Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-11 Thread Chris Withers
Gary Poster wrote:
 Where's the visual diff?
 Where's the interactive log of revisions?
 Where's the repository browser?
 
 FWIW, I don't know if TortoiseBzr has this.  I'd be surprised if it 
 didn't have these, especially the first two. 

TortoiseSVN's log is now *very* interactive. I'd be surprised if 
TortoiseBzr *did* haev that level of interactivity, given how many years 
it took tsvn to grow it ;-)

 Does it work the same on Windows, Ubuntu and Mac OS?
 
 (I assume you mean bzr vs.svn, rather than TortoiseBzr vs. TortoiseSvn; 
 AFAICT, Tortoise* is Windows only.)

No, I mean TortoiseBzr. As I said to Mark Hammond when chatting about 
Bzr, having a *great* gui tool equivalent to TortoiseSvn that worked 
*cross platform* would be a *major* reason to move to that rcs. Anything 
less is just interesting.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Laurence Rowe wrote:
 Previously Marius Gedminas wrote:
 BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH.  Am I lucky?
 Yes. Blocking ssh is very common in larger companies in me experience.
 
 An ssh server running on port 443 (HTTPS) can come in very handy. ssh -D 
 gives you a socks proxy, tsocks makes using this transparent (e.g. 
 tsocks bin/buildout). Failing that, 3G modems are quite reasonable nowdays.

I'd like to see you do either of these two tricks on a big corporate's 
network, particularly the latter, for any length of time and keep your 
job...

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Dieter Maurer wrote:
 Unless newer SVN versions improved on this: using different
 access protocols is hampered by svn:external as they were (still
 are?) required to be absolute urls (including the protocal).

 This way, the access protocol may change in between of a checkout
 (involving svn:externals).
 
 svn:externals can be relative in many ways since SVN 1.5.

Just beware, 1.5 sucks:

http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/84308/focus=84019
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/87346/focus=87525

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Laurence Rowe
2009/4/6 Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk:
 Laurence Rowe wrote:

 Previously Marius Gedminas wrote:

 BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH.  Am I lucky?

 Yes. Blocking ssh is very common in larger companies in me experience.

 An ssh server running on port 443 (HTTPS) can come in very handy. ssh -D
 gives you a socks proxy, tsocks makes using this transparent (e.g. tsocks
 bin/buildout). Failing that, 3G modems are quite reasonable nowdays.

 I'd like to see you do either of these two tricks on a big corporate's
 network, particularly the latter, for any length of time and keep your
 job...

Nah, this would only be a problem if you worked with the IT
department, everyone else prefers that you get more work done.
Obviously with the 3G card my laptop was not connected to the network.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:32, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote:
 Just beware, 1.5 sucks:

 http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/84308/focus=84019
 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/87346/focus=87525

It sucks for very specific cases, namely tight access control on
sub-paths. I don't see such cases, and I see speed improvements
instead.

Note that we are now up to svn 1.6.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Pieters wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:32, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote:
 Just beware, 1.5 sucks:

 http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/84308/focus=84019
 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/87346/focus=87525
 
 It sucks for very specific cases, namely tight access control on
 sub-paths. 

I'm more worried about the lack of merging working and random errors 
when adding files. Those are pretty serious failures from where I'm 
sitting...

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martijn Pieters wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:32, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote:
  Just beware, 1.5 sucks:
 
  http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/84308/focus=84019
  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/87346/focus=87525
 
 It sucks for very specific cases, namely tight access control on
 sub-paths. I don't see such cases, and I see speed improvements
 instead.
 
 Note that we are now up to svn 1.6.

Which still does not fix this, and is preventing people from upgrading
to the 1.5 client, and thus from using checkouts using relative paths.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:39, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote:
 I'm more worried about the lack of merging working and random errors
 when adding files. Those are pretty serious failures from where I'm
 sitting...

The merging is due to lack of merging info when branching, the 'random
errors' are not random but due to svn info being out-of-date after a
commit. svn up has always solved that for me. Yes, the latter is a
bug, but I suspect it is already solved in 1.6 (didn't test that yet
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Pieters wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:53, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
 Note that we are now up to svn 1.6.
 Which still does not fix this, and is preventing people from upgrading
 to the 1.5 client, and thus from using checkouts using relative paths.
 
