[Zope3-dev] Let's move over to zope-dev

2007-10-11 Thread Jim Fulton
new threads on zope-dev. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] eggsplosion and tests

2007-10-10 Thread Jim Fulton
a stubborn desire not to require setuptools for ZODB. Anyway, if someone wants to ehlp with the setup script, it would be appreciated, Otherwise, I'll get to it eventually. In the mean time, I suggest not running the ZODB tests. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 releases?

2007-10-08 Thread Jim Fulton
is accurate. FWIW, I have a fairly open mind on this topic. Lots of good points are being made. :) Jim On Oct 7, 2007, at 5:13 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:25 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: [snip] - We need a *realistic* (especially wrt available resources

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Known-good-sets problem

2007-10-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 6, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Oct 6, 2007, at 5:24 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] What I really don't like about this proposal is that it talks about updating index pages. If I understand this right, an updated index page will force everybody

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 releases?

2007-10-07 Thread Jim Fulton
releases. I'll note that the problem is exacerbated by the incompatibilities that (to some degree inevitably) often occur in Python releases. Big-bang releases don't prevent update problems. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 releases?

2007-10-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:25 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 10/6/07, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - We need to decide what a Zope 3 release is (or maybe multiple flavors). I favor copying the linux experiences, but have an open mind. I'm not sure what you mean with that, I mean we

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Known-good-sets problem

2007-10-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 7, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 10/6/07, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only people who ask for updates. Which by default is every time somebody runs a buildout, right? Yes I think this depends on the use cases. I think most people would like to get bug fixes

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Known-good-sets problem

2007-10-06 Thread Jim Fulton
the release process for the larger Zope 3 ecosystem. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.error is a 3.5 egg, but is needed by 3.4.x releases

2007-10-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 6, 2007, at 5:06 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] but moved to a new place. zope.app.error, is, I understand, gone now. I have no idea about this specific move. If there was a zope.app.error before

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.error is a 3.5 egg, but is needed by 3.4.x releases

2007-10-06 Thread Jim Fulton
, then it seems to me that versions in a meta egg or a buildout configuration should work well. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail

[Zope3-dev] Zope 3 releases?

2007-10-06 Thread Jim Fulton
resources. We also shouldn't plan significant tasks that people won't care enough to work on. I think the classic Zope 3.4 release is a good example of a large effort that really wouldn't benefit many people, if any. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope3-dev] Known-good-sets problem

2007-10-06 Thread Jim Fulton
semantics would be useful, but there isn't a way to do it in setuptools. We can achieve the same effect on the server. For example, with this software, you could chain several KGSs together. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Known-good-sets problem

2007-10-06 Thread Jim Fulton
minor tweaking) to combine KGSs on the server. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] zope.error is a 3.5 egg, but is needed by 3.4.x releases

2007-10-05 Thread Jim Fulton
projects have version #s that are independent from the Zope version #s. Any similarity is a hysterical accident. :) Jim P.S. This has nothing to do with whether the Zope 3.4 release is important. -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.error is a 3.5 egg, but is needed by 3.4.x releases

2007-10-05 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, zope.error is a 3.5 egg, but is needed by 3.4.x releases. I guess this also happened because large package refactorings happened and were released as 3.4.x

[Zope3-dev] Known-good-sets problem

2007-10-05 Thread Jim Fulton
out the buildout - maybe change the index option to point to a particular KGS - check out the project(s) they want to test and configure them as develop eggs - run the buildout test script. Hopefully, this will give us much greater stability than we've had up to now. -- Jim Fulton Zope

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.error is a 3.5 egg, but is needed by 3.4.x releases

2007-10-05 Thread Jim Fulton
. Are you suggesting that other people aren't thinking about this and don't care? I hope that the proposal for setting up a known-good-set index will be helpful. I'm sure Stephan would like to know the versions you chose. I imagine he'll be able to get those by looking at Grok. Jim -- Jim

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Release process closure

2007-10-04 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 4, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Baiju M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Oct 4, 2007, at 6:51 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 4 Oct 2007, at 00:59 , Jim Fulton wrote: On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'd really like to get to closure

[Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-04 Thread Jim Fulton
Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman

[Zope3-dev] WSGI2

2007-10-04 Thread Jim Fulton
to avoid typos. Especially in subject lines. :/ -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] I'd love to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-04 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 4, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Baiju M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. +1 What about retiring #zope3-dev IRC channel and only using #zope ? I though

[Zope3-dev] Release process closure

2007-10-03 Thread Jim Fulton
until they are needed. Of course, tags should always be created. There are other improvements that might be made, but let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev

Re: [Zope3-dev] Release process closure

2007-10-03 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Benji York wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'd really like to get to closure on the current approved release process. +1 There are other improvements that might be made, but let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. This isn't perfect, so I get

Re: [Zope3-dev] Release process closure

2007-10-03 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Benji York wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: For example, a packaging of MochiKit 1.3.1 might have a version # like 1.3.1-1, or, if it is exciting enough: 1.3.1-1.1 I assume setuptools interprets version numbers like this in a reasonable way. AFAIK. :) Jim

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.dottedname doesn't have a CHANGES.txt (again?)

