Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 09:43:30PM -0500, Gary Poster wrote: | Come to think of it, maybe it would also be an interesting approach | to a baked web site delivery system. Indeed, that's an idea. In fact, this is just what we are doing here at Enfold. We have created 'Entransit' [1] which

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Tonico Strasser
Chris Withers wrote: A big -1 from me. This is yet more complexity and more stuff that Zope shouldn't try to do. If you want to serve flat files, use Apache. From my understanding this is not only about serving flat files. OTOH I think that it may be possible to make Apache to do this:

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Shane Hathaway
Sidnei da Silva wrote: To serve content from the filesystem we use a custom Publication object that returns a different root 'application' object and from there we use custom IBrowserPublisher and ITraversable adapters that lookup files on the filesystem and construct simple stub objects to

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Wade Leftwich
Shane Hathaway wrote: An idea just occurred to me. I think others have probably had similar ideas, but didn't express it in the right place or time. Part 1: Let's put an Apache-like web root (similar to /var/www/localhost/htdocs/) in Zope instance homes. It might be called browser or www.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Shane Hathaway
Wade Leftwich wrote: +1 from the standpoint of promoting corporate adoption, especially when combined with first-class citizenship for RDBMS. (In the corporation I work for, anyway.) Yes, RDBMS would become a first-class citizen. New users would be able to write some page templates and SQL

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread jpenny
Wade Leftwich wrote: +1 from the standpoint of promoting corporate adoption, especially when combined with first-class citizenship for RDBMS. (In the corporation I work for, anyway.) Shane wrote: Yes, RDBMS would become a first-class citizen. New users would be able to write some

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Wade Leftwich
Shane Hathaway wrote: Wade Leftwich wrote: +1 from the standpoint of promoting corporate adoption, especially when combined with first-class citizenship for RDBMS. (In the corporation I work for, anyway.) Yes, RDBMS would become a first-class citizen. New users would be able to write

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Shane Hathaway
Wade Leftwich wrote: Following the lead of Holger Froebe, I'm looking at using Sqlalchemy with Z3 to get access to more SQL syntax than SqlObject currently exposes. By the way, Holger wrote a terrific Z3 advocacy post the other day: http://www.jrandolph.com/blog/?p=23#comment-324 That's some

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 09 February 2006 13:40, Shane Hathaway wrote: Any thoughts or gut reactions? Gut reaction: Very cool. As long as we can easily also have the traditional way I would love to see a prototype in a branch. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread cstrong
On Thursday 09 February 2006 13:40, Shane Hathaway wrote: Any thoughts or gut reactions? Gut reaction: Very cool. As long as we can easily also have the traditional way I would love to see a prototype in a branch. Regards, Stephan +1 I want the best of all worlds, ZODB, RDBMS, ORM,

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Shane Hathaway
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 09 February 2006 13:40, Shane Hathaway wrote: Any thoughts or gut reactions? Gut reaction: Very cool. As long as we can easily also have the traditional way I would love to see a prototype in a branch. Cool! I'll start thinking deeper about it, then.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:40:51 -, Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An idea just occurred to me. I think others have probably had similar ideas, but didn't express it in the right place or time. Part 1: Let's put an Apache-like web root Part 2: Let's add some ZCML directives

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 11:30:29PM -, Martin Aspeli wrote: | So, I'm serving static content like Apache, I'm interpreting file types | like Apache and I'm using .htaccess files like Apache. But I'm using Zope. | | Why am I not just using Apache? | Would I be learning this beast that is

[Zope3-dev] Who would use this crazy thing called Zope 3?

2006-02-10 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi, Let me play devil's advocate for just a moment Let me run around for a while like a headless chicken. Please don't shoot me, I'm actually quite in love with Zope 3. But I can see myself having this argument many times in the future, so I'd like some good answers. As a developer, I

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Shane Hathaway
Martin Aspeli wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:40:51 -, Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An idea just occurred to me. I think others have probably had similar ideas, but didn't express it in the right place or time. Part 1: Let's put an Apache-like web root Part 2: Let's add

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Derrick Hudson
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:40:51AM -0700, Shane Hathaway wrote: | An idea just occurred to me. I think others have probably had similar | ideas, but didn't express it in the right place or time. [..] | Any thoughts or gut reactions? My first response was cool. My second response was: that's

[Zope3-dev] Re: Who would use this crazy thing called Zope 3?

2006-02-10 Thread Martin Aspeli
Forward compatibility is a myth, it doesn't exist. I would tend to agree. However, the degree of compatability and the time spans in questions are under the development team's control. It may, at some point, become more important to ensure continuity than to perfect things. Extreme

[Zope3-dev] Re: Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:39:01 -, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 11:30:29PM -, Martin Aspeli wrote: | So, I'm serving static content like Apache, I'm interpreting file types | like Apache and I'm using .htaccess files like Apache. But I'm using Zope.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-10 Thread Derrick Hudson
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 04:49:55PM -0700, Shane Hathaway wrote: | Martin Aspeli wrote: | On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:40:51 -, Shane Hathaway | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] | Why am I not just using Apache? | Would I be learning this beast that is Zope? | | The content is not necessarily