Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-20 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: It would be very nice if we could make that work! Zope as a drop-in Apache extension would certainly help wider adoption. Yes indeed :-) We're not a normal pythonish Apache thing though, 'cos we need to rigidly limit the number of app server threads because of the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-20 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: Does the Zope 2 server need that much work? It seems to do a pretty good job... I don't know. It does seem to do a pretty good job. But I'm not aware of any one else who's in a position to fix it if it breaks or needs to be enhanced. Anyone else apart from who? I'm sure

[Zope3-dev] Update on proposals for Zope 3.4 (was: [SpringCleaning07])

2006-12-20 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I've updated the spring cleaning proposal with the suggestions (and additional votes from people posting in this thread). Please have a look at: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/SpringCleaning07 There still is an open sub-task, to check for packages that are in src/ but not distributed with a

Re: [Zope3-dev] Weird package in Zope 3 core: optionstorage

2006-12-20 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:42 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi again, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I just stumbled over the package optionstorage. The checkin message when this was added reads: This is a generic solution for including editable and multi-lingual vocbulary-like information in any

Re: [Zope3-dev] Cleaning up the widget mess a little bit: bug or feature

2006-12-20 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 19, 2006, at 2:34 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi again, Gary Poster wrote: I don't have a very strong feeling about it, but lean towards bug fix. It didn't break any of our code (or at least any of our tests :-) ) so it seems safe from my perspective. I was trying to apply the

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Martijn Subject: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07] By the way, I'm quite interested in seeing whether we can integrate Genshi into Zope 3 and Grok as a templating language. It has some interesting ways to do things, and there's quite a bit of momentum behind it.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Update on proposals for Zope 3.4

2006-12-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I've updated the spring cleaning proposal with the suggestions (and additional votes from people posting in this thread). I think it's a good idea to let anything that has any vote *against* removing from the core stay in the core for now (unless someone goes

Re: [Zope3-dev] Cleaning up the widget mess a little bit: bug or feature

2006-12-20 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Gary Poster wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 2:34 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi again, Gary Poster wrote: I don't have a very strong feeling about it, but lean towards bug fix. It didn't break any of our code (or at least any of our tests :-) ) so it seems safe from my perspective. I

Re: [Zope3-dev] Cleaning up the widget mess a little bit: bug or feature

2006-12-20 Thread Gary Poster
On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:15 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Gary Poster wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 2:34 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi again, Gary Poster wrote: I don't have a very strong feeling about it, but lean towards bug fix. It didn't break any of our code (or at least any of our

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jim Washington
Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting traction. TurboGears among others is going to adopt it, but also things

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Washington wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting traction. TurboGears among others is going to

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jim Washington
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Washington wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting traction. TurboGears among

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martijn I saw the Grok package but what is Genshi? Can you point me to a link? http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Jim, It's premature to announce (we plan to have eggs on pypi soon) , but take a look at zif.xtemplate at zif.sourceforge.net . It's pretty alpha at the moment, but it uses a DTD and some xpath to get around the tags that shouldn't be minimized issue, and it includes a first stab

[Zope3-dev] z3+squid+Unauthorized = weirdness

2006-12-20 Thread Adam Groszer
Hello, Just happened the following: zope3 server | | squid proxy / \ / \ / \ userA userB Both my users are sitting behind a squid proxy/firewall. That is a usual out-of-the-box SuSe linux firewall/proxy config. Each request goes through the squid proxy. userA does

Re: [Zope3-dev] z3+squid+Unauthorized = weirdness

2006-12-20 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 02:36:59PM +0100, Adam Groszer wrote: Hello, Just happened the following: zope3 server | | squid proxy / \ / \ / \ userA userB Both my users are sitting behind a squid proxy/firewall. That is a usual out-of-the-box SuSe linux

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jim Washington
Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Jim, It's premature to announce (we plan to have eggs on pypi soon) , but take a look at zif.xtemplate at zif.sourceforge.net . It's pretty alpha at the moment, but it uses a DTD and some xpath to get around the tags that shouldn't be minimized issue, and it

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Jim, Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07] What's up with jsonserver? [...] Hi, Roger [...] For the moment, the Zif Collective is all alpha and experimental on SourceForge. Nothing released. Nothing to be alarmed about. Nothing decided about other repositories.

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Rocky Burt
On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 12:52 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting traction. TurboGears among others

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Martijn Faassen
Rocky Burt wrote: On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 12:52 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting traction.

