Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 23, 2005, at 10:16 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm serious. Looking for your comments at: http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ ReuniteZope2AndZope3InTheSourceCodeRepository I already spoke with Philipp on IRC about this, but for the record, and speaking

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Gary Poster
While I don't agree with the +1 voters, I understand and appreciate their arguments. That said... On Nov 23, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: People keep telling Zope2 developers that the inclusion of Zope3 doesn't mean you have to touch it, if you don't use it it is just inert

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-12-01 Thread Gary Poster
On Nov 30, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Zope 2 depends on Zope 3, via Five. Zope 3 does not depend on Zope 2. A very good point, but one which makes me feel that Zope 2 shouldn't be merged in with Zope 3 ;-) Actually, yes, all of my points were made

[Zope3-dev] logout patterns: a small proposal

2005-12-08 Thread Gary Poster
There are a surprising number of components in zope.app designed to help with logging out. They are all trying to solve the problem that some authentication can't log out, so you shouldn't show logout links then. I only care about the pluggable auth in zope.app.authentication.

Re: [Zope3-dev] logout patterns: a small proposal

2005-12-08 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:11:46AM -0500, Gary Poster wrote: | ... Sounds good to me. Cool. Only one issue that you should have in mind, and that has bitten me several times with the Zope 2 PluggableAuthService is the following: If you

Re: [Zope3-dev] Potential bug of intid

2005-12-11 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 11, 2005, at 4:23 AM, Tadashi Matsumoto wrote: Hello I was looking into the following code of intid's __init__.py. ... I think it is better to use, for example, 2**30 instead of 2**31. Looks like a good catch to me. Also looks like 2**31 -1 would be sufficient (typical

Re: [Zope3-dev] Potential bug of intid

2005-12-11 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 11, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Tadashi Matsumoto wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:30:06 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote. ... No it wouldn't, because intid will increase. Ah yes, true: I neglected that part of what was going on. Jim's reply is more to the point. At which point you should

page postprocessing (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: XUL, DHTML)

2005-12-13 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 13, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Benji York wrote: Jeff Shell wrote: I think there was a proposal for smart widgets that could require Javascript but have the supporting Javascript library loaded only once..? What's become of that? That sounds like zope.resourcelibrary

Re: [Zope3-dev] logout patterns: a small proposal

2005-12-13 Thread Gary Poster
I plan to do this tomorrow, in the silence means consent vein. Want to refresh your memory? http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2005-December/016887.html Gary ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

Re: page postprocessing (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: XUL, DHTML)

2005-12-13 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 13, 2005, at 9:32 PM, Gary Poster wrote: I sent this out too hastily. See below. The answer we expected to give to the improved implementation details hinged on the page postprocessing proposal Jim made. It was not a proposal, but a brainstorm. http://mail.zope.org/pipermail

Re: [Zope3-dev] Interface implementation declaration weight (was Re: View lookup changes in Zope 3.2?)

2005-12-13 Thread Gary Poster
Jeff, fwiw, to sidestep the problem with your current implementation, and just try to address some possible solutions, we also replace the standard contents view, but we do it generally--for the default layer. There are at least a couple of ways to do that (zcml overrides and custom

Re: [Zope3-dev] Interface implementation declaration weight (was Re: View lookup changes in Zope 3.2?)

2005-12-14 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 14, 2005, at 4:56 AM, Dominik Huber wrote: Gary Poster wrote: I'm pretty sure there's a proposal on the wiki somewhere with Jim's full lookup algorithm that you want, but the iro for the pertinent object(s) usually gets me far enough. That might be the proposal you mentioned

[Zope3-dev] recycling testbrowser tests: a virtual hosting test hack

2005-12-16 Thread Gary Poster
We had some bugs in our code if it ran with virtual hosting, so Benji and I talked about a fun, quick, somewhat hacky way to get virtual hosting functional tests for free: get your standard, already- existing testbrowser-based functional tests to run with the virtual hosting going on behind

zope.i18n.format pytz usage (was Re: [Zope3-dev] XXX Roundup)

2005-12-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Benji York wrote: Gary zope/i18n/format.py:141 and 149 Yup: the pytz StaticTzInfo is being used in a non-API way, and while pickling works, unpickling doesn't (ew!). Here's the interactive prompt example, if anyone cares. import pytz.tzinfo tz =

