Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-04-02 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 05:34, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Eeek. Any idea how that happened? Presumably, thread control in a WSGI
 scenario would be up to the WSGI web server, not Zope 2.

Which may be the case here to, ie, it was the Twisted integration that
was single threaded. I don't remember the details any more actually. I
also don't remember how the thread support with ZServer works.

 I implemented IStreamIterator support in repoze.zope2; it's actually
 pretty easy, since a stream iterator is an iterable, just like a WSGI
 response. I think you can just chuck it back. The only thing to watch
 out for is that you don't accidentally unwind it anywhere.

Sounds good.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-04-01 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 03:55, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
 FWIW, I'm scheduled to sprint on finishing my cleanup of
 ZPublisher.WSGIResponse with the WebLion guys at or around PSE in May.

Cleanup, really? Since the repoze effort reimplemented the publisher I
had the feeling that the old experimental WSGI support was trash and
needed to be thrown out.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-04-01 Thread Tres Seaver
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Lennart Regebro wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 03:55, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
 FWIW, I'm scheduled to sprint on finishing my cleanup of
 ZPublisher.WSGIResponse with the WebLion guys at or around PSE in May.
 
 Cleanup, really? Since the repoze effort reimplemented the publisher I
 had the feeling that the old experimental WSGI support was trash and
 needed to be thrown out.

The repoze.zope2 reimplementation was a bandaid:  we would like to fix
the actual underlying issues.  I went down the rabbit hole of cleaning
it up over Christmas break:

 $ svn log --stop-on-copy \
   svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/branches/tseaver-fix_wsgi/

As you can see from the diffs, I gut sidetracked writing tests for
HTTPResponse, since I needed to make changes to it to do the WSGI fix,
and it was effectively untested.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-04-01 Thread Tres Seaver
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Martin Aspeli wrote:
 Tres Seaver wrote:
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 Martin Aspeli wrote:

 What's the next step? I'd love to see some roadmapping ala that you did
 for Plone 5, in particular to discuss our WSGI story (which I'm
 interested in helping out with if others can help too).
 FWIW, I'm scheduled to sprint on finishing my cleanup of
 ZPublisher.WSGIResponse with the WebLion guys at or around PSE in May.
 
 That's awesome! :-)
 
 Is there a list somewhere about what remains of this work, i.e. what's 
 broken and what features are missing?

Nope:  the thing I know of for sure is that some images bork their
content length (like ZMI icons) under WSGI.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-04-01 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 15:53, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
 As you can see from the diffs, I gut sidetracked writing tests for
 HTTPResponse, since I needed to make changes to it to do the WSGI fix,
 and it was effectively untested.

Very cool!
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-04-01 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 18:24, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 15:53, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
 As you can see from the diffs, I gut sidetracked writing tests for
 HTTPResponse, since I needed to make changes to it to do the WSGI fix,
 and it was effectively untested.

 Very cool!

I vaguely seem to remember that I discovered that it in practice was
single-threaded, which of course is a disaster.
Also there was no streaming support, and the configuration assumed
that the WSGI server you were using was Twisted, but that is probably
one of the least tricky things to fix. In fact the whole point at that
times was to be able to use Twisted, and WSGI was only one way there.
This obviously has changed, now WSGI is the goal.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-04-01 Thread Martin Aspeli
Lennart Regebro wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 18:24, Lennart Regebrorege...@gmail.com  wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 15:53, Tres Seavertsea...@palladion.com  wrote:
 As you can see from the diffs, I gut sidetracked writing tests for
 HTTPResponse, since I needed to make changes to it to do the WSGI fix,
 and it was effectively untested.
 Very cool!

 I vaguely seem to remember that I discovered that it in practice was
 single-threaded, which of course is a disaster.

Eeek. Any idea how that happened? Presumably, thread control in a WSGI 
scenario would be up to the WSGI web server, not Zope 2.

 Also there was no streaming support

I implemented IStreamIterator support in repoze.zope2; it's actually 
pretty easy, since a stream iterator is an iterable, just like a WSGI 
response. I think you can just chuck it back. The only thing to watch 
out for is that you don't accidentally unwind it anywhere.

, and the configuration assumed
 that the WSGI server you were using was Twisted, but that is probably
 one of the least tricky things to fix. In fact the whole point at that
 times was to be able to use Twisted, and WSGI was only one way there.
 This obviously has changed, now WSGI is the goal.

I think testing with the Paste server is probably the best idea.

