Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:14:08PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: | Here's what is in the docstring for HTTPRequest: | | - Lazy Data | | These are callables which are deferred until explicitly | referenced, at which point they are resolved and stored as | application data. | | Haven't found much else documentation. | | Are these basically lazy computed request keys/attributes then? Yes. | There's a 'set_lazy' method in HTTPRequest, and that's what the | session machinery uses to bind 'getSessionData' as 'SESSION'. This | specific case sucks though, because as 'SESSION' appears when doing | request.keys() is pretty common to create sessions implicitly by | iterating through the request. | | Yeah, explicit is better than implicit. | | I don't want to add this to Z3, but it should be included in the | new combined z2/z3 request. We really need to take a look at the | combined API and decide what we want in the long run. So we are shooting for a z2 request implemented in terms of a z3 request. Sounds like an adapter to me :) Maybe, however, if it is, it should happen as part of the request factory. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 07:28:09AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: | Sidnei da Silva wrote: | So we are shooting for a z2 request implemented in terms of a z3 | request. Sounds like an adapter to me :) | | Maybe, however, if it is, it should happen as part of the request | factory. That's what I had in mind, yes. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems, LLC. http://enfoldsystems.com ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 09:19:39AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: | | Note that the Z3 publication framework splits functionality | | currently provided by the Z2 publisher into a publisher and a | | publication object. An initial step might be top come up with | | a Z2 publication object that works with the Z3 publisher. Here's a status report: I've started a Z2 publication object in the 'publication-refactor' branch of Zope 2. I am not 100% sure this is what you had in mind, but basically i've broke down the 'publish' method from ZPublisher.Publish into the methods of IPublication, and it seems to have mapped quite well with some minor exceptions. I haven't gotten around to implementing the traverseName method, which will need some deep surgery on ZPublisher.BaseRequest. Now, what I have in mind moving forward is to replace the code in ZPublisher.Publish and ZPublisher.BaseRequest to use the Zope 2 IPublication instead of duplicating code once I'm done with implementing the interface. My only fear so far is that there might be some issues with the request object itself being not 100% backwards compatible, but I think we can have backwards compatibility implemented as an adapter from the Zope 3 request to Zope 2 request. How does that sound? -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems, LLC. http://enfoldsystems.com ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Another update: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 04:18:48PM -0200, Sidnei da Silva wrote: | I haven't gotten around to implementing the traverseName method, which | will need some deep surgery on ZPublisher.BaseRequest. This is done now. | Now, what I have in mind moving forward is to replace the code in | ZPublisher.Publish and ZPublisher.BaseRequest to use the Zope 2 | IPublication instead of duplicating code once I'm done with | implementing the interface. This is done too. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems, LLC. http://enfoldsystems.com ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 04:53:11PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: | I am not 100% sure this is what you had in mind, but basically i've | broke down the 'publish' method from ZPublisher.Publish into the | methods of IPublication, and it seems to have mapped quite well with | some minor exceptions. | | Cool. It should. IPublication was designed by insoecting all | the odd hooks in Zope 2. Yeah, the biggest difference seems to be exception handling from what I can tell. | My only fear so far is that there might be some issues with the | request object itself being not 100% backwards compatible, but I think | we can have backwards compatibility implemented as an adapter from the | Zope 3 request to Zope 2 request. | | Possibly. Note that the request itself is pluggable. Zope 3 has a | notion of request factories. When you set up a particular server, | you can specify which request factory is used. It would be nice though | of Zope 2 and Zope 3 requests could be handled by the same server | (host/port). | | Adaptation may be a good way to start, although arranging for the | adaptation to happen could get interesting. | | It might be better to see if we can come up with a request that provides | both Z2 and Z3 request APIs, if possible and then start a