Re: zope.i18n.format pytz usage (was Re: [Zope3-dev] XXX Roundup)

2005-12-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:56 PM, Gary Poster wrote: ... I think I can fix it by using the pytz.reference.FixedOffset class. That's what I'll try to do now. BTW, let me note that this is still bad. These things *should not* be persisted: they will generate lots and lots of little instances

Re: [Zope3-dev] XXX Roundup

2005-12-17 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Benji York wrote: Gary zope/i18n/format.py:141 and 149 (Not entirely sure why Benji blessed me with this assignment ;-) , but...) As I wrote before, this is an evil bug caused by a misuse of pytz code: timezones in this code can be pickled, but then not

Finished zope/i18n/format.py XXX (was Re: [Zope3-dev] XXX Roundup)

2005-12-20 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 19, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Gary Poster wrote: On Dec 17, 2005, at 4:06 PM, Gary Poster wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:20 PM, Benji York wrote: Gary zope/i18n/format.py:141 and 149 Update, if anyone needs to follow along: ... This is fixed in trunk and 3.2 branch. Thanks to Stuart Bishop

[Zope3-dev] why security proxy the modules for a menu item directive?

2005-12-20 Thread Gary Poster
zope/app/publisher/browser/menu.py, line 132, security proxies the 'modules' name. This is pretty annoying, and seems unnecessary to me for a zcml filter: trusted filesystem code. Anyone want to defend it? Gary ___ Zope3-dev mailing list

Re: [Zope3-dev] testrunner layers

2005-12-21 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 21, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Florent Guillaume wrote: I didn't find the info I was looking for in the unit tests and docs for the testrunner: Jim's the one to answer most of this, but FWIW everything (the little) I need is demonstrated (if not explained) in my recent testbrowser email.

Re: [Zope3-dev] why security proxy the modules for a menu item directive?

2005-12-21 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 21, 2005, at 6:42 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: Gary Poster wrote: zope/app/publisher/browser/menu.py, line 132, security proxies the 'modules' name. This is pretty annoying, and seems unnecessary to me for a zcml filter: trusted filesystem code. Anyone want to defend it? Not only

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: abolishing python: expressions in ZPT TALES

2005-12-29 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 28, 2005, at 5:00 PM, Igor Stroh wrote: Rocky Burt wrote: ... Its my personal opinion that anytime a page template requires logic complicated enough to warrant using a 'python:' expression, that logic should be re-thought and placed into a view class. ... First, I have sympathy

[Zope3-dev] mini-proposal: make unauthorized exception view smarter

2006-01-05 Thread Gary Poster
Problem: The view for the unauthorized exception (zope/app/exception/browser/ unauthorized.py/.pt) gets the authentication utility to issue a challenge, and then draws a page. Drawing the page is silly in some cases, and problematic in others. In particular, for session credentials, the

Re: [Zope3-dev] mini-proposal: make unauthorized exception view smarter

2006-01-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 5, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Risks: Requires more developer work to support browsers that don't support redirects. Are you aware of any browsers that don't support redirects? Even Lynx and wget support redirection. No, I'm not. I seem

Re: [Zope3-dev] Ajax in Zope 3

2006-01-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 6, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: Gary Poster wrote: ... I have old proposals for this, and some revisions of them on the basis of conversations with Jim, Fred, Stephan, and Benji. ... ... I am looking forward for the proposal revision :) Just a heads up that I am

[Zope3-dev] Three new Zope Corp packages now developed on zope.org

2006-01-11 Thread Gary Poster
I just moved development of three Zope Corp packages from our internal repositories to the zope.org repositories. We're relying on all three of them. zc.catalog: extent catalog with end-of-transaction indexing; set indexes; value indexes; date indexes; stemmer for the standard zope text

[Zope3-dev] Mini-proposal: zope.app.authentication group events

2006-01-12 Thread Gary Poster
Problem: We want to perform actions when a user is added to a group, and possibly when a user is removed from a group. There is no hook point for this currently in the zope.app.authentication code. Solution: Fire events in the zope.app.authentication code when principals are added and

[Zope3-dev] Mini-proposal: new principal interface in zope.security for full closure of group membership

2006-01-12 Thread Gary Poster
Primary problem: We frequently want to know the full closure of group membership. The groups attribute of zope.security.interfaces.IGroupAwarePrincipal is a list of groups to which the principal directly belongs. The full closure--including the groups to which the principal's groups

