Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-checkins] SVN: Zope3/trunk/doc/security/SecurityTarget.txt - removed rst document in favor of latex

2005-04-20 Thread Christian Theune
the document is going to be split in multiple files because it's pretty large right now. Cheers, Christian -- Christian Theune - gocept gmbh co. kg - http://www.gocept.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - phon: +49 3496 30 99 112 - fax: +49 3496 30 99 118 schalaunische strasse 6 - 06366 koethen - germany

Re: [Zope3-dev] Release numbering

2005-04-22 Thread Christian Theune
become reality. Eventually it also will only be Zope 3.1.5 (certified). Problem is: I have to state an (estimated) identifier within the certification documents to identify the target that we're certifying. I'll ask the reviewers when we have to fix that. Cheers, Christian -- Christian Theune

Re: [Zope3-dev] small problem in zc.page?

2005-07-07 Thread Christian Theune
Am Donnerstag, den 07.07.2005, 19:23 +0200 schrieb Martijn Faassen: Even if not in the core, it'd already help if this wasn't a one-time snapshot but a SVN repository where we can check in. ack. -- gocept gmbh co. kg - schalaunische str. 6 - 06366 koethen - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL

[Zope3-dev] Re: [German dictionary] removed old terms; added some new ones

2005-08-13 Thread Christian Theune
Howdi, waiting for some unit tests I saw that mail and went over the terms in there. I don't know the state of discussion but I'd prefer some different terms: attribut(e) - Attribut (instead of Merkmal) bundle- Paket (instead of Buendel) log - (Ereignis)Protokoll

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [German dictionary] removed old terms; added some new ones

2005-08-13 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Samstag, den 13.08.2005, 16:25 +0200 schrieb E. Frerich: workflow - Workflow (this is valid in german. Prozess or other things don't mean the technical term of workflow) -1 If we have a german word (that is Arbeitsablauf) we should use it.) We do have a lot of german words

[Zope3-dev] Bugday on December 2 (yes, tomorrow)

2005-12-01 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I'm a bit confused but I'll just go forward, because I was motivated by #zope3-dev. Tomorrow was a date in question for a bug day. Two people acknowledged it and I just realized that Zope 3.2 is already at risk for falling behind schedule. Therefor I'm willing to spend my time tomorrow to

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Make HTTP streaming of large data simpler

2005-12-06 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Montag, den 05.12.2005, 11:13 -0500 schrieb Jim Fulton: For A, you want to compute that data and then leave application code. You don't want to stay in the application, holding application resources, like database connections, while the data is being consumed. In this case, you

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Make HTTP streaming of large data simpler

2005-12-06 Thread Christian Theune
Am Dienstag, den 06.12.2005, 12:01 -0200 schrieb Sidnei da Silva: On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 08:55:56AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: | Interesting. I wasn't aware of this in Z2. Zope 3 definately | doesn't have this. Sindnei, have you verified that this actially | works in Z2? I didn't think the

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Make HTTP streaming of large data simpler

2005-12-06 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 06.12.2005, 09:30 -0500 schrieb Jim Fulton: I'd be good to do it via a temporary file and pass that back either via adaption or wrapping it into an IResult-thingy. Yes. Now I wonder whether I _do_ have to provide the headers which are set automatically right

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Twisted Publisher and Zope 2

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 08.12.2005, 11:47 -0500 schrieb Tres Seaver: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 08 December 2005 08:29, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 08:18:49AM -0500, Stephan Richter wrote: | On Thursday 08

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Twisted Publisher and Zope 2

2005-12-09 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 09.12.2005, 10:21 +0100 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: I don't think we neither need the ZF for this nor should we need it. I think it has been understood by everyone that the ZF shouldn't dictate development issues. We have technical popes for that :). Agreed. Although the

[Zope3-dev] Zope.org Developer Home cleanup

2005-12-11 Thread Christian Theune
(Sorry for X-post) Hi, I proposed to clean up the developer zone a bit. I'll do that without a lot of fuss as I have to goals: - get information up to date - reduce the amount of false / out-of-date information - structure it in small steps so important stuff is found easier I'll make an

[Zope3-dev] Wiki cleanup

2005-12-11 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I started going over the frontpage of DevHome and Zope 3 wiki, arranging stuff for better overview. The user documentation section isn't as clean as I want it to be yet. If there are objections to reducing the amount of information on the homepage as I did, please speak up. Next thing I'll