process of | deprecation of features we don't want in the future. This might | be easier and simpler than adaptation. Sounds good to me. By quickly looking Zope 3's requests have mostly the same methods and features from Zope2's. However sems like most methods were renamed for consistency (eg: supports_retry - supportsRetry). The greatest lacking functionality in Zope 3 seems to be the lack of a 'lazy' namespace, which is used primariliy for the 'SESSION' object in Zope 2. How do people feel about adding that to Zope 3? -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems, LLC. http://enfoldsystems.com ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Sidnei da Silva wrote: ... Sounds good to me. By quickly looking Zope 3's requests have mostly the same methods and features from Zope2's. However sems like most methods were renamed for consistency (eg: supports_retry - supportsRetry). There are a number of things I can think of off the top of my head: - getting request-based URLs. For example request/URL/1 vs request/URL1 - Z2's equivalence of item and attribute access :( - Z2's request.__setitem__, other, and a general tendency to try to colapse namespaces. The greatest lacking functionality in Zope 3 seems to be the lack of a 'lazy' namespace, which is used primariliy for the 'SESSION' object in Zope 2. How do people feel about adding that to Zope 3? I'm not familar with this. Where is it documented? Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 06:25:53PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: | Sidnei da Silva wrote: | ... | Sounds good to me. By quickly looking Zope 3's requests have mostly | the same methods and features from Zope2's. However sems like most | methods were renamed for consistency (eg: supports_retry - | supportsRetry). | | There are a number of things I can think of off the top of my head: | | - getting request-based URLs. For example request/URL/1 vs request/URL1 Uh, Zope 3 has the first I guess? Yup. These should be easy enough to combine. ... | The greatest lacking functionality in Zope 3 seems to be the lack of a | 'lazy' namespace, which is used primariliy for the 'SESSION' object in | Zope 2. How do people feel about adding that to Zope 3? | | I'm not familar with this. Where is it documented? Here's what is in the docstring for HTTPRequest: - Lazy Data These are callables which are deferred until explicitly referenced, at which point they are resolved and stored as application data. Haven't found much else documentation. Are these basically lazy computed request keys/attributes then? There's a 'set_lazy' method in HTTPRequest, and that's what the session machinery uses to bind 'getSessionData' as 'SESSION'. This specific case sucks though, because as 'SESSION' appears when doing request.keys() is pretty common to create sessions implicitly by iterating through the request. Yeah, explicit is better than implicit. I don't want to add this to Z3, but it should be included in the new combined z2/z3 request. We really need to take a look at the combined API and decide what we want in the long run. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:14:08PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: | Here's what is in the docstring for HTTPRequest: | | - Lazy Data | | These are callables which are deferred until explicitly | referenced, at which point they are resolved and stored as | application data. | | Haven't found much else documentation. | | Are these basically lazy computed request keys/attributes then? Yes. | There's a 'set_lazy' method in HTTPRequest, and that's what the | session machinery uses to bind 'getSessionData' as 'SESSION'. This | specific case sucks though, because as 'SESSION' appears when doing | request.keys() is pretty common to create sessions implicitly by | iterating through the request. | | Yeah, explicit is better than implicit. | | I don't want to add this to Z3, but it should be included in the | new combined z2/z3 request. We really need to take a look at the | combined API and decide what we want in the long run. So we are shooting for a z2 request implemented in terms of a z3 request. Sounds like an adapter to me :) -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems, LLC. http://enfoldsystems.com ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I don't expect other people for me to fix this for me, but I suggest that this be noted somewhere where it can be seen, because ZEO is quite important for us running larger sites. I would say ZEO is essential for all serious Zope work. I have to admit to being pretty suprised that neither Jim or Stefan have bumped into this... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 06:02, Chris Withers wrote: Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I don't expect other people for me to fix this for me, but I suggest that this be noted somewhere where it can be seen, because ZEO is quite important for us running larger sites. I would say ZEO is essential for all serious Zope work. I have to admit to being pretty suprised that neither Jim or Stefan have bumped into this... SchoolTool does not use ZEO, the installations are quite small, i.e. for schools with at most 5000 students. