Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: This is also a technical issue: As long as zc.buildout and setuptools foolishly accept dependency links from an egg, it'll be painful to detect accidental reliance on external repositories. That's a good point. I wouldn't go so far as to say

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-27 Thread Dieter Maurer
Gary Poster wrote at 2007-9-26 15:47 -0400: ... So, yes, you are right, I stated an extreme position and I could be argued away from the edge. But the extremity of my position is a simple, followable rule that I certainly prefer over the case you describe. Okay, we disagree. Non working

[Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
We have another case of faulty released eggs. I reviewed the first that popped up for me, which was zope.app.publication: - someone uploaded a stable 3.4.1 egg, but this is just a snapshot from the trunk, there is no tag for this release. - the egg does not contain data files correctly.

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hey, here is an update. The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages myself as ZIP files (doesn't work) and then as tar files (does work). My proposal for what to

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 08:49 + schrieb Christian Theune: Hey, here is an update. The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages myself as ZIP files

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Baiju M
Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 08:49 + schrieb Christian Theune: Hey, here is an update. The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 14:39 +0530 schrieb Baiju M: We decided not to bump minor release in trunk recently while making these final release, is it ? I tried looking for that but didn't find that decision, so I thought we're doing maintenance branches. -- gocept gmbh co. kg -

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Stefan H. Holek
WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems empty and paths it deems too long. Best to avoid. Stefan On 26. Sep 2007, at 10:49, Christian Theune wrote: The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. -- It

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Stefan H. Holek: WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems empty and paths it deems too long. Best to avoid. Nothing about winzip. The files are in there. I also couldn't find an issue in the egg info files. -- gocept gmbh co. kg -

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:16 AM, Christian Theune wrote: This is IMHO a good example why we shouldn't go for 'everyone can make a release'. I had the same feeling yesterday. I kept silent because the alternative is that only a few -- including me -- make a release. :) This deserves more

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Baiju M
Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Stefan H. Holek: WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems empty and paths it deems too long. Best to avoid. Nothing about winzip. The files are in there. I also couldn't find an issue in the egg info

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Baiju M
Baiju M wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 11:53 +0200 schrieb Stefan H. Holek: WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems empty and paths it deems too long. Best to avoid. Nothing about winzip. The files are in there. I also couldn't find an issue in

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 04:16, Christian Theune wrote: The whole list of things that might be relevant here is: - zope.securitypolicy - zope.session, zope.app.session - zope.app.authentication - zope.app.i18n - zope.i18nmessageid - zope.app.applicationcontrol - zope.app.appsetup

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 04:49, Christian Theune wrote: The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating the packages myself as ZIP files (doesn't work) and then as tar files

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Stephan Richter wrote: I totally disagree. If we trust people with repository access, then we have to trust them with release making. If you subscribe to the egg process, you have to do frequent releases. Why would eggs require more frequent releases? Wichert. -- Wichert

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 26.09.2007, 09:16 -0400 schrieb Stephan Richter: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 04:49, Christian Theune wrote: The issue is that the eggs were released as ZIP files and for some reason those don't work correctly with the data files. I can reproduce the problem by creating

PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:49 AM, Christian Theune wrote: - Remove the broken files. I'm not sure if this is related, but I noticed yesterday at least of couple of eggs that we are using had been removed, in this case from zope.org. Please, whoever is doing this, stop. If a release is

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:02, Christian Theune wrote: Hmm. While doing that I also noticed that we were at 3.4.0a1 yesterday evening. The stable release was made from that without making a maintenance branch and bumping the trunk to 3.5. There is conflicting information here. :-) Some

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:02, Christian Theune wrote: Hmm. While doing that I also noticed that we were at 3.4.0a1 yesterday evening. The stable release was made from that without making a maintenance branch and bumping the trunk

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
Sorry, I decided not to reply and hit the wrong button in my mailer. :) On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:02, Christian Theune wrote: Hmm. While doing that I also noticed that we were at

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
This would be a good issue to bring up on the distutils-sig list. Jim On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 05:53, Stefan H. Holek wrote: WinZip has the habit of ignoring files it deems empty and paths it deems too long. Best to avoid. The

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 09:20, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Stephan Richter wrote: I totally disagree. If we trust people with repository access, then we have to trust them with release making. If you subscribe to the egg process, you have to do frequent releases. Why would

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 26 September 2007 09:20, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Stephan Richter wrote: I totally disagree. If we trust people with repository access, then we have to trust them with release making. If you subscribe to the egg process, you have to do

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Fred Drake
On 9/26/07, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should make our own private copies of the eggs we use, to completely isolate us from these sorts of things, but I have not gotten around to it...nor am I thrilled at the prospect of that overhead. This is also a technical issue: As long as

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Fred Drake wrote: On 9/26/07, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should make our own private copies of the eggs we use, to completely isolate us from these sorts of things, but I have not gotten around to it...nor am I thrilled at the prospect of that

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]

2007-09-26 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 09:54:59AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: Sorry, I decided not to reply and hit the wrong button in my mailer. :) You were just applying explicit is better than implicit to email replies. :-) Marius Gedminas -- Just to be extra clear about this: yes, it is morally wrong for

Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access

2007-09-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Stephan Richter wrote at 2007-9-26 09:12 -0400: ... I totally disagree. If we trust people with repository access, then we have to trust them with release making. If you subscribe to the egg process, you have to do frequent releases. Maybe, if you fix dependancies to single versions ;-) --

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Gary Poster wrote at 2007-9-26 09:39 -0400: ... - Remove the broken files. I'm not sure if this is related, but I noticed yesterday at least of couple of eggs that we are using had been removed, in this case from zope.org. Please, whoever is doing this, stop. If a release is

Re: PLEASE don't remove eggs [was Re: [Zope3-dev] faulty releases and pypi access [update]]

2007-09-26 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: Gary Poster wrote at 2007-9-26 09:39 -0400: ... - Remove the broken files. I'm not sure if this is related, but I noticed yesterday at least of couple of eggs that we are using had been removed, in this case from zope.org. Please, whoever