[Zope3-dev] Zope common criteria certification

2005-12-12 Thread Christian Theune
Good news, today I'm starting my funded work on the common criteria certification for Zope 3. I'm targeting to get Zope 3.3 certified. If I (we) do not achieve that, we should forget about the certification. But I'm expecting Zope 3.3 to be fit for certification. This week, I will create a

[Zope3-dev] Wiki comments

2005-12-12 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I propose to disable the comment functionality on the wiki pages for the Zope 3 developer Wiki. Most comments are kept up-to-date and are misused as mailinglist replacements. I think discussion should happen on the mailinglists and result in changes on the documents. But likely, we are not

[Zope3-dev] Wiki subscription on mailing list?

2005-12-12 Thread Christian Theune
Is it intentional that the mailinglist is subscribed on the wiki? I find it quite convenient to update the pages while I'm working on it, but that generates a _lot_ of traffic on the list... Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - schalaunische str. 6 - 06366 koethen - germany www.gocept.com -

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Wiki comments

2005-12-12 Thread Christian Theune
Am Montag, den 12.12.2005, 13:26 +0100 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: Christian Theune wrote: I propose to disable the comment functionality on the wiki pages for the Zope 3 developer Wiki. +1 Do you have any idea how that works? :) -- gocept gmbh co. kg - schalaunische str. 6

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Wiki subscription on mailing list?

2005-12-12 Thread Christian Theune
Am Montag, den 12.12.2005, 13:29 +0100 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: AFAIK the list isn't subscribed but individual people. They only get spammed :). I inspected the headers of the notifications I received and saw they contained the list headers. By the way, I prefer editing things in a

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Wiki subscription on mailing list?

2005-12-12 Thread Christian Theune
Am Montag, den 12.12.2005, 13:36 +0100 schrieb Christian Theune: Am Montag, den 12.12.2005, 13:29 +0100 schrieb Philipp von Weitershausen: AFAIK the list isn't subscribed but individual people. They only get spammed :). I inspected the headers of the notifications I received and saw

Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Locale-specific Text Collation

2005-12-12 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Freitag, den 09.12.2005, 08:58 -0500 schrieb Jim Fulton: When presenting users with ordered text (e.g. sorted lists of options), simply sorting Unicode strings doesn't provide an ordering that users in a given locale will find useful. Various languages have text sorting conventions

[Zope3-dev] Certification: Support platforms different from Linux?

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, although Zope runs on platforms different than Linux, we'll have a hard time to certify it on multiple platforms. Usually a very specific system configuration is given, like Windows 2003 with Service Pack XY and Hotfixes A, B and C. I think we can get around that by making a small amount of

[Zope3-dev] Certification: Twisted versus Zope / native HTTPS or Apache

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, giving recommendations about security, we advice everyone to put their communication on protected lines. E.g. use HTTPS. As we are targetting Zope 3.3, I think twisted can be the recommended configuration option for Zope to run with. How do you feel about the use of the HTTPS server of

Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Twisted versus Zope / native HTTPS or Apache

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 06:39 -0500 schrieb Rob Page: On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:28 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: So, I think Apache has its place in front of Twisted, just like Apache now has its place in front of ZServer. +1. IIUC, the C2 certification is configuration-dependent

Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Twisted versus Zope / native HTTPS or Apache

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 13:03 +0100 schrieb Christian Theune: Ok. So in favor of the mainstream (and trusted!) configuration, I'll go for using the standard Twisted/HTTP server in combination with a local Apache that provides SSL to the web browser. Actually that also means that I

Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Support platforms different from Linux?

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 13:13 +0100 schrieb Adam Groszer: I'll say maybe a small survey should be done how many people are using other OS's. Not sure if that would give us a valid statement. My statistic abilities are bad. :) One more thing is that maybe you cannot force your next

Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Support platforms different from Linux?

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 10:47 -0500 schrieb Jim Fulton: Yes. The customers of ours most likely to care about this use Windows. I would say in general, for better or worse, the decision makers who would care about CC would also care about Windows. I suspect that the decision makers

Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Support platforms different from Linux?