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 09 December 2005 06:02, Chris Withers wrote: Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I don't expect other people for me to fix this for me, but I suggest that this be noted somewhere where it can be seen, because ZEO is quite important for us running larger sites. I would say ZEO is essential for all serious Zope work. I have to admit to being pretty suprised that neither Jim or Stefan have bumped into this... SchoolTool does not use ZEO, the installations are quite small, i.e. for schools with at most 5000 students. OK. I fail to get your point, though (and I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything rude here). /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 07:59, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: SchoolTool does not use ZEO, the installations are quite small, i.e. for schools with at most 5000 students. OK. I fail to get your point, though (and I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything rude here). All I was saying is that SchoolTool is serious Zope 3 work and we are not using ZEO. You asserted that all serious Zope work would use ZEO. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 09 December 2005 07:59, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: SchoolTool does not use ZEO, the installations are quite small, i.e. for schools with at most 5000 students. OK. I fail to get your point, though (and I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything rude here). All I was saying is that SchoolTool is serious Zope 3 work and we are not using ZEO. You asserted that all serious Zope work would use ZEO. I did? I thought all I asked for was for ZEO-bits not to be forgotten in the flurr of development activity. Obviously that was a mistake, because I now find myself in counter-example-territory. Good for SchoolTool to be able to not use ZEO. I know my apps would not have been able to be succesfull without ZEO. I am sorry if I offended someone. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Stephan Richter wrote: I wonder whether a similar approach as the one taken for the Twisted server migration is possible. There, if you have an instance running on ZServer an upgrade will not cause the switch to Twisted, since your startup script still refers to the old server code. You explicitely have to change your startup script to start using Twisted. I think this is the way to go and a zope.conf option would be an ideal way of making the choice... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Thursday 08 December 2005 07:06, Sidnei da Silva wrote: Just one thing that struck me right now. ZServer uses medusa/asyncore and twisted has it's own 'main loop'. How do they play together in Zope 3? Or they dont? They don't. Either you use ZServer or you use Twisted, but not both. So if you want to use Twisted-specific packages, like the scheduler, you have to use twisted, otherwise you are out of luck. I think this is totally fine. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 08:18:49AM -0500, Stephan Richter wrote: | On Thursday 08 December 2005 07:06, Sidnei da Silva wrote: | Just one thing that struck me right now. ZServer uses medusa/asyncore | and twisted has it's own 'main loop'. How do they play together in | Zope 3? Or they dont? | | They don't. Either you use ZServer or you use Twisted, but not both. So if you | want to use Twisted-specific packages, like the scheduler, you have to use | twisted, otherwise you are out of luck. I think this is totally fine. What's the situation with ZEO then? The ZEO 'zrpc.client' uses ThreadedAsync.register_loop_callback(), which is a evil monkeypatch to asyncore. I haven't seen that change recently, so I assume this has been ignored? -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systems, LLC. http://enfoldsystems.com ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Thursday 08 December 2005 08:29, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 08:18:49AM -0500, Stephan Richter wrote: | On Thursday 08 December 2005 07:06, Sidnei da Silva wrote: | Just one thing that struck me right now. ZServer uses medusa/asyncore | and twisted has it's own 'main loop'. How do they play together in | Zope 3? Or they dont? | | They don't. Either you use ZServer or you use Twisted, but not both. So | if you want to use Twisted-specific packages, like the scheduler, you | have to use twisted, otherwise you are out of luck. I think this is | totally fine. What's the situation with ZEO then? The ZEO 'zrpc.client' uses ThreadedAsync.register_loop_callback(), which is a evil monkeypatch to asyncore. I haven't seen that change recently, so I assume this has been ignored? Yep. Nobody has complained to us about this yet. I personally do not use ZEO, so I could not fix the issue anyways. