Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?

2002-11-01 Thread Andy McKay
 I wondered about that.  I have been following some of the dialog on the
Zope
 3 dev list but it is unclear to me its status.  We (my office) would like
to
 have the Web Services capability by July/August time frame (earlier if
 possible), so don't know if that falls in line with a stable Zope 3.  Your
 thoughts...

I dont know enough about Zope 3 to be able to tell you that. And Im not sure
anyone else can either. Perhaps see how the alpha of Zope 3 goes and if you
have to make a decision leave it as long as possible. It should be able work
do it in either, it would just be more messy integration in Zope 2, thats
all :)
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Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?

2002-10-31 Thread Eric Roby
Brian,

I have been an active user of Zope for nearly two years.  My current
position affords me the opportunity to finally give something back to the
community.  I work for NOAA and Web Services will be a critical piece of our
web architecture strategy this coming year.  Our branch is located in
southwestern Mississippi, so we are in the building phase (wrt python/zope
expertise - no Zope developers down here except me and impossible to get
anyone who has the experience to seriously consider relocating here ...
Ha! ).

What I am able to offer is 1-2 fulltime software engineers for as long as it
takes  to do this right.  I have read your proposal (just after you released
it last year) and thought it very well done.  I like the implementation you
describe and agree with your proposal 100%. The time frame that I am talking
about (fulltime developer support) is beginning in January.  If it is
possible to get some preliminary stuff out of the way before hand, that
would be great.  If it would require some face time with you, that would be
possible as well.

Let me know if this is an agreeable arrangement and your  thoughts on how we
proceed from here. Any responses should be directed to my work email which
is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks in advance...
Eric

 I've had a number of people inquire about the status of the package,
 but so far no one willing to volunteer to move things forward. If
 you (or anyone else) is interested, I'd be happy to provide any
 guidance I can.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?

2002-10-31 Thread Andy McKay
I got a hacked together version of WebServices sort of working at
ActiveState at the around the same time Brian was working on that code. I
think its still working, but its no where near complete:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Syndication. Unfortunately you'd have to
smile sweetly at ActiveState to get the code from them, if a quick toy,
hacky implementation is all you need that might be the way.

I'd really like to look at WebServices for Zope 3, perhaps it is one area I
can help. Part of the problem I think was that Web Services did not slot
into Zope 2 nicely especially with the automagical nature of things like
XMLRPC. The Zope3 View architecture seems to be the way to go and provide a
good opportunity for this.

 There is not currently (or at least there wasn't
 last I checked) a drop-in library for this that exposed what I
 felt would be needed, and I definitely don't have the time to
 implement one :)

I haven't looked at ZSI for a while but as I think that was the most
promising package at the time.

But I'm not promising or commiting to anything because if I do it's doomed
not to happen.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?

2002-10-31 Thread Andy McKay
 What I am able to offer is 1-2 fulltime software engineers for as long as
it
 takes  to do this right.  I have read your proposal (just after you
released
 it last year) and thought it very well done.  I like the implementation
you
 describe and agree with your proposal 100%. The time frame that I am
talking
 about (fulltime developer support) is beginning in January.  If it is
 possible to get some preliminary stuff out of the way before hand, that
 would be great.  If it would require some face time with you, that would
be
 possible as well.

If its in Jan. would looking at Zope 3 be a better idea?
--
  Andy McKay
  www.agmweb.ca



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Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?

2002-10-31 Thread Eric Roby
Andy,

I wondered about that.  I have been following some of the dialog on the Zope
3 dev list but it is unclear to me its status.  We (my office) would like to
have the Web Services capability by July/August time frame (earlier if
possible), so don't know if that falls in line with a stable Zope 3.  Your
thoughts...

Eric


 If its in Jan. would looking at Zope 3 be a better idea?
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   www.agmweb.ca


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RE: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope; what happened?

2002-10-30 Thread Brian Lloyd
 I'd like to know what happened to this proposal:
 http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/WebServicesForZope/FrontPage

 Is the WebServices package (CVS) working? Any technical reason why it was
 discontinued?

 Thanks,
 Stefan

I'd still like to see that get finished one day. What happened is
that a) there are no paying customers driving continued development
and b) I haven't had any extra time to devote to it for a long
while.

Parts of it are working (see the unit tests for info). As for
technical reasons, the next big step is to parse and model
XML Schema info. There is not currently (or at least there wasn't
last I checked) a drop-in library for this that exposed what I
felt would be needed, and I definitely don't have the time to
implement one :)

An alternative would be to implement interfaces similar to what
Apache's Axis does (punt and let the programmer figure it out)
when faced with non-simple data types.

There are enough technologies (and constant changes to those
technologies) in the WS world that it requires real stakeholders,
people who use WS as a part of their day job to keep up
and manage a real-world usable Web Services package. Right now
I don't use WS in my day job, so I'm not that guy.

I've had a number of people inquire about the status of the package,
but so far no one willing to volunteer to move things forward. If
you (or anyone else) is interested, I'd be happy to provide any
guidance I can.



Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED]
V.P. Engineering   540.361.1716
Zope Corporation   http://www.zope.com




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Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope

2001-09-27 Thread kapil thangavelu

On Wednesday 26 September 2001 04:41 pm, Andy McKay wrote:

 trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours

they're is a python script/product on ibm.com/developer that will automate 
much of the wsdl generation or you. its linked from one of uche's web 
services articles. its under the IPL (ibm pl).

hth

kapil

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Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope

2001-09-27 Thread kapil thangavelu

On Thursday 27 September 2001 08:15 am, Brian Lloyd wrote:
  Can I ask what the current status of the WebServices for Zope project is?
 
  http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/WebServicesForZope/FrontPage
 
  Wiki says I had been shooting for something at the end of September, but
  that has been overtaken by events :( I'll be trying to work on this on an
  as-possible basis
 
  trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours
  --
Andy McKay.

 Well... the status is that I'm trying to work on it on an
 as-possible basis :) The problem is that it hasn't been very
 possible for the last few weeks.


i've been very curious, what the plan is for attacking the no magic problem 
described on the wiki. my understanding is this isn't possible without 
altering the publishing process. i guess i was curious if the component based 
publisher that was talked about at ipc9 was ever going to see the light of 
day or if there was another strategy that would work as well.

curious,

kapil thangavelu

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RE: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope

2001-09-26 Thread sean . upton

 {snip}

 trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours

Hmm... in the interim, what about using ZPT (+ParsedXML, of course) and a
few python scripts to do this?

Sean
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Re: [Zope-dev] Web Services for Zope

2001-09-26 Thread Andy McKay

Ugh ZPT to read through my .py files?

Parsing the .py files is relatively straight forward, and writing out xml is
easy. But its bits like variable types that get tricky.

Cheers.
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  {snip}
 
  trying-to-auto-generate-a-wsdl-from-my-product'ly yours

 Hmm... in the interim, what about using ZPT (+ParsedXML, of course) and a
 few python scripts to do this?

 Sean
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