2005-12-16 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 10:47 -0500 schrieb Jim Fulton: Yes. The customers of ours most likely to care about this use Windows. I would say in general, for better or worse, the decision makers who would care about CC would also care about Windows. I suspect that the decision makers

[Zope3-dev] Certification: Supporting Residual Information Protection in Zope 3

2005-12-16 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, within the certification we once created a list (drawn from the CC catalogue) of functionality we want to support. One of those is called Residual Information Protection (RIP) The meaning of RIP is that when you delete security attributes (roles, users, groups, permission grants/denials)

RE: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Supporting Residual InformationProtection in Zope 3

2005-12-16 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Freitag, den 16.12.2005, 11:14 +0100 schrieb Roger Ineichen: This is a simple example of what can happen when you only partially delete security attributes. And it is a known problem with todays Zope 2 security. Yes, that is excatly what we d right now. If we remova a principal

Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Supporting Residual InformationProtection in Zope 3

2005-12-16 Thread Christian Theune
Am Freitag, den 16.12.2005, 12:52 +0100 schrieb Martijn Faassen: Roger Ineichen wrote: [Christian] Otherwise this function is likely to become a performance killer, as I'd have to go all over the place to remove stuff. We do this everytime we delete a object. This is done with

Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Supporting Residual Information Protection in Zope 3

2005-12-16 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Freitag, den 16.12.2005, 07:16 -0500 schrieb Jim Fulton: This is only a problem if username === user id. In both Zope 2 and Zope 3, these are distinct, although this isn't widely recognized or leveraged in Zope 2. I don't think it is necessary to remove all grants to an old user *id*

Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Supporting Residual Information Protection in Zope 3

2005-12-16 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Freitag, den 16.12.2005, 07:49 -0500 schrieb Jim Fulton: Christian Theune wrote: I think if we can guarantee never to reuse a user id, provide a tool for doing RIP and we do not provide undo we are fine. Only if we manage the user ids. We often get principal ids from outside

[Zope3-dev] Re: [FrontPage] Wiki is now cleaned or at least Christian does not work on it anymore.

2006-01-12 Thread Christian Theune
Am Mittwoch, den 11.01.2006, 12:45 -0500 schrieb srichter: --removed: - div class=messageThe Zope 3 wiki is beeing tidied up. Please bear with any inconvenience while this happens./div Right. I got distracted and never went back. I still have to think about it and will get back to this. This

[Zope3-dev] Bug or Feature in security proxy / checker code?

2006-01-12 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, we are wondering about the behaviour in the following situation: * self is a view and we're in a method of that view * self.context is an instance of class A (A is a content class and a folder) * self.context is security proxied * class A has a method doStuff * we call

[Zope3-dev] Question about re-authentication

2006-01-25 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, when Jim, Steve and I wrote up a good part of the certification specification we added a functional requirement for reauthentication. This means that: a) Ask a user for new authentication, if he is trying to do something that he can not do, but might be possible if he provides a different

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Question about re-authentication

2006-01-26 Thread Christian Theune
On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 17:25 -0500, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 05:40, Christian Theune wrote: I'm quite sure that part b) isn't written yet, but I'm not sure what the state of part

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope definition on Wikipedia

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 14:53 +0100, Stefane Fermigier wrote: I have made a little update on the Zope article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zope Great! Here is the diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zopediff=36787848oldid=36094466 It would probably be very

[Zope3-dev] Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, is there a chance we can get rid of the Refresh button on the standard forms? Every now and then, I hit the wrong one. And I do not see a clear need for the refresh. Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:39 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Christian Theune wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:33 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: 'Refresh' should be called 'Reset' -- in fact resetting the form contents to the original loaded values ('Reset' is also

[Zope3-dev] Bytes versus ASCII

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, (this is about zope.schema) I assumed that the fields Bytes and ASCII have some distinction. The ASCII field explicitly checks for every character to have an ordinal value lower than 127. Bytes however does a cast in fromUnicode(u) that does str(u). This will break if there are non-ascii

[Zope3-dev] Correction to RFC

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
Obviously I'm blind. I found the __traceback_info__ code a few lines down. Obviously they are used for slightly different things. Obviously I'm going to investigate again, why the __traceback_info__ elements don't appear. Mea culpa, Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112

Re: [Zope3-dev] Correction to RFC

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 18:46 -0200, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 09:37:03PM +0100, Christian Theune wrote: | Is it intentional that there is a distinction? It took me quite a while | to actually notice that minore difference and come to the conclusion | that there are two

Re: [Zope3-dev] Correction to RFC

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 20:34 +0100, Christian Theune wrote: Obviously I'm blind. I found the __traceback_info__ code a few lines down. Obviously they are used for slightly different things. Obviously I'm going to investigate again, why the __traceback_info__ elements don't appear. I