Re: [Zope3-dev] Mini-proposal: zope.app.authentication group events

2006-01-12 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 12, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Gary Poster wrote: def IPrincipalAddedToGroup(interface.Inteface): group = interface.Attribute('the group to which the principal was added') principal = interface.Attribute('the principal added') def IPrincipalRemovedFromGroup(interface.Inteface

[Zope3-dev] Re: Mini-proposal: zope.app.authentication group events

2006-01-12 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 12, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Florent Guillaume wrote: Gary Poster wrote: On Jan 12, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Gary Poster wrote: def IPrincipalAddedToGroup(interface.Inteface): group = interface.Attribute('the group to which the principal was added') principal = interface.Attribute

[Zope3-dev] Re: Mini-proposal: member-aware group interface

2006-01-12 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 12, 2006, at 7:22 PM, Florent Guillaume wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Problem: We need to be able to iterate over the members of a group, given a group id. ... I think I'm for it, but in some cases even though groups may be able to list all their members it may (if they're

Re: [Zope3-dev] Principal Comparison and/or References

2006-01-13 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Jeff Shell wrote: ... With all of the other principal / group mini-proposals going on, does there need to be a way to strongly (if that's the right word) compare a principal looked up from an id that came out of... well, somewhere (a transaction log record, a

[Zope3-dev] proposal: allow contained PAU plugins

2006-01-13 Thread Gary Poster
Background: The pluggable authentication utility (hereafter called PAU; found in zope.app.authentication) allows two kinds of plugins, credential plugins and authenticator plugins. The PAU currently keeps track of the names that it should use for these two types of plugins, and then

Re: [Zope3-dev] proposal: allow contained PAU plugins

2006-01-13 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Gary Hey Roger [...] All arguments are Ok for me. Cool. But I think the PAU at all is to complex and this whoul not change. Do we really need such a complex authentication module in z3? Well, I know it has come in handy for us.

[Zope3-dev] Email proposals migrated to wiki proposals

2006-01-18 Thread Gary Poster
I moved the proposals I made last week to the wiki. The mapping is listed below. I have implementations for all of them and will probably check them in tomorrow sometime barring further discussion. I did have one qualm with the auth proposal, as I described and implemented it. As before,

Re: [Zope3-dev] ZCML bad ;-)

2006-01-23 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Monday 23 January 2006 20:56, Shane Hathaway wrote: Chris Withers wrote: You didn't read what I said... I assert that anyone who binds the http://namespaces.zope.org/zope to anything other than the default namespace, or

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: ZCML bad ;-)

2006-01-24 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 24, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Fred Drake wrote: On 1/24/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: However, I think one namespace for ZCML is enough. Are you sure? Perhaps it's reasonable to use a single

Re: [Zope3-dev] Bytes versus ASCII

2006-01-27 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 27, 2006, at 5:16 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, (this is about zope.schema) I assumed that the fields Bytes and ASCII have some distinction. The ASCII field explicitly checks for every character to have an ordinal value lower than 127. Bytes however does a cast in fromUnicode(u)

Re: [Zope3-dev] My Experiences using Interface invariants with Formlib

2006-01-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:21 AM, Michael Howitz wrote: Hi, as suggested in #zope3-dev I'll post my experiences with interface invariants and formlib here. I have an interface with two password fields which should be equal: class IUser(Interface):

Re: [Zope3-dev] My Experiences using Interface invariants with Formlib

2006-01-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Jan 30, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: Fred Drake wrote: On 1/30/06, Michael Howitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an interface with two password fields which should be equal: class IUser(Interface): password=zope.schema.Password(title=upassword)

Re: [Zope3-dev] My Experiences using Interface invariants with Formlib

2006-02-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 3, 2006, at 1:11 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 01 February 2006 08:41, Jan-Wijbrand Kolman wrote: I built such a password + confirmation widget for the Document Library application we've been working on. It would not be difficult at all to put this in the hurry library for

[Zope3-dev] Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages

2006-02-03 Thread Gary Poster
[My apologies for spamming zope-dev; I neglected to add the 3 in the first post] Zope Corp has released nine new packages as standalone Zope 3 projects on zope.org. Three are completely new to the zope.org repository, and six were previously part of the zc Sandbox on zope.org. These