 Bugger, that is indeed correct. I may not have any problems (and a
 workaround for svn bug 3119) but that doesn't mean we can ask other
 people that need access to more tightly ACL-ed repositories to put up
 with subversion 1.5 and 1.6.

To be honest, the state of svn 1.5 is what's getting me to think about 
looking at mercurial.

(bzr didn't take my fancy, and hg is gonna be used by the python-core 
folks, so I might as well learn that...)

Sadly, I suspect none of the tools are as advanced as TortoiseSVN. Which 
is a real shame :-( Perforce maybe? ;-)

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:53, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
 Note that we are now up to svn 1.6.

 Which still does not fix this, and is preventing people from upgrading
 to the 1.5 client, and thus from using checkouts using relative paths.

Bugger, that is indeed correct. I may not have any problems (and a
workaround for svn bug 3119) but that doesn't mean we can ask other
people that need access to more tightly ACL-ed repositories to put up
with subversion 1.5 and 1.6.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Poster

On Apr 6, 2009, at 6:51 AM, Chris Withers wrote:

 Martijn Pieters wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:53, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net  
 wrote:
 Note that we are now up to svn 1.6.
 Which still does not fix this, and is preventing people from  
 upgrading
 to the 1.5 client, and thus from using checkouts using relative  
 paths.

 Bugger, that is indeed correct. I may not have any problems (and a
 workaround for svn bug 3119) but that doesn't mean we can ask other
 people that need access to more tightly ACL-ed repositories to put up
 with subversion 1.5 and 1.6.

 To be honest, the state of svn 1.5 is what's getting me to think about
 looking at mercurial.

 (bzr didn't take my fancy, and hg is gonna be used by the python-core
 folks, so I might as well learn that...)

 Sadly, I suspect none of the tools are as advanced as TortoiseSVN.  
 Which
 is a real shame :-( Perforce maybe? ;-)

Fair enough that bzr didn't take your fancy, but FWIW, did you try  
TortoiseBzr?  That has received love relatively recently.

Gary

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Poster


On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Chris Withers wrote:


Gary Poster wrote:
Sadly, I suspect none of the tools are as advanced as TortoiseSVN.  
Which

is a real shame :-( Perforce maybe? ;-)
Fair enough that bzr didn't take your fancy, but FWIW, did you try  
TortoiseBzr?  That has received love relatively recently.


I'm looking at this:

http://bazaar-vcs.org/TortoiseBzr/Screenshots

Where's the visual diff?
Where's the interactive log of revisions?
Where's the repository browser?


FWIW, I don't know if TortoiseBzr has this.  I'd be surprised if it  
didn't have these, especially the first two.  It would be cool if  
someone with easy access to Windows were to check this out.   
Otherwise, I'll give it a try eventually and report back myself.


(If it has these features, I'll try to figure out someone to ask to  
get that page updated.)



Does it work the same on Windows, Ubuntu and Mac OS?


(I assume you mean bzr vs.svn, rather than TortoiseBzr vs.  
TortoiseSvn; AFAICT, Tortoise* is Windows only.)


Well, the EOL problem has been the only bzr kicker there.  That was  
just addressed, spurred most recently in part because of the concerns  
from the Zope community; I don't know if it is in 1.13 or the upcoming  
1.14.  Other than that, I think bzr cares a fair amount about Windows  
(and certainly about Ubuntu and Mac).


http://tortoisesvn.net/image/tid/13 gives a fair idea of the kinds  
of things I'd need to feel compelled to change...


Right.  Looks nice enough.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Marius Gedminas wrote at 2009-4-3 01:34 +0300:
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:31:00PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
 So, svn.zope.org causes me pain at the moment:
 
 - it uses the bizarre svn or svn+ssh protocols, which I find annoying 
 (ports blocked on routers, can't check with a browser, etc)

+10 for continuing to support svn+ssh, it's the best thing ever!

* secure (passphrase-protected key)
* convenient (ssh-agent means you only type the passphrase once)
* convenient to use remotely (ssh agent forwarding means I ssh into
  a remote server and can use svn without having to store a key or a
  password anywhere on that remote server)

The story may be different for Windows users (as usual).

+0.5 for alternatively accepting authenticated https access (I'm not the
admin, so it doesn't cost me, but I'm also not going to use it)

Unless newer SVN versions improved on this: using different
access protocols is hampered by svn:external as they were (still
are?) required to be absolute urls (including the protocal).