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 20:47 +, Martin Aspeli wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:58:02 -, Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't include the Reset functionality in HTML forms. It is absolutely useless, and is considered one of the classic usability mistakes. Just say

Re: [Zope3-dev] Correction to RFC

2006-01-28 Thread Christian Theune
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 16:38 -0700, Shane Hathaway wrote: It's checked in, but perhaps there is some other code that also needs to use the custom traceback formatter. The conversion is trivial. Replace this: from traceback import print_exception print_exception(...) with this:

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Release schedule and deprecation decisions

2006-02-06 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 12:11 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: A while ago, we had some discussion on when to make releases and how long to support deprecated features. The discussion has died down so I'll summarize what I think the conclusions were: - We'll move releases up one month to may and

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Release schedule and deprecation decisions

2006-03-01 Thread Christian Theune
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 09:31 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: Thinking about this some more, I propose we should go for June and November this year, to give Christian and others more time and then do May and November from there on. This would be very appreciated! +1 Christan -- gocept gmbh co. kg

[Zope3-dev] Locale definitions

2006-03-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, can somebody tell me where the locale definitions come from? The de_DE definition for currency always includes a weird symbol that might want to be a Euro symbol. However, there is no option to get a price formatted as a reasonable number without this broken symbol ... Christian -- gocept

Re: [Zope3-dev] Locale definitions

2006-03-14 Thread Christian Theune
On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 16:18 -0500, Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 14 March 2006 12:20, Christian Theune wrote: The de_DE definition for currency always includes a weird symbol that might want to be a Euro symbol. However, there is no option to get a price formatted as a reasonable number

[Zope3-dev] Your best Zope (3) tricks

2006-04-09 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, the DZUG is preparing a fair booth on the Linux Tag and we had the idea of a marketing Zope a bit away from the standard. I'll be doing a presentation showing off Zope 3 techniques as Dozen Dirty Tricks (even though they might not be dirty in the real sense of the word, it's better for

[Zope3-dev] Zope 3 common criteria security target ready

2006-04-21 Thread Christian Theune
Hi everybody. It seemed like it would never really happen, but finally we are there: The Security Target document for the Zope 3 common criteria certification is finished. For everyone to enjoy reading it, see the attached PDF. I want to thank everybody who helped us over the last two years to

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 common criteria security target ready

2006-04-21 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, right. I noticed that and send another email with the PDF file. However it was larger than 300kb, so it is currently in the review queue. Until the, the PDF is available on the net as well: http://new.zope.de/Members/ctheune/securitytarget.pdf Am Freitag, den 21.04.2006, 18:17 +0200

[Zope3-dev] ClientStorage vs DemoStorage broken in Zope 3.2?

2006-04-25 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I'm preparing a presentation and marketing campaign for Zope 3 for the next weeks linux fair in here in Germany. I'm demonstrating a couple of things and was trying to use DemoStorage with ClientStorage on a Zope 3.2 server today. However, it didn't work and crashed with this message and

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: ClientStorage vs DemoStorage broken in Zope 3.2?

2006-04-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 25.04.2006, 23:50 -0400 schrieb Tres Seaver: Smells like a fix didn't get forward-ported somehow -- that looks like the same error I helped Tim find and fix for Zope 2. CC'ing the ZODB list just in case anyone there has a better memory. Here is the NEWS.txt entry for

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: ClientStorage vs DemoStorage broken in Zope 3.2?

2006-04-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hi again, Am Mittwoch, den 26.04.2006, 08:05 +0200 schrieb Christian Theune: I remembered there was a fix like that. Unfortunately that fix was ported to the 3.6 branch actually. I'm poking around myself a bit more. What I found right now is that BaseStorage accesses an attribute _oid

[Zope3-dev] Zope 3 deprecation in 3.3

2006-05-24 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, i noticed that a lot of modules in 3.3 where moved from the places in 3.2. What does the deprecation policy say here? Should there still be pointers around that warn people not to use the old imports anymore? Our software breaks at large when moving from 3.2 (which doesn't give any

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 deprecation in 3.3

2006-05-24 Thread Christian Theune
Jim Fulton wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Hi, i noticed that a lot of modules in 3.3 where moved from the places in 3.2. What does the deprecation policy say here? Should there still be pointers around that warn people not to use the old imports anymore? Yes. Our software breaks at large

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 deprecation in 3.3

2006-05-24 Thread Christian Theune
Hi again, one of my co-workers actually put the ones we immediately found in a collector issue. If there should be no better solution, we might use issue 637 to track those down ... Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL

[Zope3-dev] formlib's standard template

2006-06-05 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I'd like to add a minor tweak to formlib's standard template. The required flag currently is a separate span-tag with an asterisk (*) inside. The label itself does not carry the CSS class for required. To make this a backwards-compatible change, I'd like to add the css-class

[Zope3-dev] Another pre-release please!

