Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://modscape.com/zope New Foundation page. Try the nav. Only tested on Firefox/Mac so far. Personally, I hate sites that leave whacking great margins either ide of the actual content. Not sure about the colours or shadows either. And the left nav doesn't feel like a left nav to me, just seems like some entries vanish when you click on other entries :-S So far, version 3 of design 1 is still my favourite... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
Here we go again. Step 1. Propose a project to the Zope community. Step 2. Plone sucks / Plone is great battle begins, everyone complains about what they dont like. Step 3. No actual work ever gets done. Step 4. Repeat in 6 months. On Aug 28, 2006, at 5:24 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://modscape.com/zope New Foundation page. Try the nav. Only tested on Firefox/Mac so far. Personally, I hate sites that leave whacking great margins either ide of the actual content. Not sure about the colours or shadows either. And the left nav doesn't feel like a left nav to me, just seems like some entries vanish when you click on other entries :-S So far, version 3 of design 1 is still my favourite... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] zope.org portal_catalog queue hanging
The Zope.org portal_catalog queue is hanging again Thanks for looking into this Michael -- http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org portal_catalog queue hanging
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28 Aug 2006, at 13:22, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: The Zope.org portal_catalog queue is hanging again There was a stale lockfile again, and there's no obvious warning (and not even a working event log) for the instance that handles it. I have also changed the catalog configuration to immediately catalog everything that is not a TextIndex. There's no sane reason to wait with cataloging for indices that are either fast to catalog or relevant to security (allowedRolesAndUsers). jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE8tUoRAx5nvEhZLIRAtxtAJ9pjCFk2dMZQ6VT2f1NglcqtlqtsACggk5w fww/KRYPxUyEVYHCfsPr+PA= =GQLD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
On 8/28/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * I get text flowing into each other in the sidebar. About The Foundation overlaps whatever is on the next line, with the word Foundation on the next line. There's another such instance lower down, where it says Foundation..Projects? (can't read). This is on firefox 1.5 on linux. Hmm. Me too. But Firefox 1.5 on Windows work fine. I'll leave my comments, even though I'm protesting against this kind of design by comittee. :-) I'd prefer a top row of top categories, and a left-column of subcategories when it comes to navigaton. I don't mind leaving space at all. In fact, on a wide-screen sreen, not doing that makes the text have extremely long lines, which is hard to read. Of course, this should not be decided by margin-sizes, instead it should be the min content column that has a fixed sixe. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 8/28/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * I get text flowing into each other in the sidebar. About The Foundation overlaps whatever is on the next line, with the word Foundation on the next line. There's another such instance lower down, where it says Foundation..Projects? (can't read). This is on firefox 1.5 on linux. Hmm. Me too. But Firefox 1.5 on Windows work fine. Interesting. I'll leave my comments, even though I'm protesting against this kind of design by comittee. :-) Hm. In the end once I'm happy with the design, and I am very close to being happy, we'll proceed from there, unless someone can convince me otherwise. I use my special Zope Foundation powers here. :) That said, I think feedback from a range of people can be useful. I'd prefer a top row of top categories, and a left-column of subcategories when it comes to navigaton. Yes, this is actually, I think, the same as my feedback, effectively. A top row of major categories, similar to the menu in version 3, without the dropdowns, with a sidebar of categories too. I don't mind leaving space at all. In fact, on a wide-screen sreen, not doing that makes the text have extremely long lines, which is hard to read. Of course, this should not be decided by margin-sizes, instead it should be the min content column that has a fixed sixe. Right, while some margins would be all right with me too, the version 3 layout has *smaller* margins on at least my screen, and I was looking to replicate some of that structure in the new version. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Here we go again. Step 1. Propose a project to the Zope community. Step 2. Plone sucks / Plone is great battle begins, everyone complains about what they dont like. Step 3. No actual work ever gets done. Step 4. Repeat in 6 months. Hey Tom, thanks for your great designs. I think all of them are an improvement over the current one. One can tell you put a lot of work in them. Don't be irritated by ChrisW's occasional rants. It's not a personal thing. :) You asked for our thoughts in your original email and it seems that most people prefer Design 1 v3. Let me add my +1 to that as well. I for one think this one scales a lot better for different browser sizes than Design 2. I also think it's being brighter than Design 2 gives it a friendler tone. In fact, I think Design 1 v3 could use an even brighter blue (not too much, though)... Having to agree on a design is such a difficult task because it involves different people's tastes. We should be thankful when the consensus is as clear as it is now :). Keep up the good work, Philipp ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Here we go again. Step 1. Propose a project to the Zope community. Step 2. Plone sucks / Plone is great battle begins, everyone complains about what they dont like. Step 3. No actual work ever gets done. Step 4. Repeat in 6 months. Er, Tom, you asked for feedback... I *like* version 3 of design 1. I *really* like all the work you've put in to this. Given a choice between the latest design going in and nothing happening, I'd choose the latest design any day of the week. Given the choice betwen the latest design and version 3 of design one, I'd choose version 3 of design 1. I'm sorry not all feedback is positive, but if you don't want it, don't ask for it... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
Sorry Chris, I didnt mean to harsh on you. That was meant in fun as much as it is in truth. I dont mind any negative feedback, but what Im looking for more like: - What content do we need and where should it go. - Suggestions for better functionality (like the title bars of a table should be clickable to rank items by that criteria). - This page blows up in my browser or the nav doesnt work. - Suggestions for homepage content (News and updates RSS Feeds, Testmonials...). - Editing of text if some information is too wordy or confusing. - Site structure and content boxes, wireframes. Im trying to avoid things like: - I dont like that color. (Unless its really nasty this is 100% subjective) - Fixed width vs. Fluid layouts. (This debate has been around since tables. We need to just pick one. For every person that doesnt like the space on the side of the page with fixed width there will be another person who doesnt like the extra white space at the bottom of every page on fluid width layout) - Anything thats really subjective issue that can be debated ad infinitum. Im trying to avoid design by committee. Ive worked on like hundreds of TV and Radio websites and basically they all look a$$. This is because everyone from the morning show host to the general manager to the salespeople all b!tch and moan until they get what they want and the end product is hideous frankensite. I dont think that would happen here but I want put down the hammer anywhere I see it start to creep in. The big difference here as well is that the site will be built on Zope! This means was can all tweak it to our hearts content because it's built smart, on a flexible and scalable backend. Instead of trying to get something *great* out of the box, lets get up a *good* site and go from there and make it great. Lets get it up and running and functioning and focus on the content wrapped a good and nice design and go from there... I want to keep momentum on this. On Aug 28, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Here we go again. Step 1. Propose a project to the Zope community. Step 2. Plone sucks / Plone is great battle begins, everyone complains about what they dont like. Step 3. No actual work ever gets done. Step 4. Repeat in 6 months. Er, Tom, you asked for feedback... I *like* version 3 of design 1. I *really* like all the work you've put in to this. Given a choice between the latest design going in and nothing happening, I'd choose the latest design any day of the week. Given the choice betwen the latest design and version 3 of design one, I'd choose version 3 of design 1. I'm sorry not all feedback is positive, but if you don't want it, don't ask for it... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
Hey, Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: - What content do we need and where should it go. I'm working on the content itself, so no need to concern yourself too much with this during the design phase, except where it's needed to flesh out the design aspects, of course. As I already mentioned, I think a top-level navigation with left sidebar for subnavigation would be nice to see (though what you have works too). Also nice for content is the ability to easily include one or more blue boxes on the right sidebar. - Suggestions for better functionality (like the title bars of a table should be clickable to rank items by that criteria). Don't think we need such functionality yet, but I'll keep my eye out for it. - This page blows up in my browser or the nav doesnt work. Right, the left menu doesn't quite work in Firefox 1.5 on linux. - Suggestions for homepage content (News and updates RSS Feeds, Testmonials...). We're first looking into the foundation homepage. I've just written some text for it. We'll have news on it too, so a RSS/Atom feed button might be nice. These questions are of course important for the zope.org homepage proper. - Editing of text if some information is too wordy or confusing. Where'd you get the text from? I wasn't sure whether you were writing text too. :) [snip] Im trying to avoid design by committee. No worries, I've unilaterally declared myself the single point you need to talk to about this layout. I can do this as I represent the Zope Foundation board and am authorized to make decisions. (and because Aroldo, my board partner on zope-web, will hopefully let me get away with it. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
