Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-09-01 Thread Jean Jordaan
Hi Chris >> If you still want an instance, yes. I don't particularly like instances >> as we've had them with Zope 2 and Zope 3 (they don't quite work in a >> WSGI environment). > > So what do you do instead? > How do people get a zope 3 project/application/whatever up and running? I'm also left

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-09-01 Thread Chris Withers
Paul Winkler wrote: >> That argument neglects to include people that don't cache eggs (for >> whatever reason) and people that need to build on a machine that may >> have never cached the egg in question (like deploying brand new >> servers). > > +99 > > Deleted releases can cause massive uninten

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-24 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 08:21:07AM -0400, Benji York wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That is getting a bit old. The confusion from having this cruft lying > > around (in the same way as accidentally released packages) is causing a > > lot more

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-22 Thread Fred Drake
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I heard people complaining a lot about find-links in setup.py files. Indeed; using those find-links (dependency-links?) leads to potentially using untrusted package sources unintentionally. Fortunately, buildout offers a

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-22 Thread Chris Withers
Marius Gedminas wrote: >>> At the *very* least it's take about 2 minutes for a package manager to >>> put a large "DO NOT USE - THIS IS ONLY HERE TO SUPPORT EXISTING SETUPS" >>> at the top of the text on pypi to stop innocent bystanders getting >>> caught out. > > That's a very good idea. It shou

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-22 Thread Chris Withers
Sebastien Douche wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 00:11, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Please don't remove things! Never ever. People might still be using them. >> That is getting a bit old. The confusion from having this cruft lying >> around (in the same way as accidentally release

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-20 Thread Chris Withers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> If you still want an instance, yes. I don't particularly like instances >>> as we've had them with Zope 2 and Zope 3 (they don't quite work in a >>> WSGI environment). >> So what do you do instead? >> How do people get a zope 3 project/application/whatever up and runnin

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-20 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:02:32AM +0200, Sebastien Douche wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 00:11, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Please don't remove things! Never ever. People might still be using them. > > > > That is getting a bit old. The confusion from having this cruft lying >

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-20 Thread Benji York
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: >> Please don't remove things! Never ever. People might still be using them. > > That is getting a bit old. The confusion from having this cruft lying > around (in the same way as accidental

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-20 Thread Christian Theune
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 23:11 +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: > >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.zope3recipes > >> > >> ? > > > > If you still want an instance, yes. I don't particularly like instances > > as we've had them with Zope 2 and Zope 3 (they don't quite wo

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-19 Thread Sebastien Douche
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 00:11, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Please don't remove things! Never ever. People might still be using them. > > That is getting a bit old. The confusion from having this cruft lying > around (in the same way as accidentally released packages) is causing a >

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-19 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.zope3recipes >> >> ? > > If you still want an instance, yes. I don't particularly like instances > as we've had them with Zope 2 and Zope 3 (they don't quite work in a > WSGI environment). So what do you do instead? How do peopl

Re: [Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-19 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: > Am I right in thinking that this is now the canonical way to get a "zope > 3 instance": > > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.zope3recipes > > ? If you still want an instance, yes. I don't particularly like instances as we've had them with Zope 2 and Zope 3 (they don't quit

[Zope3-Users] building zope 3 instances?

2008-08-19 Thread Chris Withers
Hi All, Am I right in thinking that this is now the canonical way to get a "zope 3 instance": http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.zope3recipes ? If so, could the owners of these packages hide, remove or otherwise document that they're out of date: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.recipe.zope3checko