2006-06-16 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, whatever the result of today's bugday should be: Please make another packaged release (beta2 or rc or whatever). After fiddling around quite a while yesterday to figure out how to make a release package to verify that the package problems with the missing BBB imports are gone I noticed

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Another pre-release please!

2006-06-16 Thread Christian Theune
Paolo Invernizzi wrote: Christian Theune wrote: After fiddling around quite a while yesterday to figure out how to make a release package Can you point me to some documentation or HOWTO on this topic? http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/MakingARelease

Re: [Zope3-dev] Getting to 3.3 Beta 2

2006-06-16 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, as I had to ask how that list can be retrieved, here is the link to the collector that returns those bugs. The query is: status: accepted, new or pending classification: bug importance: critical As the query is kind of long, here short URL: http://tinyurl.com/qqhtv Christian Jim

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 FreeBSD tmiddleton

2006-06-16 Thread Christian Theune
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 FreeBSD tmiddleton. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 6187 Blamelist: ctheune BUILD FAILED: failed test Hah. Looks like BTrees can accept 2**31 on machines

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 FreeBSD tmiddleton

2006-06-17 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, thanks Tim, for the partial enlightenment. :) Unfortunately my BTree/C-wisdom is much much smaller than yours, so I got to check a couple of assumptions over here. :) Tim Peters wrote: [Christian Theune] Hah. Looks like BTrees can accept 2**31 on machines where maxint is a larger

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 FreeBSD tmiddleton

2006-06-17 Thread Christian Theune
Thanks for the clarification, Tim! Due to the possible future use of 64-bit BTrees, I'm inclined to go for the 2-character fix for now and possibly remove it once we hit 64-bit everywhere. Otherwise I'd agree on the fix using the comparison you mentioned: (long)(int)some_C_long !=

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/branches/3.3/ - fix for issue 517: intid might generate long instead of int which conflicts with btrees

2006-06-18 Thread Christian Theune
Florent Guillaume wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Log message for revision 68700: --- Zope3/branches/3.3/src/zope/app/intid/__init__.py2006-06-17 03:29:43 UTC (rev 68699) +++ Zope3/branches/3.3/src/zope/app/intid/__init__.py2006-06-17 04:10:29 UTC (rev 68700) @@ -47,7 +47,10

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 FreeBSD tmiddleton

2006-06-18 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Tim Peters wrote: [Christian] Thanks for the clarification, Tim! You're welcome :-) Due to the possible future use of 64-bit BTrees, I'm inclined to go for the 2-character fix for now and possibly remove it once we hit 64-bit everywhere. Yupp. If we remember ... ;) The BTree bug

[Zope3-dev] Somebody review my fix for issue 592?

2006-06-18 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I'm pretty confident that this change does what it is intended to do (fix 592 and some inconsistencies along the way). But as I had to figure out some pretty old code and some of the architecture and dependencies in zope.app.form.browser, I might have made a mistake, although I supplied

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-18 Thread Christian Theune
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: My recommendation: 1 yr deprecation period as it is now 1 yr + X maintenance period for older branches. +1 Note that this should also extend to the Zope 3 releases. Zope 3.2 is part of Zope 2.9 and will hence be used for quite some time.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-18 Thread Christian Theune
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 18. Juni 2006 14:36:06 -0400 Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, Zope 2.8 is still available for stable download ... so we currently have 7 branches to watch out for. Yes, but in most cases a fix only affects only Zope 2 or Zope 3. So we are back to 3

[Zope3-dev] Disable developer mode by default

2006-06-19 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, due to the discussion in issue 507 and to make Zope 3 and Zope 2 behave more similar, I propose to disable the developer mode by default as of Zope 3.3 and as an additional fix for Zope 3.2. Additionally, I might take the time to log a warning when in developer mode, and even more

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/branches/3.3/ Fixed issue 525: DateWidget ru-format