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 08 December 2005 08:29, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 08:18:49AM -0500, Stephan Richter wrote: | On Thursday 08 December 2005 07:06, Sidnei da Silva wrote: | Just one thing that struck me right now. ZServer uses medusa/asyncore | and twisted has it's own 'main loop'. How do they play together in | Zope 3? Or they dont? | | They don't. Either you use ZServer or you use Twisted, but not both. So | if you want to use Twisted-specific packages, like the scheduler, you | have to use twisted, otherwise you are out of luck. I think this is | totally fine. What's the situation with ZEO then? The ZEO 'zrpc.client' uses ThreadedAsync.register_loop_callback(), which is a evil monkeypatch to asyncore. I haven't seen that change recently, so I assume this has been ignored? Yep. Nobody has complained to us about this yet. I personally do not use ZEO, so I could not fix the issue anyways. I don't expect other people for me to fix this for me, but I suggest that this be noted somewhere where it can be seen, because ZEO is quite important for us running larger sites. Even though many people do not use ZEO themselves, when considering and comparing web-app frameworks, it is a major pro for Zope to be able to provide cluster capabilities out of the box. So the capability to use an alternative to ZServer for ZEO sites should, I suggest, be considered as a desirable future feature by ye Zope3 Gods. My 0.02 € /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 08 December 2005 08:29, Sidnei da Silva wrote: What's the situation with ZEO then? The ZEO 'zrpc.client' uses ThreadedAsync.register_loop_callback(), which is a evil monkeypatch to asyncore. I haven't seen that change recently, so I assume this has been ignored? Yep. Nobody has complained to us about this yet. I personally do not use ZEO, so I could not fix the issue anyways. I don't expect other people for me to fix this for me, but I suggest that this be noted somewhere where it can be seen, because ZEO is quite important for us running larger sites. Right, as far as I understand from this thread now ZEO and a straight install (not upgrade?) of Zope 3.2 don't work? That's rather a big change. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Jim Fulton wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: I wonder whether a similar approach as the one taken for the Twisted server migration is possible. There, if you have an instance running on ZServer an upgrade will not cause the switch to Twisted, since your startup script still refers to the old server code. You explicitely have to change your startup script to start using Twisted. I think this is the way to go and a zope.conf option would be an ideal way of making the choice... I'm not sure whether we're talking about the server or the publisher, True, I realized after posting this and thinking a bit that things got a bit muddled in this thread. I'm mostly concerned about the publisher. The server part I guess is easier to port, though I also suspect less of a gain on the short term. Hm, maybe you are talking about the publisher. :) Yes, I was. Sorry for the confusion. In which case, I expect this all to be controlled via adapters, so what you suggest should be possible. In any case, existing Zope 2 code should function as it does now without change. That would be good. I wonder how this interacts with things like error handling, though. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: ... Hm, maybe you are talking about the publisher. :) Yes, I was. Sorry for the confusion. I don't think it was anyone's fault. In which case, I expect this all to be controlled via adapters, so what you suggest should be possible. In any case, existing Zope 2 code should function as it does now without change. That would be good. I wonder how this interacts with things like error handling, though. I dunno. I guess we'll figure it out. I doubt it will be the biggest of our problems. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Jim Fulton wrote: The most important project here, IMO, is to rewire Zope 2 to use the Zope 3 publisher. And, of course, to update the Zope 3 publisher with features from the Zope 2 publisher that are missing from the Zope 3 publisher (e.g. streaming). +10 Please don't anyone write a new zope 2 publisher, lets just get the Zope 3 one to replace the Zope 2 one and keep bringing the two branches closer and closer together :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Tuesday 06 December 2005 19:56, Jim Fulton wrote: The most important project here, IMO, is to rewire Zope 2 to use the Zope 3 publisher. And, of course, to update the Zope 3 publisher with features from the Zope 2 publisher that are missing from the Zope 3 publisher (e.g. streaming). For those updates I would like to see proposals. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: The most important project here, IMO, is to rewire Zope 2 to use the Zope 3 publisher. And, of course, to update the Zope 3 publisher with features from the Zope 2 publisher that are missing from the Zope 3 publisher (e.g. streaming). +10 Please don't anyone write a new zope 2 publisher, lets just get the Zope 3 one to replace the Zope 2 one and keep bringing the two branches closer and closer together :-) I support any scenario where we can replace bits of Zope 2 with Zope 3. :) I think we'll see a scenario where old new will coexist for a while. The Zope 2 publisher has all kinds of wonderful cruft in it, and each bit of cruft is likely to be doing something useful for someone somewhere. For backwards compatibility reasons, we'll need to continue to support it for some time. That's a problem for WSGI, I guess, though, if the Zope 3 publisher is needed for WSGI support... Perhaps we can do something like from this point in my publication process, dive into the Zope 2 publisher, and forget about Zope 3 for now. Applications that rely on Zope 2 publisher features can have this toggled on. Then again, my understanding of the publisher model in both Zopes is definitely incomplete. What's your thinking concerning backward compatibility, Jim? Regards, Martijn ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Martijn Faassen wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: The most important project here, IMO, is to rewire Zope 2 to use the Zope 3 publisher. And, of course, to update the Zope 3 publisher with features from the Zope 2 publisher that are missing from the Zope 3 publisher (e.g. streaming). +10 Please don't anyone write a new zope 2 publisher, lets just get the Zope 3 one to replace the Zope 2 one and keep bringing the two branches closer and closer together :-) I support any scenario where we can replace bits of Zope 2 with Zope 3. :) I think we'll see a scenario where old new will coexist for a while. The Zope 2 publisher has all kinds of wonderful cruft in it, and each bit of cruft is likely to be doing something useful for someone somewhere. For backwards compatibility reasons, we'll need to continue to support it for some time. That's a problem for WSGI, I guess, though, if the Zope 3 publisher is needed for WSGI support... Perhaps we can do something like from this point in my publication process, dive into the Zope 2 publisher, and forget about Zope 3 for now. Applications that rely on Zope 2 publisher features can have this toggled on. Then again, my understanding of the publisher model in both Zopes is definitely incomplete. What's your thinking concerning backward compatibility, Jim? We need it. We also need a single publisher. We are (almost) at the beginning of a new development cycle. We should be ambitios and try to make it possible to use the Zope 3 puublisher in Zope 2 *and* provide backward compatibility. I'm not positive that it is possible, but I am extremely hopeful that it is and think it's worth a try. We need to start soon though and not wait until a month before the feature freeze. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 10:51, Martijn Faassen wrote: Agreed with Andreas. I also agree with Jim that it makes sense to be ambitious. I suspect we'll end up with a two-pronged approach -- introduce the Zope 3 publisher with as much backwards compatibility we can provide, but also make sure that the old publisher code (with *all* backwards compatibility) can be used if desired. I wonder whether a similar approach as the one taken for the Twisted server migration is possible. There, if you have an instance running on ZServer an upgrade will not cause the switch to Twisted, since your startup script still refers to the old server code. You explicitely have to change your startup script to start using Twisted. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Sidnei da Silva wrote: Hi there, There's a couple of mad brazilian pythoneers that might hang out together early in January in some hidden beach somewhere, and one of the proposed tasks for working on (of course, powered by caipirinha) was to take a stab at replacing Zope 2's ZServer/ZPublisher by Zope 3's Twisted/Publisher. I know the brave folks involved in the Zope 3 move-away from ZServer might have some interesting tips to share, so I hereby invite you to share your experience. Best I can tell, it should be pretty doable no? The key is to move to WSGI. Zope 3's publisher now uses WSGI and so does twisted. For HTTP, the Zope 3 pubisher isn't based on twisted, it is based on WSGI. There is twisted-specific glue for FTP. The most important project here, IMO, is to rewire Zope 2 to use the Zope 3 publisher. And, of course, to update the Zope 3 publisher with features from the Zope 2 publisher that are missing from the Zope 3 publisher (e.g. streaming). Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com