SE).

 But when I tried to go to http://localhost:8080; or
 http://localhost:8080/manage; I just got a  A system error
 occurred. message, and a the following log entry:

 2004-04-22T08:47:13 ERROR root PageTemplateFile: Error in template:
 Compilation failed
 exceptions.SyntaxError: invalid syntax (string, line 1)

 Which is sort of non-helpfull.

Sorry, no clues here.  Perhaps someone else knows how to get Cygwin to work.

...

 What exactly is needed?  I routinely compile Zope2 and Zope3 HEAD on
 Windows, using MSVC 6.  I can't make time to set up a fancy snapshot
 procedure, but if all people want is (e.g.) a zip file containing
 the .pyd files, uploading those once a week wouldn't be a
 significant time sink.

 AS far as I can see that should be enough. If the compiled files, in
 their directory structure, could just be dropped on top of the python
 structure from cvs/subversion I expect that would be enough?

No way to tell without trying.  I don't know whether you're building Zope2
or Zope3, but since this is the zope-dev list I assume the former.  Try

http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/Zope2-20040422.zip/file_view

and let us know what happens!  As the comment there says, it's just .pyd
files from Zope2 HEAD, compiled with MSVC 6.  This is from an inplace
(setup.py build_ext -i) build on Windows, from a current Zope HEAD
checkout.

 As far as I can see from a quick manual scan of the directory
 structure that's how the code is structured now?

 The compiled files are not under version control, and so would not be
 overwritten by updating from cvs/subversion.

That's correct.


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RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-22 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Peters]
 ...
 No way to tell without trying.  I don't know whether you're
 building Zope2 or Zope3, but since this is the zope-dev list I
 assume the former.  Try

 http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/Zope2-20040422.zip/file_view

 and let us know what happens!  As the comment there says, it's just
 .pyd files from Zope2 HEAD, compiled with MSVC 6.  This is from
 an inplace (setup.py build_ext -i) build on Windows, from a
 current Zope HEAD checkout.

FYI, there's a similar zip file now containing the same kind of thing for a
current Zope3 checkout (s/Zope2/Zope3/ in the URL).

If this is good enough for people trying to work from CVS on Windows, let me
know and I'll update them from time to time, and maybe move them to a saner
location.  If it's not good enough, sorry, but I don't anticipate having
enough time to do more than this (which is just a trivial zip+upload step
beyond the builds I have to do anyway).


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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-22 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2004-4-21 11:39 -0400:
Andreas Jung wrote:
 ...
 I am sure that more are willing to contribute more 
 than at the moment.

Great! Where are they?

I, for example, would but I am scared away by the required
promise to defend ZC against any potential patent claim related
to my checkins.
As in the US almost any triviality seems to be patentable,
I consider this too big a risk...


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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-22 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2004-4-21 19:42 +0200:
Stephan Richter wrote:

 Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more 
 community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad.

I believe part of the blockage is because contributors have to sign far 
more than just a simple CVS contributor's agreement. This bureaucracy is 
not helpful.

+1

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Stephan Richter
Hi,

the points I snipped I agree with and/or have no new input for.

On Wednesday 21 April 2004 05:36, Andreas Jung wrote:
 The reasons for this situation from my prospective:

  - Lots of Z2 people are working now  on Plone projects. Plone currently
 attracts more people
 because the important and interesting projects are done there. Paul
 Everits goal to grow
 Zope by 10 times might happen through Plone, not through Zope itself

Yes. Note that there are plans emerging for Plone 3 for Zope 3. I hope that we 
will be able to redirect some of the development power of Plone towards Zope 
with Plone 3. And I think that will be possible. Zope 2 has too many 
abstraction layers: Zope -- CMF -- Plone, CPS, ... That means that if I 
develop a product for Zope, it cannot be automatically used in CMF/Plone 
optimally anymore. With Zope 3 we will get a fresh start on this.

  - The Z2 development is badly managed. The 2.7 release has been delayed
 for one year or so.

Yes, I hope we will be able to manage releases in the community for Zope 3. 
Jim encouraged this by asking me to do the current Zope 3 releases (so I hope 
I will be able to give away this responsibility to someone else, when the 
Zope 3 community grows -- it will need someone who is constantly involved in 
the real world and sees the needs for releases clearer than I do).

  - ZC is currently the bottleneck for Z2. 

As stated before, I think that can be changed, if enough interest is shown in 
the community. But I think the Zope community lacks strong leaders; too many 
people are only interested in making money with it without realizing that 
their future depends on the general success and development of Zope.

 Maiks words: Z3 is
   attractive as an academic project to try out things and concepts but it
 does not attract people
   in the current stage...maybe in two years from now but currently most
 people are attracted
   by working and usable solutions like Plone.

And that in itself is the problem. Making money is most important, securing 
the future is second. People don't care about the latter. :-(

  - The zope.org community site is a mess. Lots of outstanding problems are
 not fixed, the performance
 of the site is more than poor (it takes ages to login, it takes ages to
 load pages),
 usability (e.g. when you perform a software release) is bad.

Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more 
community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad.

Regards,
Stephan
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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread robert rottermann

 will not be able to participate

easily on the academic Zope3 train. The technic
freaks who modell Zope3 are usually not application
developers,  which have to build and run working
 applications for real human users.

That's both insulting and incorrect.  Many of the leaders
of the Zope 2 community are involved in Zope 3 and using it.
These people are application developers.
Jim,
we native german speakers tend to be much more direct and phrase dings 
more bluntly the you americans do.
In german I read Maik's statement as a strong opinion but never as an 
insult.

Since I am the one who asked Mike to speak up I would feel bad if it 
created any bad feelings.

Robert

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 10:40, Max M wrote:
 I normally don't develop in c. So I don't have Visual Studion installed.

You can also use cygwin.

 I have downloaded the milestones and tried them out. But then I read
 about this and that *geddon, and think well guess I should wait for
 another version before I try it again.

right.

 I quickly feel out of sync in Z3.

yes.

 If there was some way to have a Binary core that didn't change very
 often, and a Python only part that I could upload from cvs/subversion to
 be up to date, it would be much easier to use a few hours here and there
 to try out stuff in Z3.

There is little change in the C files. It is very rare.

 Or perhaps an automated nightly Windows build.

We have talked about it many times before, but simply lack the bandwidth. 
Maybe you could provide this for Cygwin?

Regards,
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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Terry Hancock
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 09:40 am, Max M wrote:
 Stephan Richter wrote:
  However, 
  we are getting the first alpha out by the end of the month. Hopefully, by end 
  of May we will have finished the X3.0 to-do list and will release the beta. 
  At this point the API will freeze and application developers are encouraged 
  to have look at it.

Well, I couldn't find the antecedent for that quote, but it's really good news!

I'm deeply embroiled in organizing for an upcoming space conference on
Memorial Day Weekend (May 27-31, http://www.isdc2004.org ), so I'm not
able to do *any* programming for about a month, but I will definitely be
checking X3.0 out in June. That's probably when I'll be available to look
at the Schema package and see if I can contribute usefully to it, as well.

Cheers,
Terry

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote:
I'm surprised to read this. Could you be more specific about your concerns?
Did you read Andreas Jung's mail? He was pretty specific, but I had to 
hunt around as in my mailreader his reply had broken the thread.

Regards,

Martijn

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Martin Kretschmar
Hello,

 Jim,

 we native german speakers tend to be much more direct
 and phrase dings more bluntly the you americans do.
 In german I read Maik's statement as a strong opinion
 but never as an insult.

 Since I am the one who asked Mike to speak up I would
 feel bad if it created any bad feelings.

 Robert

Robert is 100% right! Mikes oppion contains no real
insults at all, not even really bad phrases, at least
not in the original german version. German insults look
quite different, and we tend to recognize them when we
read them.

In this sense I was somewhat careless in my instant
translation and I want to apologize for it.

Martin






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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Jamie Heilman
Casey Duncan wrote:
 On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:36:31 +0200
 Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Some remarks from my side as a Zope2 core developer on this issue:
  
  The Z2 community and development is currently at a bad point:
  
   - very few people are contributing to the Z2 in terms of new code and
   bug 
  fixes
  (see the tons of open bugs in the collector)
 
 I agree that bugs deserve more attention. We need to have more bug days.
 I meant to suggest a date last week, but I got diverted. How would
 people feel about next Thursday, April 29?

Have a bug day, might as well.  The problem with bug days is that they
losing ground to the slow but steady trickle of new issues.  A
dedicated developer who camps on the Collector would help
tremendously.

Oh, and about Maik's comment that ZC is the bottleneck in Z2 dev--Jim,
you might not agree with Maik, but hidden security bugs over a year old
aren't something the rest of the community can do anything about.

-- 
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Paranoia is a disease unto itself, and may I add, the person standing
 next to you may not be who they appear to be, so take precaution.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!

2004-04-21 Thread Jim Fulton
robert rottermann wrote:

 will not be able to participate

easily on the academic Zope3 train. The technic
freaks who modell Zope3 are usually not application
developers,  which have to build and run working


 applications for real human users.

That's both insulting and incorrect.  Many of the leaders
of the Zope 2 community are involved in Zope 3 and using it.
These people are application developers.
Jim,
we native german speakers tend to be much more direct and phrase dings 
more bluntly the you americans do.
In german I read Maik's statement as a strong opinion but never as an 
insult.

Since I am the one who asked Mike to speak up I would feel bad if it 
created any bad feelings.
Bad feeling don't last long with me. I couldn't be an open-source
developer if they did. :/
Jim

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:41:27AM -0400, Casey Duncan wrote:
 I agree that bugs deserve more attention. We need to have more bug days.
 I meant to suggest a date last week, but I got diverted. How would
 people feel about next Thursday, April 29?

+1
  
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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote:

Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more 
community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad.
I believe part of the blockage is because contributors have to sign far 
more than just a simple CVS contributor's agreement. This bureaucracy is 
not helpful.