2007-10-03 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 2, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 02 October 2007 17:14, Jim Fulton wrote: One hole I see is giving people guidance on what needs to be tested (and how) before a release is made. My preference would be to rely heavily on judgement with a few checks so

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Release process closure

2007-10-03 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'd really like to get to closure on the current approved release process. Philipp, would you mind separating the release process into a separate file? Or do you mind if I do it? Done: http://svn.zope.org

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: New package zc.configure provides an exclude directive for excluding zcml files

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:29 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: [snip] Maybe grok was already trimmed down. In my case, I basically eliminated all ZMI support (since I didn't need it). I got about 40%, Grok is trimmed down in the sense that it doesn't depend on all Zope 3

Re: [Zope3-dev] major packaging reorganization happening in 3.4 releases?

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
warrant a 3.5 release! Agreed. Someone needs to sloow down. Speed kills. deserves to be added to the Zen of Python. (Actually, ZoP does have a variation of that.) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org

Re: AW: [Zope3-dev] zope.app.securitypolicy deferred imports errors.

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
be that hard to finish at this point. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: AW: AW: [Zope3-dev] zope.app.securitypolicy deferred imports errors.

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
distributors. In the mean time, changing packages that lots of other people depend on requires judgement and care. If you don't think you're up to it, then don't try it. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
is a non-final release. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: This is also a technical issue: As long as zc.buildout and setuptools foolishly accept dependency links from an egg, it'll be painful to detect accidental reliance on external repositories. That's a good point. I wouldn't go so far as to say

[Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
*not* kidding about that: taking shortcuts durng the release process transfers pain / cost to everyone downstream. Amen, brother. Well said. +1 -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http

[Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
rather than the develop eggs so that tests could be run against the distros. This would probably be something good to do when I have some time to get back to buildout. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org

[Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
verifyclassifiers.py Cool. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:14 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: ... I agree that the develop egg case is problematic. I'd like to think about that. Well, I thought and I thought I could probably arrange that develop eggs created by buildout got their versions from the buildout spec. Something like

Re: [Zope3-dev] New package zc.configure provides an exclude directive for excluding zcml files

2007-10-01 Thread Jim Fulton
On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:17 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 9/29/07, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This helps in cases where you want the configuration for a package, but you don't want some of the configuration that it includes

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: reasonable syntax for multi-adaptation

2007-09-28 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: ... On 9/28/07, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] we could investigate whether we can't come up with something that: * doesn't break the existing notation. The cleanest way to support such non-interference seems to be to do

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: reasonable syntax for multi-adaptation

2007-09-28 Thread Jim Fulton
. This would open the door, sometime in the future, to allowing multi-adaptation via: IFoo(ob1, ob2). So, any volunteers to try to implement this? I insist on reviewing any change before checking it in. This will create an unavoidable bottle neck. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope3-dev] Why do we restrict our egg testing?

2007-09-27 Thread Jim Fulton
, but potentially a lot of work. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-27 Thread Jim Fulton
which is a peer of 'setup.py' should be a stub which points to the real versions. I can live with this, but I don't like it. It feels more complicated to me. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub

Re: [Zope3-dev] Why do we restrict our egg testing?

2007-09-27 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 27, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 27 September 2007 09:35, Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Can anybody tell me why we restrict our test setup in zope eggs and only use a subset of package for our test setup? It isn't

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-27 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2007-9-26 18:14 -0400: ... We've just released 1.1. We guess the next release is 1.2. We change things and release, 1.2dev-r#. Someone fixes a bug and releases 1.1.1. Now there's a dev release of 1.2

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
thought though. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Automated egg releases

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
Sorry, I decided not to reply and hit the wrong button in my mailer. :) On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:02, Christian Theune wrote: Hmm. While doing that I also noticed that we were

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
that this is a policy that should be overrideable. Checkins to buildout (with tests, of course) accepted. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
is so complex It will take me a largish chunk of time to unwind this. -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 10:40, Jim Fulton wrote: What about using CHANGES.txt, which we should be maintaining anyway? I agree with a change log. CHANGES.txt is difficult to get included in distributions. Having one requires

Re: [Zope3-dev] reasonable syntax for multi-adaptation

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
benefit from having an interface method for doing multi and named adaptation, I don't think the benefit is worth the cost. I'm -1 on your proposal and -0 on my variation. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: reasonable syntax for multi-adaptation