This way, the access protocol may change in between of a checkout
(involving svn:externals).



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Dieter Maurer wrote:
 Unless newer SVN versions improved on this: using different
 access protocols is hampered by svn:external as they were (still
 are?) required to be absolute urls (including the protocal).
 
 This way, the access protocol may change in between of a checkout
 (involving svn:externals).

svn:externals can be relative in many ways since SVN 1.5.

Hanno

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:10:10AM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote:
 Marius Gedminas wrote at 2009-4-3 01:34 +0300:
 On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:31:00PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
  So, svn.zope.org causes me pain at the moment:
  
  - it uses the bizarre svn or svn+ssh protocols, which I find annoying 
  (ports blocked on routers, can't check with a browser, etc)
 
 +10 for continuing to support svn+ssh, it's the best thing ever!
 
 * secure (passphrase-protected key)
 * convenient (ssh-agent means you only type the passphrase once)
 * convenient to use remotely (ssh agent forwarding means I ssh into
   a remote server and can use svn without having to store a key or a
   password anywhere on that remote server)
 
 The story may be different for Windows users (as usual).
 
 +0.5 for alternatively accepting authenticated https access (I'm not the
 admin, so it doesn't cost me, but I'm also not going to use it)
 
 Unless newer SVN versions improved on this: using different
 access protocols is hampered by svn:external as they were (still
 are?) required to be absolute urls (including the protocal).
 
 This way, the access protocol may change in between of a checkout
 (involving svn:externals).

This is a very good point I'd forgotten about.  However, currently the
existing svn:externals all point to read-only svn:// URLs, and switching
them to http:// would not change anything substantially.

Subversion 1.5 lets you use relative URLs in svn:external, if you're
willing to forgo compatibility with Subversion 1.4 clients.
See http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/svn.advanced.externals.html

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 17:48, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
 This is a very good point I'd forgotten about.  However, currently the
 existing svn:externals all point to read-only svn:// URLs, and switching
 them to http:// would not change anything substantially.

Nope, but switching then to https:// would. But switching to relative
URLs would also solve them problem.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-04 Thread Laurence Rowe
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
 Previously Marius Gedminas wrote:
 BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH.  Am I lucky?
 
 Yes. Blocking ssh is very common in larger companies in me experience.

An ssh server running on port 443 (HTTPS) can come in very handy. ssh -D 
gives you a socks proxy, tsocks makes using this transparent (e.g. 
tsocks bin/buildout). Failing that, 3G modems are quite reasonable nowdays.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-04 Thread Lennart Regebro
My 2 cents:

I like svn over https. It works reliably, and is easy to use, and
externals work as expected, etcs.

So I'm +1 on allowing https access.

That said, svn+ssh tunnels svn over ssh, and if you are in a place
where ssh doesn't work, you need to find the network admit and punch
him in the face.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Gary Poster

On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Gary Poster wrote:

 I'd like to report back on the progress that Bzr/Launchpad has made
 addressing concerns we heard since I last brought up Canonical's  
 offer
 to host the code and contribute commercial support for the  
 transition.

[snip saying I'll do it later, and apology for misunderstanding of  
Foundation membership]

 The foundation members are a *subset* of all committers, with  
 sponsoring
 companies added on.  There are under 50 nominated members (formerly
 committer members, whereas there are something like 375 committers.

 Any decision to move the repository will need to be formally made by  
 the
 foundation (via its board), but that would only happen if the  
 consensus
 of the members and the wider community were clearly in favor of a  
 move.

Good to know, thank you.

Off to write the email...

Gary
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Jim Fulton

On Apr 2, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote:

 - the web front end is ancient and not as good as other options  
 (Trac,
 WebSVN)

 +1 for having trac as a subversion browser.

 In fact, see http://zope3.pov.lt/trac

 The svn repository mirror used by that trac instance is updated with
 svnsync every 5 minutes

Should we all just use that?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 14:41, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
 Should we all just use that?

It's running trac 0.10. I'd love to see trac 0.11, which has
additional features that I miss every time I use a 0.10 trac instance,
such as the annotate view.

Also, I'd include the subversion location plugin, which includes a
link to the http:// or svn+ssh:// url for the currently viewed
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 03:04:47PM +0200, Martijn Pieters wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 14:41, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
  Should we all just use that?

