Re: [ZWeb] [Zope-dev] Overhauling the Zope 2 presentation on zope.org

2009-02-21 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:14, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please go make this happen if you can. It's very important. I can't anymore.

As far as I can see, it's a question of
- setting up a server, I would recommend a Plone site with the new Zope theme.
- creating a zodb.zope.org DNS record and pointing it at that Zope site.
- pasting in the content.
- giving zodb people manager access to the plone site.

I can not technically do any of that, as I don't have a server to put
it on, no access to the Zope.org dns and no content. The rest I can
do. :)

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Re: [ZWeb] [Zope-dev] Overhauling the Zope 2 presentation on zope.org

2009-02-21 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:59, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote:
 We

Yes. But not *I*. And you asked if *I* could get it done. :) Perhaps
you meant if I could nag people into doing it. I doubt that I could.
I'm not good at making people do things for free. :)

I think the way your formulated this is indicative of the problems.
It's a case of Somebody is not working here. I.e. This should be
done or Somebody needs to do X. Well, there isn't anybody called
Somebody here, so as long as Somebody needs to do it, it won't get
done. :) This is one of the common obstacles of committee work, and it
seems zope-web unfortunately got a dose of it. Maybe we are getting
out of the slump thanks to Andreas, but if not I again suggest the
Zope Foundation appoints a Web Tsar with full access to everything
that gets completely free hands to do whatever he wants (after the
foundation has taken a backup of everything) and see what happens. :)
 I'm also lazy, which are the reasons I haven't volunteered for the
role of Web Tsar already, as being bad at getting people to work for
free would mean I have to do everything myself, and I'm too lazy for
that. :)

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Re: [ZWeb] [Zope-dev] Overhauling the Zope 2 presentation on zope.org

2009-02-21 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 14:11, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote:
 IMHO, the way the Zope community is structured, it's very hard to get
 people to contribute this kind of thing. I hope things are different
 now. The work that happened with the Zope book is encouraging, for
 example. However, most people who care enough about Zope to want the
 website to be better are too busy or too much into coding. Unlike, say,
 Rails, there isn't a large community of fanboys who want to contribute
 and have time on their hands and the right soft skills.

This is absolutely true. I'll put up Zope.org as a possible
discussion item for the OpenSpace, maybe somebody has some bright
idea.

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