2006-06-28 Thread Christian Theune
Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Gary Poster wrote: However, I'm not sure the new widget behavior is great for non-default locales either. Certainly being able to display dates in a locale-specific way is nice, but the input seems to be problematic. If you specify an ACCEPT-LANGUAGE of en-US, for

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/branches/3.3/ Fixed issue 525: DateWidget ru-format

2006-06-28 Thread Christian Theune
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Christian Theune wrote: I'm very much against relaxed date/time format checking. I tend to give my user the exact format that is expected and fail otherwise. All the guessing in the past led to bad bad errors because the field order the user entered

[Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-05 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. Martijn Fassen noted that the tools we use should be better (I agree on that, especially making it easy to find which bugs need to be urgently fixed

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-06 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Marius Gedminas wrote: I do not think that the requirements to 4. Write unit tests 5. Merge bugfixes from trunk to the release branch 6. Wait for the incredibly slow updates on the collector discourage me all that much. Right. They don't discourage me either, but there is a special

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Christian Theune
Jim Fulton wrote: I think we need to be more draconian about quality. Because we are late for this release, we will need to take the usual shortcuts, however, if we find missing tests, we should report them as non-critical bugs. In addition, we should disallow any new features that would

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Theune wrote at 2006-7-5 11:46 +0200: ... Another thing are the rules about unit tests. Some bugs touch areas that are poorly tested. When I fix a bug over there, do I

Re: [Zope3-dev] Remove zwiki-configure and bugtracker-configure?

2006-07-18 Thread Christian Theune
Fred Drake wrote: On 7/18/06, Florian Lindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since these two packages have been moved out of the trunk is it ok to remove zwiki-configure.zcml and bugtracker-configure.zcml from zopeskel/etc/package-includes? Indeed! AFAICT they were removed already, I stumbled

Re: [Zope3-dev] Remove zwiki-configure and bugtracker-configure?

2006-07-18 Thread Christian Theune
Fred Drake wrote: On 7/18/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAICT they were removed already, I stumbled over this today as SVN didn't remove them on their own. They get copied into zopeskel/etc/package-includes/ (and thence into instances); those copies don't get remove

[Zope3-dev] Conceptual difference between URL traversal / ZPT traversal

2006-07-19 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, I noticed that there are two different ways of traversing a given path string to an object: URL traversal and ZPT traversal. Is there a document somewhere describing why this difference exists? Christian -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany

Re: [Zope3-dev] Trunk Cleanup

2006-07-19 Thread Christian Theune
Benji York wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 19 July 2006 08:43, Benji York wrote: dut.py, ut.py, ft.py, zpl.py - They don't seem very useful. A little (possibly already existing) documentation would probably be better. If anyone really wants them, perhaps they could be moved to a

Re: [Zope3-dev] Subversion Externals

2006-07-20 Thread Christian Theune
Benji York wrote: We (ZC) had some internal buildbots overnight because Twisted's Subversion server was having problems. We've always known that depending on other people's Subversion servers was a risk, but I'd like to bring it up for discussion again. I propose we limit non-zope.org

Re: [Zope3-dev] ZODB with Blob support

2006-07-23 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Luis De la Parra wrote: Hello, has anyone tried the zodb with blob support in zope3 ? I just was wondering if there are any plans to support it in the (near) future. There might be, as soon as we get it into the main line of ZODB. Chris and I are working on this every now and then. Due

[Zope3-dev] Highly release-critical issues for 3.3

2006-07-27 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, we've been trying to migrate a Zope 3.2 application to Zope 3.3 this week. We stumbled over a few small things due to incorrect usage of APIs in Zope 3.2, which was easy to fix. We found two major problems though, regarding the generations that evolve a Zope 3.2 database to Zope 3.3.

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux tlotze

2006-07-31 Thread Christian Theune
Benji York wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux tlotze. This build slave is apparently having some trouble. It's reporting that it can't find gcc: unable to execute gcc: No such file or directory I've separately notified

[Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/branches/ctheune-issue-574/src/zope/app/session/configure.zcml - Removed conflicting security declaration for the traversal adapter that

2006-08-10 Thread Christian Theune
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Log message for revision 69387: - Removed conflicting security declaration for the traversal adapter that returns a Session object. Changed: U Zope3/branches/ctheune-issue-574/src/zope/app/session/configure.zcml

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/branches/ctheune-issue-574/src/zope/app/session/configure.zcml - Removed conflicting security declaration for the traversal adapter that