(that being http://zope3.pov.lt/trac)

Sure, I don't mind.  It sits behind an ADSL line with puny uplink (512
Kbit/s), but I don't think that will be a problem.

 It's running trac 0.10. I'd love to see trac 0.11, which has
 additional features that I miss every time I use a 0.10 trac instance,
 such as the annotate view.

Trac 0.11 has annotate?

*WANT*

 Also, I'd include the subversion location plugin, which includes a
 link to the http:// or svn+ssh:// url for the currently viewed
 location, for easy checking out.

Sounds good.

I'll look into this some time soon.  Ping me in a week or so if I forget.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Andreas Jung
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On 03.04.2009 17:22 Uhr, Marius Gedminas wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 03:04:47PM +0200, Martijn Pieters wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 14:41, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
 Should we all just use that?
 
 (that being http://zope3.pov.lt/trac)
 
 Sure, I don't mind.  It sits behind an ADSL line with puny uplink (512
 Kbit/s), but I don't think that will be a problem.

Nothing against your generous offer but I think that trac belongs as
a central service on the central repository server.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Withers
Marius Gedminas wrote:
 The story may be different for Windows users (as usual).
 
 +0.5 for alternatively accepting authenticated https access (I'm not the
 admin, so it doesn't cost me, but I'm also not going to use it)
 
 BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH.  Am I lucky?

Yup.

 In fact, see http://zope3.pov.lt/trac
 
 The svn repository mirror used by that trac instance is updated with
 svnsync every 5 minutes.

Wouldn't it be great if you didn't have to do the mirroring (which must 
do a bit of pounding on svn.zope.org)

 I would not mind spending some time in a sprint writing a Zope 3 svn key
 management web app, but that's only a small part of the solution.
 Authentication and deployment are the other---bigger--two parts.

Yes, this was why I was asking on the Foundation list: I want to know 
what's happening about what machines get used for this stuff...

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote:
 Sure, I don't mind.  It sits behind an ADSL line with puny uplink (512
 Kbit/s), but I don't think that will be a problem.
 
 Nothing against your generous offer but I think that trac belongs as
 a central service on the central repository server.

+1, although if we were to give Marius access to the box, I'm sure he 
could set it up there and we'd all get what we want (including Marius 
desire to do the work ;-) )

cheers,

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Marius Gedminas wrote:
 BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH.  Am I lucky?

Yes. Blocking ssh is very common in larger companies in me experience.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton

On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
 For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http
 basic auth for access with more people having access to update the
 passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface.


I absolutely *hate* using https to access subversion.  This involves  
storing a key in plane text in my home directory, which is terrible.   
I far prefer using ssh-based infrastructure for this sort of thing.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
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On 02.04.2009 20:39 Uhr, Jim Fulton wrote:
 On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
 For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http
 basic auth for access with more people having access to update the
 passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface.
 
 
 I absolutely *hate* using https to access subversion.  This involves  
 storing a key in plane text in my home directory, which is terrible.   
 I far prefer using ssh-based infrastructure for this sort of thing.
 
 
Really? I have never stored a plain text password for SVN over https
within my home dir. I also can not find anything related within
.subversion/ in my home dir.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jacob Holm
Jim Fulton wrote:
 On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
   
 For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http
 basic auth for access with more people having access to update the
 passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface.
 


 I absolutely *hate* using https to access subversion.  This involves  
 storing a key in plane text in my home directory, which is terrible.   
 I far prefer using ssh-based infrastructure for this sort of thing.

   

For write access I completely agree. For read-only unauthenticated 
access it would be nice to be able to use http(s). It may be possible to 
have it all at the same time.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton

On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
 This involves storing a key in plane text in my home directory,  
 which is terrible.

 How do you not have the same thing with ssh?

ssh keys are pass-phrase protected and ssh-agent allows me to enter  
the pass phrase once in a session.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote:
 
 On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
 For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http
 basic auth for access with more people having access to update the
 passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface.
 
 
 I absolutely *hate* using https to access subversion. 

Well, I absolutely *hate* using ssh to access subversion.

 This involves 
 storing a key in plane text in my home directory, which is terrible. 

How do you not have the same thing with ssh?