Regards,

Martijn

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Casey Duncan wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:36:31 +0200
Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- very few people are willing to contribute to documentation
 
On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly*
lowers the bar on contributing substantive docs for Zope. I would
implore all of you (as in you, the reader of this message, yes you!) to
go there and write something, now! You know something that has not been
written down yet, so go write it down! You can even do so anonymously.
That's a great points. Wikis *can* definitely really speed up the 
documentation process. Of course wikis can also die, but the low bar 
towards contribution is really really helpful. Just take a look at 
www.wikipedia.org for an extremely impressive example of what is possible.

Regards,

Martijn

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Jamie Heilman
Jim Fulton wrote:
 Oh, and about Maik's comment that ZC is the bottleneck in Z2 dev--Jim,
 
 I think it was Andreas

Ah, you're right, oh well apart from who said it...
 
 you might not agree with Maik, but hidden security bugs over a year
 old aren't something the rest of the community can do anything
 about.
 
 Are you suggesting that we hid them?  As soon as we found out about
 them, we mobilized the whole company to work on them.  This was a
 big deal that we put a lot of effort into over a fairly short time.
 How is this evidence that we were a bottleneck?

I think you're confusing the past with the present.  There is at least
1 hidden security bug thats been sitting in the queue for a year
*right now*.  I'm not talking about the stuff that was fixed in the
last audit.  As for why they are hidden, well thats, the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
collector that encourages it, and as ZC runs the collector that puts
the ball squarely in ZC's court.

-- 
Jamie Heilman http://audible.transient.net/~jamie/
You came all this way, without saying squat, and now you're trying
 to tell me a '56 Chevy can beat a '47 Buick in a dead quarter mile?
 I liked you better when you weren't saying squat kid. -Buddy

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Andreas Jung


--On Mittwoch, 21. April 2004 10:41 Uhr -0400 Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly*
lowers the bar on contributing substantive docs for Zope. I would
implore all of you (as in you, the reader of this message, yes you!) to
go there and write something, now! You know something that has not been
written down yet, so go write it down! You can even do so anonymously.
Yeah...just had a look a zopewiki.org it seems to be a great place. I 
wonder why we were not
able to built a such place there were it would belong to: zope.org?

Andreas

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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Lennart Regebro
From: Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Year checkins people
 2002 7090 33
 2003 5276 34
 2004 1103 24 # First 3 1/2 months

 There is some decline, as one would expect in a mature
 product.

Also, I expect most people is like me. I only fix bugs if they bite me, and
I understand them OR if there is a bugday, and I understand them and I'm not
too stressed out at the office.

This means that we need more bugdays. A typical bugday squishes a whole
bunch of bugs. They bugs will be harder to squish the more bugdays we have,
since the easy one will be squished first, but no matter.




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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:41:27AM -0400, Casey Duncan wrote:
 I agree that bugs deserve more attention. We need to have more bug days.
 I meant to suggest a date last week, but I got diverted. How would
 people feel about next Thursday, April 29?

Stop feeling and do it! No, I can't join, because I'll be on my way to
Sweden that day. So, then have another bug day a couple of weeks later,
maybe I can join then. And so on, and so on...

Of course, my greatest contribution usually is closing bugs reports that are
really support questions, but hey, it's still squishes! :-)



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RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Tim Peters
[Max M]
 Or perhaps an automated nightly Windows build.

[Stephan Richter]
 We have talked about it many times before, but simply lack the
 bandwidth. Maybe you could provide this for Cygwin?

[Max M]
 Argh ... that wasn't fair.

 Ok I will try and find some time to look into it.

A problem is that every platform has its own unique bag of miserable quirks.
Case in point:  before we released ZODB 3.3a3 last Friday (which is also the
ZODB in the current Zope2 and Zope3 CVS HEADs), I tried to run the ZODB/ZEO
test suite under Cygwin on WinXP Pro.  Disaster is a fair assessment --
every time the test framework tried to spawn a ZEO process, it died
instantly, with a Cygwin-specific message I didn't understand.  So you need
to be a real platform fan to get a minority platform to work; while I like
Cygwin well enough, I rarely use it, and don't have time or interest to
pursue it as a hobby.

Maybe this is (still) relevant to building Zope under Cygwin, maybe not:

http://www.zope.org/Members/dgeorgieff/howto_zope_cvs_on_cygwin/index_html


What exactly is needed?  I routinely compile Zope2 and Zope3 HEAD on
Windows, using MSVC 6.  I can't make time to set up a fancy snapshot
procedure, but if all people want is (e.g.) a zip file containing the .pyd
files, uploading those once a week wouldn't be a significant time sink.


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RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Sandor Palfy
 Maybe this is (still) relevant to building Zope under Cygwin, 
 maybe not:
 

http://www.zope.org/Members/dgeorgieff/howto_zope_cvs_on_cygwin/index_ht
ml

Python release23-maint and Zope 2.7 just builds fine on cygwin with the
usual ./configure, make, make install sequence.

Regards,
Sandor


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