Martin

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 31.03.2010, 14:39 Uhr, schrieb Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu:

 I'm planning to make a 2.12.4 release on Easter Monday (April 5). You
 have until then to ask questions and complain

Hi Hanno,

great that you'll be Release Manager. I only have questions on the  
forthcoming release - a summary of the proposed changes / bugfixes for us  
to moan about! ;-)

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Charlie Clark
charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote:
 great that you'll be Release Manager. I only have questions on the
 forthcoming release - a summary of the proposed changes / bugfixes for us
 to moan about! ;-)

We release whatever is on the stable branch, as seen at
http://svn.zope.org/Zope/branches/2.12/doc/CHANGES.rst?view=markup

You moan about things when they get checked in. Otherwise silence is
consent. Unless I'll use my dictator power for a release of course ;-)

Hanno
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 31.03.2010, 14:59 Uhr, schrieb Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu:

 We release whatever is on the stable branch, as seen at
 http://svn.zope.org/Zope/branches/2.12/doc/CHANGES.rst?view=markup
 You moan about things when they get checked in. Otherwise silence is
 consent. Unless I'll use my dictator power for a release of course

Looks all good to me.

- Restore ability to traverse to 'macros' on template-based browser views

I've probably been struggling with this on my current project. What are  
the tell-tale signs? Don't see a bug number and a quick search of the  
mailing list throws up nothing.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Andreas Jung
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Hanno, thanks a lot for jumping on the Zope 2 boat. I can not think of
any other person being better suited for the new Zope 2 releases than
Hanno especially because the Plone and Zope 2 project will leverage from
each other.

Good luck!

Andreas

Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 I was in too much of a good mood while having some vacation. So I
 thought I need more work to do :)
 
 I'd like to step up as the release manager for Zope2 for the 2.12 and
 2.13 (trunk) releases.
 
 I've gotten an overwhelmingly positive response to this proposal from
 the Zope Foundation board. The ZF board was discussing a general
 release manager process. This discussion will become obsolete, should
 nobody in the Zope2 developer community have significant objections
 against my proposal. Unless there is a real need for it, the Zope
 Foundation will continue to stay out of direct decisions on the
 development process.
 
 QA
 
 Who am I?
 
 I'm going to assume everyone on this list knows me by now. Should you
 have any questions, please feel free to ask.
 
 
 You know this is Zope2 and not Plone?
 
 Indeed. I hope I have shown in the past, that I'm able to distinguish
 between the two. And what is appropriate and sensible for Zope2 with
 its many different consumers. Plone might be a major consumer of
 Zope2, but it's not the only one. Since I only use Zope2 as a base for
 Plone, I do have a certain bias.
 
 
 Wait, you say 2.12 and 2.13, what about 2.11 and before?
 
 Sorry, I have to pick my playground. The non-eggified Zope2 releases
 are very different in their release procedures. I find that process to
 be tedious and no fun at all, so I'm not going to spent my free time
 on it. Should nobody else step up to act as a release manager for
 those releases, they will be unsupported.
 
 
 Are you a new Andreas?
 
 Nobody can replace Andreas and the tremendous amount of time and
 dedication he has shown. Personally I do not care about evangelizing
 Zope2 or helping out end-users on mailing lists amongst others. So no,
 I'm not going to do all the work Andreas did. I'm only here to help
 out as a release manager, whose job it is to get stable releases out.
 I do read the developers mailing lists and watch the bug trackers, I
 don't read any users mailing list or see it as my job to fix or
 respond to every bug anyone reports.
 
 
 What about that Plone release manager position?
 
 I am currently the release manager for Plone 5. We have clarified the
 overall roadmap for Plone 5, and we aren't going to work on any of the
 formal release parts for the next 12 months or longer. The current
 focus is on the Plone 4.x release series, where Eric Steele serves as
 the release manager. So while I'm going to keep my post as a Plone
 release manager, it currently doesn't involve any time commitments.
 
 
 What about Zope 2.14 or beyond?
 
 Nobody knows yet. We will see once we get there. My formal commitment
 is for 2.12 and 2.13.
 
 
 Are you insane?
 
 Maybe a little bit. But seriously if anyone knows anyone else who
 would be interested in this job, speak up. I haven't seen anyone else
 since Andreas stepped down. And I happen to work for a company which
 is 100% dependent on Zope / Plone for their income stream. While I'm
 doing this in my spare time, I do have a very real need for Zope2
 releases.
 
 
 I'm planning to make a 2.12.4 release on Easter Monday (April 5). You
 have until then to ask questions and complain :)
 
 Hanno
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Maurits van Rees
Op 31-03-10 14:39, Hanno Schlichting schreef:
 Hi there,

 I was in too much of a good mood while having some vacation. So I
 thought I need more work to do :)

 I'd like to step up as the release manager for Zope2 for the 2.12 and
 2.13 (trunk) releases.

This is great news.  Thanks, Hanno!

Maurits


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Tres Seaver
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Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 I was in too much of a good mood while having some vacation. So I
 thought I need more work to do :)
 
 I'd like to step up as the release manager for Zope2 for the 2.12 and
 2.13 (trunk) releases.
 