Myself, I work from a variety of machines on a variety of different 
platforms, and trying to juggle multiple public keys with undocumented 
and unsupported upload facilities is painful. The alternative is to try 
and juggle one public key across multiple machines and ssh 
implementations which is just as painful, not to mention insecure.

 I 
 far prefer using ssh-based infrastructure for this sort of thing.

I prefer using password-protected (as opposed to key-protected) https.
What do other people prefer?

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 19:44 +0100:
 ...
I prefer using password-protected (as opposed to key-protected) https.
What do other people prefer?

I am fine with the ssh access.

True, the initial setup was a bit difficult (the key program
did not like the . in d.maurer -- but forgot to tell so)
but Jim spare enough time to help me overcome the problem.
After I changed my username from d.maurer to dmaurer,
everything worked immediately.

I would not like to enter my password every time I call svn.
If this can be arranged, I am content.



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote:
 I would not like to enter my password every time I call svn.
 If this can be arranged, I am content.

It can, and with svn 1.6 it's even secure :-)

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jacob Holm wrote at 2009-4-2 20:44 +0200:
 ...
For write access I completely agree. For read-only unauthenticated 
access it would be nice to be able to use http(s). It may be possible to 
have it all at the same time.

I have been told that there are mirrors of the Zope SVN repository
providing read access via http.



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote:
 
 I have been told that there are mirrors of the Zope SVN repository
 providing read access via http.

Shame none of them is advertised anywhere...

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:31:00PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
 So, svn.zope.org causes me pain at the moment:
 
 - it uses the bizarre svn or svn+ssh protocols, which I find annoying 
 (ports blocked on routers, can't check with a browser, etc)

+10 for continuing to support svn+ssh, it's the best thing ever!

* secure (passphrase-protected key)
* convenient (ssh-agent means you only type the passphrase once)
* convenient to use remotely (ssh agent forwarding means I ssh into
  a remote server and can use svn without having to store a key or a
  password anywhere on that remote server)

The story may be different for Windows users (as usual).

+0.5 for alternatively accepting authenticated https access (I'm not the
admin, so it doesn't cost me, but I'm also not going to use it)

BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH.  Am I lucky?

 - the web front end is ancient and not as good as other options (Trac, 
 WebSVN)

+1 for having trac as a subversion browser.

In fact, see http://zope3.pov.lt/trac

The svn repository mirror used by that trac instance is updated with
svnsync every 5 minutes.

 - the process for adding keys is baroque and managed by one person who 
 is too busy to help with it (Jim)

I would not mind spending some time in a sprint writing a Zope 3 svn key
management web app, but that's only a small part of the solution.
Authentication and deployment are the other---bigger--two parts.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Gary Poster

On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote:

 Hey All,

...

 The other option would be to follow Python and move to Mercurial, but
 that has the same problems for me as with Bzr (no decent gui tools,  
 less
 mature, etc) although it's a toolset I'll have to learn at some point
 anyway...

I'd like to report back on the progress that Bzr/Launchpad has made  
addressing concerns we heard since I last brought up Canonical's offer  
to host the code and contribute commercial support for the transition.

When I do that, I'll do it on zope-dev, assuming that Tres' statement  
in this thread that we should discuss there is authoritative.  (I  
thought the people on Foundations were the superset of people who  
commit to the repo, but I guess I was mistaken.  Sorry for my  
misunderstanding.)

However, I just got back from a long trip, and I'm going to spend some  
time with my family.  I'll write something up to zope-dev tomorrow.

Gary
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Tres Seaver
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Gary Poster wrote:

 I'd like to report back on the progress that Bzr/Launchpad has made  
 addressing concerns we heard since I last brought up Canonical's offer  
 to host the code and contribute commercial support for the transition.
 
 When I do that, I'll do it on zope-dev, assuming that Tres' statement  
 in this thread that we should discuss there is authoritative.  (I  
 thought the people on Foundations were the superset of people who  
 commit to the repo, but I guess I was mistaken.  Sorry for my  
 misunderstanding.)

The foundation members are a *subset* of all committers, with sponsoring
companies added on.  There are under 50 nominated members (formerly
committer members, whereas there are something like 375 committers.

Any decision to move the repository will need to be formally made by the
foundation (via its board), but that would only happen if the consensus
of the members and the wider community were clearly in favor of a move.



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