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Brandon Craig Rhodes wrote: Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Brandon Craig Rhodes wrote: Instead, multi-adaption should look like this: IFoo(multi=(obj1, obj2)) IFoo(multi=(obj1, obj2), name='site_foo') Ah, using

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Automated egg releases

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
, otherwise it won't happen/people will make mistakes. +10 Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
want to require -- writing setup.py files is hard enough as it is. I'm not crazy about Tres' idea of putting these files in the Python packages themselves, but it does have the advantage that it causes the files to be included in eggs as well as source distributions. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: reasonable syntax for multi-adaptation

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2007-9-26 11:29 -0400: ... IFoo(x) IBar(multi=(x,y)) Actually, that is not the case. If x already provides IFoo, then in the first case, the existing object is retuned. Nothing is instantiated. OTOH

[Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Fred Drake wrote: On 9/26/07, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does one need to tell setup.py to make sure CHANGES.txt is available? I understand it isn't by default

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: reasonable syntax for multi-adaptation

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2007-9-26 15:10 -0400: ... Jim Fulton wrote at 2007-9-26 11:29 -0400: ... IFoo(x) IBar(multi=(x,y)) Actually, that is not the case. If x already provides IFoo, then in the first case, the existing object

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
that the first release branch for that tag was made, so as not to accidentally get a version #.) I'd prefer not to make an edict, so Benji and Gary will now persuade you that this is the best way to go. ;) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 17:18, Jim Fulton wrote: - Update changes.txt, adding a heading for the new # and date - Create a tag - check out or switch to the tag - Set the version in setup.py on the tag. Check it in. - Make

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 26 Sep 2007, at 23:18 , Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Benji York wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: Because I disagree with that, since you cannot know the next version. You can

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re-normalizers instead of ellipses in doctests [was: some checkin]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
on ellipsis that didn't consume newlines. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:23 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: On 27 Sep 2007, at 00:14 , Jim Fulton wrote: Let's say X depends on Y and I'm developing them simultaneously as development eggs in one sandbox (e.g. buildout). I add a feature to Y that I'd like to use in X. That means I'll

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Known working sets II [was: Eggification redux]

2007-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
something that will work w/o buildout. Oh well. JIm -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Known working sets II [was: Eggification redux]

2007-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey, On 9/25/07, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I'm skeptical that you are going to get these changes in setuptools. I'm not crazy about them myself as they make writing setup files even more complicated. I'd much rather have

Re: [Zope3-dev] AW: Proposal, free views

2007-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
ever *do* need to make a backward-incompatible change to a package, we'll have some license to clean up rotten apis. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.testbrowser packaging

2007-09-17 Thread Jim Fulton
probably tell them to switch to zc.testbrowser. -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/jim%40zope.com -- Jim

Re: [Zope3-dev] zope.testbrowser packaging

2007-09-17 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Transaction bound cache

2007-09-17 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: What does python 3000 mean for zope?

2007-09-13 Thread Jim Fulton
as they present themselves. I'm not going to reply to any replies to this post as I don't intend to spend any more time on this issue myself. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714

[Zope3-dev] New Contributor References

2007-09-12 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 6, 2007, at 4:02 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm very much against making setuptools *more* complicated than it already is. Indeed, but surely managing known good sets of components comes under its remit of version management? Sure. It does

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-05 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm very much against making setuptools *more* complicated than it already is. Indeed, but surely managing known good sets of components comes under its remit of version management? Sure. It does this via requirements

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: broken zope.lifecycleevent 3.4.0 on cheeseshop?

2007-09-04 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: Known working sets

2007-09-04 Thread Jim Fulton
*more* complicated than it already is. Perhaps buildout (and setuptools) should grow a mechanism for being able to override/resolve version conflicts. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714

Re: [Zope3-dev] ZConfig 2.4 final?

2007-08-30 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Guide for maintaining software in the Zope repository

2007-08-27 Thread Jim Fulton
for new tests, but *only* if they are well documented. I've never seen a classic unit test that was, but I'm open to the theoretical possibility. :) BTW, I've seen poorly documented doctests too. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO

Re: [Zope3-dev] Please don't use svn.zope.org urls in distutils homepage urls

2007-08-27 Thread Jim Fulton
other way to block it. In any case, it had nothing to do with blocking setuptools. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp

Re: [Zope3-dev] __repr__ of ValidationErrors in zope.schema

2007-08-24 Thread Jim Fulton
, as a general principal, errors should be displayed through adaptation -- basically views. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope3-dev] Please don't use svn.zope.org urls in distutils homepage urls

2007-08-24 Thread Jim Fulton
setuptools. Not any other clients. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Leak in zope.component?