Re: [Zope3-dev] Three new Zope Corp packages now developed on zope.org

2006-02-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 11 January 2006 14:10, Gary Poster wrote: zope.locking: a replacement for zope.app.locking that provides additional features while learning from the zope.app.locking strengths and weaknesses. Could we deprecate

Re: [Zope3-dev] zope.schema: defaults for non-immutables... questions

2006-02-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 5, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 24 January 2006 12:26, Shaun Cutts wrote: It would seem that the current default mechanism is poorly suited to providing default values for non-immutables. For example: class IBar( Interface ): a = Object( schema = IFoo,

Re: [Zope3-dev] Selecting a code name

2006-02-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 6, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Paul Winkler wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 01:53:29PM -0500, Benji York wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: Okay, I am giving in on this. There is a three step process that will have to be fullfilled to assign a codename to the Zope 3.3

Re: [Zope3-dev] Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages

2006-02-06 Thread Gary Poster
(apologies to Martijn and Stephan for repeating this email: zope.org rejected my previous emails) On Feb 6, 2006, at 6:51 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Monday 06 February 2006 06:13, Martijn Faassen wrote: Is this stuff intended to end up in the zope core

Re: [Zope3-dev] Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages

2006-02-06 Thread Gary Poster
(Apologies to Martijn for the dupe; again, zope.org rejected my previous mail) On Feb 6, 2006, at 6:13 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Gary Poster wrote: [snip lots of cool stuff] Great, more stuff to play with! :) Just saw zope.file; this begs to be combined with hurry.file's smart upload

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-06 Thread Gary Poster
(...sigh...apologies to Stephan...) On Feb 6, 2006, at 6:35 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Monday 06 February 2006 01:15, Brad Allen wrote: By new website, do you mean a Zope 3 advocacy site, or a general documentation site? Making a separate site for advocacy seems like a no-brainer (ala

Re: [Zope3-dev] Selecting a code name

2006-02-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 6, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Me too. Maybe even a +(0x1). Zope 3: Revolution, Zope 3: Renaissance, and Zope 3: Rebirth were my favorites of the bunch. :-) Well, a new name for Zope 3 sounded like such a bad idea that it didn't even occur to me

Zope 3 Marketing Competition? (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Selecting a code name)

2006-02-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 6, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: [...] This is about getting people to *understand* what Zope is about, to understand that we *care* that they understand and that we made an *effort* to make it easy for them to get into it. It's about lowering the barrier to entry and the

Zope Foundation Imminence (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages)

2006-02-07 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 6, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: BTW, how impending is impending? Days, weeks, months? Anybody know? The word on the street is a pretty small number of weeks. (I believe the general idea at ZC is to not announce any precise guess as to exactly how impending we think

Re: [Zope3-dev] Hyping Zope3 contest? (was: Selecting a code name)

2006-02-08 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 8, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: Now, who can organise this hype-contest that everybody seemed tothink was a good idea? It wasn't a mandate. I got three kinds of responses (publicly and privately): 1 Yes, go for it. 2 If we split it up so that it's not a website

[Zope3-dev] Do we really want Zope 3 marketing talk isolated on zope-web?

2006-02-08 Thread Gary Poster
I'm not sure shuffling the hype and Zope 3 marketing conversations to zope-web is a good idea. I'm not trying to fix zope.org (eek), and I'm not trying to improve the Zope 2 image (though that would be nice too). I, and I think others, are interested in marketing Zope 3. As such, are we

Re: [Zope3-dev] Hyping Zope3 contest? (was: Selecting a code name)

2006-02-08 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 8, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Gary Poster wrote: [snip] I think the split-up contest--response 2--that Joel Moxley proposed on the list and others proposed privately to me sounds good. I'm not really thrilled about that idea. Marketing needs to be a unified

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-09 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 9, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Roger Ineichen wrote: That's a very interesting idea. It is a very neat idea. You asked for gut reactions, and I must admit that I regard the ZODB as more attractive and more central to the Zope story than some, so my gut reaction is

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Selecting a code name

2006-02-11 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 11, 2006, at 11:48 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [...] Indeed. Plus, I strongly feel that pushing Zope 3 more than Zope 2 or viceversa isn't helping. We need to push Zope-the-technology and Zope-the-community. Branding Zope 3 and making it look like something separate now when

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: One namespace for ZCML

2006-02-13 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Richter wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 08:36, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [...] +1 to Stephan's comment, Tres' comment, and Tres' use of the word ukase (which I had to look up).

