[Zope3-dev] Re: Do we really want Zope 3 marketing talk isolated on zope-web?

2006-02-08 Thread Michael Haubenwallner

Gary Poster wrote:

I'm not sure shuffling the hype and Zope 3 marketing conversations to  
zope-web is a good idea.  I'm not trying to fix zope.org (eek), and  I'm 
not trying to improve the Zope 2 image (though that would be nice  
too).  I, and I think others, are interested in marketing Zope 3.


As such, are we really such a big group that we should divide up onto  a 
*third* list (zope3-users, zope3-dev, and zope-web)?  I haven't  signed 
up there yet, myself.  I feel like going off isolates the  people 
working on the marketing stuff: new blood doesn't see the work  and 
possibly join in; and old easily-annoyed-and-unsubscribed-to-yet- 
another-freaking-list blood doesn't have visibility of the work.


Yes, this has been a lot of email messages, but I'd rather hang out  
together.


Thoughts?



'Zope-web' has always been the list to talk about zope websites related 
stuff (there's just been zope.org until now).


If its about scope and implementation it should be on zope-web.

Working on marketing stuff (and i think you are talking about content 
and direction here) could as well happen in zope3-dev or zope3-users lists.


Michael

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Do we really want Zope 3 marketing talk isolated on zope-web?

2006-02-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé

Michael Haubenwallner wrote:


Gary Poster wrote:

I'm not sure shuffling the hype and Zope 3 marketing conversations 
to  zope-web is a good idea.  I'm not trying to fix zope.org (eek), 
and  I'm not trying to improve the Zope 2 image (though that would be 
nice  too).  I, and I think others, are interested in marketing Zope 3.


As such, are we really such a big group that we should divide up 
onto  a *third* list (zope3-users, zope3-dev, and zope-web)?  I 
haven't  signed up there yet, myself.  I feel like going off isolates 
the  people working on the marketing stuff: new blood doesn't see the 
work  and possibly join in; and old 
easily-annoyed-and-unsubscribed-to-yet- another-freaking-list blood 
doesn't have visibility of the work.


Yes, this has been a lot of email messages, but I'd rather hang out  
together.


Thoughts?



'Zope-web' has always been the list to talk about zope websites 
related stuff (there's just been zope.org until now).


If its about scope and implementation it should be on zope-web.

Working on marketing stuff (and i think you are talking about content 
and direction here) could as well happen in zope3-dev or zope3-users 
lists.


Right, marketing is more than website things,

I know that a lot of people here don't like to have a lot of mailing 
lists but, can't we have a zope-com dedicated mailing list ?
So people that are talking about marketing stuff or buzz tactics on 
other lists are just sent over that mailing list ?


Maybe we can also promote important mailing list on zope.org on the 
mailing lists page,

by putting them on the top of the page, and BIGGER

main mailing lists:

-dev
-users
-com
-web

more mailing list:

..

Tarek



Michael



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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Do we really want Zope 3 marketing talk isolated on zope-web?

2006-02-08 Thread Sebastien Douche
On 2/8/06, Tarek Ziadé [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Right, marketing is more than website things,

 I know that a lot of people here don't like to have a lot of mailing
 lists but, can't we have a zope-com dedicated mailing list ?

+1 to centralize the discussions on an devoded mailing list. Marketing
aspect and communication with others Python projects are essential,
imho.

 Maybe we can also promote important mailing list on zope.org on the
 mailing lists page, by putting them on the top of the page, and BIGGER

Oh, this is a zope-web discussion ;)


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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Do we really want Zope 3 marketing talk isolated on zope-web?

2006-02-08 Thread Martijn Faassen

Michael Haubenwallner wrote:

Gary Poster wrote:

I'm not sure shuffling the hype and Zope 3 marketing conversations to  
zope-web is a good idea.  I'm not trying to fix zope.org (eek), and  
I'm not trying to improve the Zope 2 image (though that would be nice  
too).  I, and I think others, are interested in marketing Zope 3.


As such, are we really such a big group that we should divide up onto  
a *third* list (zope3-users, zope3-dev, and zope-web)?  I haven't  
signed up there yet, myself.  I feel like going off isolates the  
people working on the marketing stuff: new blood doesn't see the work  
and possibly join in; and old easily-annoyed-and-unsubscribed-to-yet- 
another-freaking-list blood doesn't have visibility of the work.


Yes, this has been a lot of email messages, but I'd rather hang out  
together.


Thoughts?



'Zope-web' has always been the list to talk about zope websites related 
stuff (there's just been zope.org until now).


If its about scope and implementation it should be on zope-web.

Working on marketing stuff (and i think you are talking about content 
and direction here) could as well happen in zope3-dev or zope3-users lists.


Right, zope-web is for working together and building a better web 
presence for Zope. I happen to believe that this is absolutely 
essential, vital, and integral to marketing Zope. It's the core of how 
we present ourselves, and everything else is less than secondary, if 
done in isolation from a better communication on what Zope is, what it's 
good for, etc.


Evidently a lot of people disagree with me on this, and think that 
fixing these other aspects of Zope marketing first will work better. I 
haven't really seen an explanation for how that would work while we 
retain the present zope.org as the only web presence Zope 2 and Zope 3 
have. Somehow people don't seem to be discussing other activities much 
in the recent threads, such as the writing intro text, of tutorials, 
designing and presenting screencasts, gathering links and other information.


So, if you just want to chat about marketing, there's no need at all to 
go to zope-web. Perhaps you shouldn't in fact, as it might distract us 
from the core task at hand there, which is zope.org. If you agree with 
me that the website is the core problem we need to tackle (and the other 
issues will come along with it), then please join zope-web and help us 
write text, organize a website, refine a website layout, and so on.


Regards,

Martijn
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