2006-08-10 Thread Christian Theune
Jim Fulton wrote: Perhaps the system shouldn't allow such combinations (adapter security + security of the class)? I agree. This combination should raise a ConflictError IMHO. I don't agree. It is reasonable to me that different adapters derived from the same class could need different

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: NAG NAG NAG (Was: Let's have a bug day -- sort of)

2006-08-14 Thread Christian Theune
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: On 8/11/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I really wish some more people would help out -- not just the usual suspects. Well, I as usual oppose the friday bugdays, but that said, I have vacation this week, so this friday would

Re: [Zope3-dev] error reporting utility and SiteError log

2006-08-17 Thread Christian Theune
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, I was making the assumption that any error that shows up in the error reporting utility in the ZMI is also copied to the SiteError log (typically STDOUT in a standard Zope 3 configuration), and vice versa. This assumption is true in Zope 2, where in the

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 2 clock server for Zope 3

2006-08-19 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, you might try a look at the recently released zc.async which allows you to leverage twisted asynchronous handling together with persistent objects (as far as I know right now, haven't looked at it personally yet). Christian Florian Lindner wrote: Hello, I've just read the release

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 2 clock server for Zope 3

2006-08-21 Thread Christian Theune
Florian Lindner wrote: Am Sonntag, 20. August 2006 06:11 schrieb Christian Theune: Hi, you might try a look at the recently released zc.async which allows you to leverage twisted asynchronous handling together with persistent objects (as far as I know right now, haven't looked at it personally

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Fwd: [Z3d] 537/ 3 Resolve RecordingHTTP is not implemented]

2006-08-22 Thread Christian Theune
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Benji York wrote: Egon Frerich wrote: Functional tests are important in every application not only in Zope 3 itself. Therefore zope.app.recorder with the RecordingHTTP should be part of the releases. That

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux tlotze

2006-08-24 Thread Christian Theune
Something fishy here! Also Thomas' buildbot sometimes breaks, this looks like a real error. The ZEO tests seem to hang! So somebody from the blamelist might want to look into that. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 Linux tlotze.

[Zope3-dev] Too many dependencies in zope.decorator

2006-08-26 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, ZODB with Blobs uses zope.proxy. Recently I discovered that due to a refactoring, the semantics of a proxy have significantly changed and a new concept of a decorator was born. ZODB with Blobs needs the ability of a specification decorator. However, the zope.decorator depends also on

Re: [Zope3-dev] Too many dependencies in zope.decorator

2006-08-28 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Jim Fulton wrote: On Aug 24, 2006, at 7:32 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, ZODB with Blobs uses zope.proxy. Recently I discovered that due to a refactoring, the semantics of a proxy have significantly changed and a new concept of a decorator was born. I don't know what you mean

[Zope3-dev] registerUtility(component, interface) vs provideUtility(interface, component) vs provideUtility(component, interface)

2006-09-01 Thread Christian Theune
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, see subject. What's the reason that all three flavours (still?) exist? I just had a really hard time finding the spelling I need. Christian - -- gocept gmbh co. kg - forsterstraße 29 - 06112 halle/saale - germany www.gocept.com - [EMAIL

[Zope3-dev] Re: registerUtility(component, interface) vs provideUtility(interface, component) vs provideUtility(component, interface)

2006-09-02 Thread Christian Theune
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christian Theune wrote: see subject. What's the reason that all three flavours (still?) exist? I just had a really hard time finding the spelling I need. ztapi.provideUtility(interface, component

[Zope3-dev] Re: registerUtility(component, interface) vs provideUtility(interface, component) vs provideUtility(component, interface)

2006-09-02 Thread Christian Theune
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christian Theune wrote: see subject. What's the reason that all three flavours (still?) exist? I just had a really hard time finding the spelling I

[Zope3-dev] Zope 3 as a reliable platform?!?

2006-09-02 Thread Christian Theune
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, this is a rant. I don't want to be destructive or disruptive, but I feel like I need to turn this up right now. Let's start with something positive: I love Zope 3. I do. I know it almost since the beginning and I see how it works out. But to be

[Zope3-dev] Re: registerUtility(component, interface) vs provideUtility(interface, component) vs provideUtility(component, interface)

2006-09-02 Thread Christian Theune
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christian Theune wrote: Isn't the global site manager something else then zope.component? No. The global site manager (we prefer to call it global component registry nowadays) is defined in zope.component

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