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Re: Who would use this crazy thing called Zope 3?

2006-02-13 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 11, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:39:52 -, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] There are methods for neatly deprecating things like this, and they have been employed consitently in Zope 3, and quite consistetly in later versions of

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-14 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 13, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:51:34 -, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripts and RBDMS are the fast food of the web development world, not the salad. Looks nice, tastes great, eventually leaves you fat and unhealthy. ZODB and maybe

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-15 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 15, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 2/15/06, Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember its the Z Object Publishing Enviroment? Hear, hear! +1 (Which, to be clear, does not mean we shouldn't encourage people making it easier to use SQL in Zope. But our strength and

Re: [Zope3-dev] Last chance to comment on Simplify skinning

2006-02-15 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 15, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Hi there, a while back I wrote a proposal on simplifying the skinning system (http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/SimplifySkinning). I got a lot of useful feedback which in turn made me update the proposal. Since then I haven't heard much

Re: [Zope3-dev] Last chance to comment on Simplify skinning

2006-02-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 16, 2006, at 12:09 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [...interface... change counter-counter-proposal...] I think that's a very nice improvement over the previous spellings. I had to review the zope.app.component.interface.provideInterface code, but yes, it looks like that would

Re: [Zope3-dev] Error quering the catalog with a TextIndex and a KeywordIndex

2006-02-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 16, 2006, at 6:49 AM, Sasha Vincic wrote: I have made my own i keyword index, it works fine when only querying it but if I query an other index in the same query I get an error. MyKeywordIndex.apply() returns what zope.index.keyword.KeywordIndex.search() returns this is the values

Re: [Zope3-dev] Last chance to comment on Simplify skinning

2006-02-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Benji York wrote: One downside to the expanded interface directive is that it hides the fact that a utility is also being created. I actually prefer the browser:skin version because it totally hides the underlying atomic operations, but the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-17 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 17, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: User interfaces speak louder than books. Start up Zope 3, log in as a manager, and look at the list of things you can add. It includes [...] File, [...] . I suggest that no one should be invited to create these kinds of objects in

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: merge zope-dev and zope3-dev?

2006-02-17 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 17, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: We'd have to declare the zope3-dev list for obsolete and make people not send messages to it. We'd just have to define a date and time. All subsequent mail traffic would be handled by zope-dev. Okay, who

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-21 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 18, 2006, at 3:08 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: In my last project, reusing the ZMI seemed like a good idea. Maybe that was a bad choice. Do you start with an empty site.zcml? I haven't dared yet. :-) We started mostly from scratch, with various successes and failures as we tried

Re: [Zope3-dev] Simplify Skinning ready for review / work on Reducing the Amount of ZCML Directives

2006-02-21 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 21, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Dominik Huber wrote: Now that this proposal has been dealt with, I will turn my focus of attention to http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ReducingTheAmountOfZCMLDirectives. [...] I like those simplifications, but I have two little

Re: [Zope3-dev] More information when verifyClass or verifyObject fails

2006-02-24 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 24, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Morten W. Petersen wrote: Hi, I'm playing with Zope 3, and I was wondering if it's possible to get more information about why verifyClass or verifyObject fails (on which attribute or method). Am I blind, is it possible to set some options to display it, or

Re: [Zope3-dev] Why does the following browser configuration fail?

2006-02-24 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 24, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Morten W. Petersen wrote: Hi, I have the following browser configuration: configure xmlns=http://namespaces.zope.org/zope; xmlns:browser=http://namespaces.zope.org/browser; browser:addMenuItem title=Recipe

Re: [Zope3-dev] More information when verifyClass or verifyObject fails

2006-02-24 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 24, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Morten W. Petersen wrote: In both your emails, tracebacks would be helpful. Yep. :) verifyObject/verifyClass (almost?) always gives the name of the part of the interface that it found lacking. It is sometimes hard to parse the exception, I grant. Care to

Re: [Zope3-dev] Two visions

2006-02-27 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. Of the two, this seems more believable. It also may be the best we can do. However, I still don't like it. :-) - Zope 5 will be the application server generally known as Zope. It