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Rocky Burt
On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 16:47 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: Rocky Burt wrote: On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 12:52 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who

[Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Rocky Burt wrote: On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 12:52 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On 12/20/06, Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm actually -1 on getting out of the server business as well, at least in terms of the Zope2 ZServer: I don't see it as requiring much maintenance, and there *are* folks in the community (I can think of five or six, at least) who know Medusa /

Re: [Zope3-dev] IProcessStartingEvent

2006-12-20 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Garanin Michael wrote: Hello! I not found raise zope.app.appsetup.IProcessStartingEvent. Is it deprecated? A quick check on the trunk tells me that it is triggered. Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Z3d] 721/ 8 Comment Handling of empty prefixes in zope.formlib and zope.app.form

2006-12-20 Thread Christian Theune
Hi Jacob, Jacob Holm wrote: I don't have time to check it in now, but I will do it in a few days unless i hear otherwise. I didn't see any change on this, if there is anything I can do to help or support your, I'd be happy to do so. No worries if you're just short on time (we're all on

Re: [Zope3-dev] Removing SSL/SSH-Keys from Skeleton

2006-12-20 Thread Michael Kerrin
Hi Christian, On Monday 18 December 2006 21:32, Christian Theune wrote: Michael Kerrin wrote: Suppose I could merge some of the changes that from that branch to get rid of ssh_* and sftp code which should be independent of any twisted upgrade. Then a SSL cleanup is also independent of an

Re: [Zope3-dev] Removing SSL/SSH-Keys from Skeleton

2006-12-20 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Michael Kerrin wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 21:32, Christian Theune wrote: Michael Kerrin wrote: Suppose I could merge some of the changes that from that branch to get rid of ssh_* and sftp code which should be independent of any twisted upgrade. Then a SSL cleanup is also

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jeff Shell
On 12/19/06, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 06:16, Roger Ineichen wrote: Here is a list of candidates for removal (please verify!): I'm only commenting on the ones that I use, think have some use, or just have questions about. zope.fssync +1 0

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-20 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2006-12-19 17:27 -0500: Dieter Maurer wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2006-12-19 11:54 -0500: ... I made a mistake several years ago when I decided to (have Amos) implement FTP over ZPublisher. The Zope publisher is a CGI-inspired HTTP-based and thus stateless API. It is a poor

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jeff Shell
On 12/20/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rocky Burt wrote: On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 12:52 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/20/06, Jeff Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If TAL / Page Templates isn't really made available to anyone else, how could it get momentum? 'zope.tal', 'zope.tales' and 'zope.pagetemplate' could probably be combined into a nice world-usable egg. zope.pagetemplate is used in JOTWeb:

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-20 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2006-12-20 09:15 +: Martijn Faassen wrote: It would be very nice if we could make that work! Zope as a drop-in Apache extension would certainly help wider adoption. Yes indeed :-) We're not a normal pythonish Apache thing though, 'cos we need to rigidly limit the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Z3d] 721/ 8 Comment Handling of empty prefixes in zope.formlib and zope.app.form

2006-12-20 Thread Jacob Holm
Christian Theune skrev: Hi Jacob, Jacob Holm wrote: I don't have time to check it in now, but I will do it in a few days unless i hear otherwise. I have now checked it in on the trunk, and backported to the 3.3 and 3.2 branches. I didn't see any change on this, if there is

Re: [Zope3-dev] Weird package in Zope 3 core: optionstorage

2006-12-20 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 06:26, Gary Poster wrote: FWIW, I glanced at this too.  This is another part of the initial   checkin information to which Christian referred; seems like Gustavo   or Stephan might know about it. r28445 | niemeyer | 2004-11-12 13:49:40 -0500 (Fri, 12 Nov 2004) |

[Zope3-dev] Experimental implementation of Loading Configuration from the zope.app Egg

2006-12-20 Thread Baiju M
Hi Jim, I tried to implement your Loading Configuration from the zope.app Egg proposal [1] in one svn branch (baijum-zope-app-zcmlfiles) [2]. If you are not yet started it's implementation can you review this branch? [1] http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/LoadingConfigurationFromTheZopeAppEgg

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Z3d] 721/ 8 Comment Handling of empty prefixes in zope.formlib and zope.app.form

2006-12-20 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Jacob Holm wrote: I have now checked it in on the trunk, and backported to the 3.3 and 3.2 branches. Yay! You can tell me if there is anything else I need to do. From the perspective of the collector issue, this is all good. I'll close the issue. (Looks like you even were lucky and the

[Zope3-dev] Re: Need to get more involved in Web SIG (was Re: Fixing ZServer bugs?)

2006-12-20 Thread Christian Zagrodnick
On 2006-12-19 16:12:47 +0100, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think only Michael Kerrin actively supports Twisted. I'm not sure what the status of that is. The last time I made time to pay attention to this, at the time we released Zope 3.2, the Twisted WSGI integration had a lot of