 I've gotten an overwhelmingly positive response to this proposal from
 the Zope Foundation board. The ZF board was discussing a general
 release manager process. This discussion will become obsolete, should
 nobody in the Zope2 developer community have significant objections
 against my proposal. Unless there is a real need for it, the Zope
 Foundation will continue to stay out of direct decisions on the
 development process.
 
 QA
 
 Who am I?
 
 I'm going to assume everyone on this list knows me by now. Should you
 have any questions, please feel free to ask.
 
 
 You know this is Zope2 and not Plone?
 
 Indeed. I hope I have shown in the past, that I'm able to distinguish
 between the two. And what is appropriate and sensible for Zope2 with
 its many different consumers. Plone might be a major consumer of
 Zope2, but it's not the only one. Since I only use Zope2 as a base for
 Plone, I do have a certain bias.
 
 
 Wait, you say 2.12 and 2.13, what about 2.11 and before?
 
 Sorry, I have to pick my playground. The non-eggified Zope2 releases
 are very different in their release procedures. I find that process to
 be tedious and no fun at all, so I'm not going to spent my free time
 on it. Should nobody else step up to act as a release manager for
 those releases, they will be unsupported.
 
 
 Are you a new Andreas?
 
 Nobody can replace Andreas and the tremendous amount of time and
 dedication he has shown. Personally I do not care about evangelizing
 Zope2 or helping out end-users on mailing lists amongst others. So no,
 I'm not going to do all the work Andreas did. I'm only here to help
 out as a release manager, whose job it is to get stable releases out.
 I do read the developers mailing lists and watch the bug trackers, I
 don't read any users mailing list or see it as my job to fix or
 respond to every bug anyone reports.
 
 
 What about that Plone release manager position?
 
 I am currently the release manager for Plone 5. We have clarified the
 overall roadmap for Plone 5, and we aren't going to work on any of the
 formal release parts for the next 12 months or longer. The current
 focus is on the Plone 4.x release series, where Eric Steele serves as
 the release manager. So while I'm going to keep my post as a Plone
 release manager, it currently doesn't involve any time commitments.
 
 
 What about Zope 2.14 or beyond?
 
 Nobody knows yet. We will see once we get there. My formal commitment
 is for 2.12 and 2.13.
 
 
 Are you insane?
 
 Maybe a little bit. But seriously if anyone knows anyone else who
 would be interested in this job, speak up. I haven't seen anyone else
 since Andreas stepped down. And I happen to work for a company which
 is 100% dependent on Zope / Plone for their income stream. While I'm
 doing this in my spare time, I do have a very real need for Zope2
 releases.
 
 
 I'm planning to make a 2.12.4 release on Easter Monday (April 5). You
 have until then to ask questions and complain :)

An enthusiastic +1 from me:  I think you are an ideal candidate for the job.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Godefroid Chapelle
On 31/03/10 17:07, Tres Seaver wrote:
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 Hanno Schlichting wrote:

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 I'm planning to make a 2.12.4 release on Easter Monday (April 5). You
 have until then to ask questions and complain :)

 An enthusiastic +1 from me:  I think you are an ideal candidate for the job.


 Tres Seaver

Same enthusiastic support and thanks from me !

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Simon Michael
Terrific. Thanks!

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Hi there,

 I was in too much of a good mood while having some vacation. So I
 thought I need more work to do :)

 I'd like to step up as the release manager for Zope2 for the 2.12 and
 2.13 (trunk) releases.

Sucke^H^H^H^H^H Good man!

Very happy you're doing this. I was going to try to prod you into doing 
this, but thought it'd be cruel. You're the perfect person for the job.

 I'm planning to make a 2.12.4 release on Easter Monday (April 5). You
 have until then to ask questions and complain :)

Great news. There are some important bug fixes in there.

What's the next step? I'd love to see some roadmapping ala that you did 
for Plone 5, in particular to discuss our WSGI story (which I'm 
interested in helping out with if others can help too).

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Tres Seaver
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Martin Aspeli wrote:

 What's the next step? I'd love to see some roadmapping ala that you did 
 for Plone 5, in particular to discuss our WSGI story (which I'm 
 interested in helping out with if others can help too).

FWIW, I'm scheduled to sprint on finishing my cleanup of
ZPublisher.WSGIResponse with the WebLion guys at or around PSE in May.



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 - Release Manager

2010-03-31 Thread Martin Aspeli
Tres Seaver wrote:
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 Martin Aspeli wrote:

 What's the next step? I'd love to see some roadmapping ala that you did
 for Plone 5, in particular to discuss our WSGI story (which I'm
 interested in helping out with if others can help too).

 FWIW, I'm scheduled to sprint on finishing my cleanup of
 ZPublisher.WSGIResponse with the WebLion guys at or around PSE in May.

That's awesome! :-)

Is there a list somewhere about what remains of this work, i.e. what's 
broken and what features are missing?

Martin

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Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who
want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book

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