Re: [Zope3-dev] Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 28, 2006, at 9:30 AM, Benji York wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: So, my proposal would be to tone down the vision to what we have already: a co-evolving Zope 3 and Zope 2, with Zope 2 following and Zope 3 leading (or Zope 2 driving Zope 3 forward, however you want to see it). No

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Are you kidding? No, I'm not kidding. +1 to what Martijn said in this email (not quoting the whole thing to save precious bandwith). ___ Zope3-dev mailing list

webdav locking (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions)

2006-03-01 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Michael Kerrin wrote: so it doesn't get to the locking tests (which will fail) but this is good thing to aim at :-) Hey Michael. What are you planning to do with the locking stuff? I'd like to see zope.locking (http://svn.zope.org/zope.locking/) used,

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-01 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Jeff Shell wrote: [...] - Zope 3 CA: The Zope Component Architecture. Core services. Would include zope.publisher and most other current top level zope.* things. Usable as a library, as a publisher for other environments, perhaps as a simple standalone

Re: [Zope3-dev] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

2006-03-01 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:02 PM, Jeff Shell wrote: [...] Django is killing us on automatic data (not system) administration pages. [...] I didn't follow this, probably because I don't know Django. Do you mean they excel in automatic data entry forms, a la Zope 3 edit forms/ formlib? As in

Re: webdav locking (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions)

2006-03-02 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 2, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Michael Kerrin wrote: Hi Gary, On Wednesday 01 March 2006 15:33, Gary Poster wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Michael Kerrin wrote: so it doesn't get to the locking tests (which will fail) but this is good thing to aim at :-) Hey Michael. What are you

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: keeping attributes abstract

2006-03-10 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 9, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: http://codespeak.net/svn/user/philikon/rwproperty/ This is nice. I'm going to use it right now. I wish it were available directly in Zope 3 (or that we were fully eggified). Gary ___

Re: [Zope3-dev] zc.table and zc.resourcelibrary feedback

2006-03-13 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: [...] Thanks for looking into this Martijn. We have some internal versions of a sortable zc.table factory that take a different approach, and are not using the client-side part of the zc.table code much at all. If you're willing to

Re: [Zope3-dev] a plan for widgets?

2006-03-16 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey Roger, Great to have you onboard on this! Roger Ineichen wrote: [snip] btw, didn't Gary Poster start a widget refactoring? Good question. I have no idea what the status of all that stuff is; whether anything got merged

zope.org checkin mailing list Re: [Zope3-dev] a plan for widgets?

2006-03-17 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 17, 2006, at 9:13 AM, Benji York wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: One problem I seem to have is that I cannot find the mailing list to subscribe to to find checkin messages to the zc package. Is there any? I think there is one, but don't know what it is. :) Jim's talked about one.

Re: [Zope3-dev] a plan for widgets?

2006-03-17 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 17, 2006, at 4:08 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Gary Poster wrote: [... snip already-answered question (thanks Roger)...] Doing it in the zc namespace is intended to make no assumptions about what happens with zope.app.form; zc.widget probably will have some backwards-compatibility

CSV vocabularies (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: a plan for widgets?)

2006-03-17 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: [...] Of course, we could also keep the vocabularies in another data file, and merely have the high-level directive source it: zope:vocabulary name=philosophers file=philosophers.csv / We have something like this--except the

Re: [Zope3-dev] a plan for widgets?

2006-03-20 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: [...] I'm quite interested in knowing more about your plans, and helping you implement things, if only by porting existing widgets over to the new system. I also realize that discussing this kind of stuff over on the mailing list slows

Re: [Zope3-dev] httpgz in zope.conf?

2006-03-20 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 20, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Monday 20 March 2006 09:35, Jim Washington wrote: [...] BTW, I would be glad to see a proposal to add this to the core. I think httpgz is general very interesting to a lot of people. +1 Gary

Re: [Zope3-dev] httpgz in zope.conf?