2007-08-23 Thread Jim Fulton
On Aug 23, 2007, at 1:53 AM, Christian Zagrodnick wrote: On 2007-08-22 16:12:42 +0200, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Aug 22, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Christian Zagrodnick wrote: Hi, I'm doing things wich z3c.zalchemy and trying to find out why my database connections are kept open even

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: zope.location/trunk/setup.py using pypi as homepage instead of svn.zope.org

2007-08-22 Thread Jim Fulton
files and thus I prefer to include the change log in README.txt. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com

Re: [Zope3-dev] Leak in zope.component?

2007-08-22 Thread Jim Fulton
; gc.collect() before your last getrefcount call. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com http

[Zope3-dev] We should be able to stop unhiding PyPI releases.

2007-08-22 Thread Jim Fulton
be a problem, at least for buildout users. People using easy_install can configure it to use the simple index. They might want to lobby to have easy_install use the simple index by default. If there are no strong objections, I plan to stop unhiding old releases. Jim -- Jim Fulton

[Zope3-dev] Re: We should be able to stop unhiding PyPI releases.

2007-08-22 Thread Jim Fulton
and finable by setuptools. The simple index achieves that. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com http

[Zope3-dev] Backward compatibility and major releases (series) update

2007-08-22 Thread Jim Fulton
incompatibility. I eventually came to the conclusion that our original conclusion was sound, but that we should only introduce backward incompatibilities when the need is very dire, as it will cause lots of pain. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

[Zope3-dev] Re: Backward compatibility and major releases (series) update

2007-08-22 Thread Jim Fulton
On Aug 22, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: A while ago, we had a discussion about backward compatibility and decided that only major releases should be backward compatible. So, for example, a 1.2 release should be backward

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: zope.location/trunk/setup.py using pypi as homepage instead of svn.zope.org

2007-08-21 Thread Jim Fulton
at the top, I don't think that size is an issue. Note that with the latest version of buildout, buildout uses the new simple index, http://cheeseshop.python.org/simple by default, so there is no longer a buildout performance penalty for having large cheeseshop pages. Jim -- Jim Fulton

Re: [Zope3-dev] Add function for schema validation in zope.schema

2007-08-20 Thread Jim Fulton
(or at least enable) people to do better method verification and possibly provide other kinds of verification. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope

Re: [Zope3-dev] browser:page's for= can be class browser:menuItem can't

2007-08-20 Thread Jim Fulton
framework used for zmi_views doesn't work with menu items registered for classes. Someone should fix that too. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org

[Zope3-dev] Heads up: major change in zc.buildout policy for selecting distributions

2007-08-20 Thread Jim Fulton
: [buildout] prefer-final = false Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Heads up: major change in zc.buildout policy for selecting distributions

2007-08-20 Thread Jim Fulton
On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm about to make a new release of zc.buildout that uses a different policy for selecting distributions. In particular, by default, zc.buildout will now prefer final distributions over non- final ones

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Heads up: major change in zc.buildout policy for selecting distributions

2007-08-20 Thread Jim Fulton
On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm about to make a new release of zc.buildout that uses a different policy for selecting distributions. In particular, by default, zc.buildout will now prefer final

[Zope3-dev] Re: Heads up: major change in zc.buildout policy for selecting distributions

2007-08-20 Thread Jim Fulton
On Aug 20, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: I'm about to make a new release of zc.buildout that uses a different policy for selecting distributions. In particular, by default, zc.buildout will now prefer final distributions over non- final ones. If there are final and non-final

Re: [Zope3-dev] 'thread_local' AttributeError in zope.security.checker

2007-08-15 Thread Jim Fulton
. In particular, I'll need to see the import order. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com http

[Zope3-dev] Re: 'thread_local' AttributeError in zope.security.checker

2007-08-15 Thread Jim Fulton
that in this particular case, the real problem was circular imports. Circular imports create bugs that are hard or impossible to test for. I'd love to outlaw them. I wish we at least had a tool to warn about circular imports when testing. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Zope3-dev] 'thread_local' AttributeError in zope.security.checker

2007-08-15 Thread Jim Fulton
I've just released a b5 egg which should correct the problem. Jim On Aug 15, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Jim Fulton wrote: On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Paul Carduner wrote: Hello zope3-dev, I came across an error I have not seen before. Just for reference, here

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Jim Fulton
-b2) works correctly. Just ran into this one. I think removing it is the right decision. b2 did work for me, but b4 just broke on me. Try b5. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.security problems related to Python 2.5 update? (Was: Removed zope.security 3.4b4)

2007-08-15 Thread Jim Fulton
hard thing to test for sadly. We need to fix this. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporationhttp://www.zope.com http

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