Re: [Zope3-dev] status of zc.page?

2005-06-17 Thread Jim Fulton

Martijn Faassen wrote:

Jim Fulton wrote:


Martijn Faassen wrote:


[snip]

* the snapshot is probably aging as bugs get discovered and fixed in 
your repository. Could you perhaps update the snapshot?


 
Sure.



Looking forward to the update, though we haven't found bugs yet in our 
experiments so far.


I'm note sure there have been changes since the last snapshot.


Initial feedback:

Overall: it's definitely an improvement above the ZCML directives!

We often need to build template specifically, just calling 
widgets/foo/render inside our own template that's completely particular 
to that form. This worked well, until I had to figure out how to render 
an action. I finally accomplished it by using 
view/actions/form.action.name/render, where 'name' is a lowercased from 
the one you put in the decorator and what will also appear on the button.


Hm.  I'll look at this.

This didn't feel ideal; the prefixing was hard to figure out initially 
(should at least be better documented), and basing the internal name on 
the displayed one doesn't feel right.


I'll look at this and at the documentation. Actions have a number of issues
and I'm not sure the doctests fully reflect them.  I want to take a look at this
and then provide a new snapshot.

Jim

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Re: [Zope3-dev] status of zc.page?

2005-06-16 Thread Jim Fulton

Martijn Faassen wrote:

Hi there,

Since we keep running into snags and frustrations with the zope.app.form 
package, we're checking out zc.page and see whether it could help us 
any. We're going to try using it today.


Great!


We have some concerns though:

* the snapshot is probably aging as bugs get discovered and fixed in 
your repository. Could you perhaps update the snapshot?


Sure.

* it requires Python 2.4.1. Zope 3.1 to my knowledge is targetting 
Python 2.3. It looks like it's fairly easy to rewrite the few decorators 
that are in the package itself so they work with Python 2.3 instead, but 
we don't want to maintain our own fork. Obviously we want to use this 
with Zope 3.1. Am I mistaken about the Python version targetted by Zope 
3.1?


No.  It supports Python 2.4 though.

 I'm rather confused that you're apparently using Python 2.4.1 for

internal Zope 3 projects.


Why?  Python 2.4 makes some things more convenient.

In partcicular, I really have come to like the new features in Zope 3.1
that let us declare adapted interfaces and to declare provided
implemented interfaces for functions.  The decorator syntax makes this
more readable.

Still, of course, for the bits we open source, I guess we are going to have
to port back to 2.3.  We're happy to do this if people start using zc.page.
We've gotten almost no feedback up until now.

Jim

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Re: [Zope3-dev] status of zc.page?

2005-06-16 Thread Martijn Faassen

Jim Fulton wrote:

Martijn Faassen wrote:


[snip]


We have some concerns though:

* the snapshot is probably aging as bugs get discovered and fixed in 
your repository. Could you perhaps update the snapshot?
 
Sure.


Okay, cool!

* it requires Python 2.4.1. Zope 3.1 to my knowledge is targetting 
Python 2.3. It looks like it's fairly easy to rewrite the few 
decorators that are in the package itself so they work with Python 2.3 
instead, but we don't want to maintain our own fork. Obviously we want 
to use this with Zope 3.1. Am I mistaken about the Python version 
targetted by Zope 3.1?


No.  It supports Python 2.4 though.


Ah, I didn't realize that this was the case. We should make sure that's 
announced when the 3.1 release is done.



  I'm rather confused that you're apparently using Python 2.4.1 for


internal Zope 3 projects.



Why?  Python 2.4 makes some things more convenient.


Sure, but I thought that Zope 3.1 only supported Python 2.3, not 2.4, so 
this was my first hint that Zope 3.1 actually is also aimed at 
supporting (but not requiring) Python 2.4.



In partcicular, I really have come to like the new features in Zope 3.1
that let us declare adapted interfaces and to declare provided
implemented interfaces for functions.  The decorator syntax makes this
more readable.

Still, of course, for the bits we open source, I guess we are going to have
to port back to 2.3.  We're happy to do this if people start using zc.page.
We've gotten almost no feedback up until now.


Well, there's no need if we just say that this bit requires a Zope 3.1 
running Python 2.4; why create extra work for ourselves? I just didn't 
realize that using Python 2.4 was possible or recommended, but since 
you're doing it on a project I guess there's no objection to doing so 
with our project either.


Regards,

Martijn
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Re: [Zope3-dev] status of zc.page?

2005-06-16 Thread Benji York

Jim Fulton wrote:
Still, of course, for the bits we open source, I guess we are going to 
have

to port back to 2.3.


Martijn Faassen wrote:
Well, there's no need if we just say that this bit requires a Zope 3.1 
running Python 2.4; why create extra work for ourselves? 


+1

Since 3.1 will run on 2.4 anyway, and zc.page won't be in 3.1 we 
should just say that zc.page requires 2.4.  If we get overwhelming 
interest in running it on 2.3, we (or a volunteer) will back port it.


And as a side effect Martijn will get to use the decorators the right 
way. :)

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