2006-03-21 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 08:41, Jim Washington wrote: Perhaps another proposal could suggest a method for registering and sequencing post-processing utilities? I think WSGI middleware components are the answer here. In general, I agree.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Vocabulary the next proposal

2006-03-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Mar 25, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: You can, of course, leave this as it is and implement the 'tiks' vocabulary as: def tiksLanguagesVocabulary(context): return LanguagesVocabulary(context, 'tiks') and then register that as a regular IVocabularyFactory utility,

Re: [Zope3-dev] eggifying zc.resourcelibrary, zc.table and others

2006-04-04 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 4, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, * does anyone have any objections if I make eggs for various zc.* packages? In svn, this involves adding a setup.py to these packages, and to add a __init__.py to the zc package that they contain (which contains some

[Zope3-dev] zope.schema sets

2006-04-05 Thread Gary Poster
zope.schema.Set currently only accepts sets.Set objects. Anyone object if I change zope.schema.Set to accept py2.4 builtin sets, or if I add a zope.schema.FrozenSet? I don't see any reasonable objections, so I'll probably check this in within a couple of hours if there is no dissent.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: eggifying zc.resourcelibrary, zc.table and others

2006-04-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Gary Poster wrote: [snip] Jim also suggests the new, as-of-this-moment-no-longer-secret http:// download.zope.org/distribution/ as a possible

[Zope3-dev] ILayer deprecation warning on trunk

2006-04-05 Thread Gary Poster
Looks like it only appears if you run the functional tests separately. $ ~/z4i/bin/python test.py -f Running zope.app.testing.functional.Functional tests: Set up zope.app.testing.functional.Functional in 5.218 seconds. /home/gary/z4i/var/src/zope3/src/zope/app/apidoc/ifacemodule/

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Checkins] SVN: Zope3/trunk/src/zope/app/form/browser/itemswidgets.py The label for the list items widgets could not point to the field, because

2006-04-05 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 5, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Kamal Gill wrote: Hmm, I'm inclined to doubt whether IE expects the id and name attributes to be identical. Distinct values for id and name shouldn't be a problem, afaik Wait, someone used shouldn't be a problem in reference to IE? :-) As Benji said, this

Re: [Zope3-dev] ZOPE3 Maildir implementation

2006-04-07 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 7, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Pjotr Prins wrote: I have a few questions regarding the ZOPE mailer implementation: I didn't write it. I have some pretty good guesses, though. Hopefully the author can confirm. 1. Why did you go for a file system implementation - as ZODB objects are being

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Time for a Decimal field type in zope.schema?

2006-04-07 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Rush wrote: Perhaps this is an old topic, although I've done searches. I've seen the brief discussion about security proxies and the Decimal type on zope3-users, but (to zope3-dev) what about getting it added to the zope.schema as a first-class field

[Zope3-dev] zope.i18n.translate ignores keyword arguments: desired/expected?

2006-04-10 Thread Gary Poster
Hi all. in zope/i18n/__init__.py, the _translate method used by translate, if the msgid is a MessageID or a Message then the domain, default, and mapping are all used in preference to keyword arguments, even if, for instance, the keyword is non-None and the attribute is None. Because of

Re: [Zope3-dev] widgets for sources not yet complete?

2006-04-20 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 19, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Sam Stainsby wrote: From looking the Zope 3 code, I suspect that the full set of widgets is not yet available for sources. Yes, that is correct. Or have I got that wrong? I see there are some simpler widgets there that build the widgets used by

[Zope3-dev] Automatic translation of message id's is deprecated and will be removed in 3.3

2006-04-28 Thread Gary Poster
Martijn proposed this be undeprecated (http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/ zope3-dev/2005-December/016781.html) and others agreed, at least in part. AIUI, Martijn ended up not making any changes in Zope 3, but somehow changing Zope 2 in such a way as to work around his issue. The deprecation

Re: [Zope3-dev] Automatic translation of message id's is deprecated and will be removed in 3.3

2006-04-30 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 29, 2006, at 2:57 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 4/28/06, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martijn proposed this be undeprecated (http://mail.zope.org/ pipermail/ zope3-dev/2005-December/016781.html) and others agreed, at least in part. AIUI, Martijn ended up not making any

Re: [Zope3-dev] automatic translation of message ids and Zope 3.3

2006-05-01 Thread Gary Poster
On May 1, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, Please see http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2006-April/ 019278.html ff. And/or svn up your zope. ;-) Gary ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub:

Re: [Zope3-dev] Preview - gzipping (improved) as wsgi middleware

2006-05-04 Thread Gary Poster
On May 4, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:48:08PM -0400, Jim Washington wrote: | Back in March, there was a (tiny) bit of discussion here about using | wsgi middleware for gzipping zope3 responses. [...] What can I say?? NEAT! Thanks for doing this!

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