Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Max M
Martin Aspeli wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:12:27 -, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, I feel very strongly that built Zope version 3 and nothing more or less. And I feel that a name change would betray me and my intentions. Well, Joel didn't suggest a name

[Zope3-Users] Forbidden Attribute errors whilst adapting to schema

2006-02-03 Thread Rupert Redington
Morning (if it is for you)... I've been trying to write an adapter which stores data submitted by a schema generated form into the annotations on an object. I've been guided in this by both Stephan's and Philipp's books (though neither provide an example of what I'm trying to do). My unit tests

Re: [Zope3-Users] Forbidden Attribute errors whilst adapting to schema

2006-02-03 Thread Dominik Huber
Rupert Redington wrote: adapter for=.interfaces.ILink provides=.interfaces.ILinkDetails factory=.link.LinkDetails trusted=True / if you use trusted adapters you have to declare an additional class or content directive for the adapter itself.: class

[Zope3-Users] Z3 widgets overview

2006-02-03 Thread Adam Groszer
Hello, I had some time to finalize the widgets overview. You can download it from here in various formats: http://www.zope.org/Members/adamg/widget -- Best regards, Adam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quote of the day: A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash

Re: [Zope3-Users] Forbidden Attribute errors whilst adapting to schema

2006-02-03 Thread Rupert Redington
Dominik Huber wrote: Rupert Redington wrote: adapter for=.interfaces.ILink provides=.interfaces.ILinkDetails factory=.link.LinkDetails trusted=True / if you use trusted adapters you have to declare an additional class or content directive for the adapter

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 2/2/06, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sense from the sprint is that developers here use Zope 3 on its technical merits and not its marketing ones. Which is why we should market those strengths better. On the name change idea, I think it's just gonna make things more confused.

Re: [Zope3-Users] Forbidden Attribute errors whilst adapting to schema

2006-02-03 Thread Dominik Huber
Rupert Redington wrote: Dominik Huber wrote: Rupert Redington wrote: adapter for=.interfaces.ILink provides=.interfaces.ILinkDetails factory=.link.LinkDetails trusted=True / if you use trusted adapters you have to declare an additional class or content

Re: [Zope3-Users] Z3 widgets overview

2006-02-03 Thread Martijn Faassen
Adam Groszer wrote: Hello, I had some time to finalize the widgets overview. You can download it from here in various formats: http://www.zope.org/Members/adamg/widget Wow, thanks, this looks really cool! Regards, Martijn ___ Zope3-users

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Alen Stanisic
On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 11:54 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote: On the name change idea, I think it's just gonna make things more confused. What, there is now Zope 2, Zope 3 AND Zope Zingo? I think the idea was Zope 3.2 Zingo, Zope 3.4 Bingo, not Zope Zingo :) This way it would be clear it is

Re: [Zope3-Users] Forbidden Attribute errors whilst adapting to schema

2006-02-03 Thread Rupert Redington
Dominik Huber wrote: I prefer the trusted adapter because they encapslulate the adapter inside a security proxy. Then the trusted adapter has full access to the underlying object. That simplifies the security story very much because you handle it on the adation level. If you use locatable

Re: [Zope3-Users] Forbidden Attribute errors whilst adapting to schema

2006-02-03 Thread Dominik Huber
Rupert Redington wrote: I prefer the trusted adapter because they encapslulate the adapter inside a security proxy. Then the trusted adapter has full access to the underlying object. That simplifies the security story very much because you handle it on the adation level. If you use locatable

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Tonico Strasser
Alen Stanisic wrote: On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 11:54 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote: On the name change idea, I think it's just gonna make things more confused. What, there is now Zope 2, Zope 3 AND Zope Zingo? I think the idea was Zope 3.2 Zingo, Zope 3.4 Bingo, not Zope Zingo :) This way it

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 2/3/06, Alen Stanisic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the idea was Zope 3.2 Zingo, Zope 3.4 Bingo, not Zope Zingo :) Well, all we do then is making funny release code names. That's not clarifying the difference between Zope 2 and Zope 3 at all... This way it would be clear it is Zope 3.

[Zope3-Users] Some thoughts about Z3 Books

2006-02-03 Thread Maik Ihde
Hi all I know Stephans Z3 Book in parts and have bought Philipp's Z3 Book this week and I am starting to dig into Z3 in the next weeks hopefully. One thing I noticed after some other people around - who are a step further on the Z3 Track - pointed this, is that both Z3 Books are writing about

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Maik Ihde
Does this make sense? It's only a small rebrand (and the Zope3 stays intact) and an assembly of components that already exist. Basically, you can use this occasion as a coming out party... Zope3 is here, and we're for real. YESSS! Zope3 - imho - has a really big marketing Problem at the

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Alec Munro
On 2/3/06, Tonico Strasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alen Stanisic wrote: On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 11:54 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote: On the name change idea, I think it's just gonna make things more confused. What, there is now Zope 2, Zope 3 AND Zope Zingo? I think the idea was Zope

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2/2/06, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sense from the sprint is that developers here use Zope 3 on its technical merits and not its marketing ones. Which is why we should market those strengths better. On the name change idea,

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2/3/06, Alen Stanisic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the idea was Zope 3.2 Zingo, Zope 3.4 Bingo, not Zope Zingo :) Well, all we do then is making funny release code names. That's not clarifying the difference between Zope 2 and Zope 3 at

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Reinoud van Leeuwen
On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 01:07:57PM +, Martin Aspeli wrote: Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not calling it Zope would be a mistake, but how about adding a qualifier to the name. Like microsoft did with Windows NT I think that's what the suggestion is all about. eg. Zope DR aka

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Behrang Dadsetan
On 2/3/06, Reinoud van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 01:07:57PM +, Martin Aspeli wrote: Zope-TNG (The Next Generation) springs up my mind. And it is a good description of what it is really about. The problem with TNG is how will you call the rewrite of Zope 3 ?

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But having a name that signifies that there is something a little more than a new major-version release going on here would go a long way in giving people something to fix their minds on. Not if that name changes with every release, becuase

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Maik Ihde
Not if that name changes with every release, becuase then people will see it as a release code name, because that's what it will be. Absolutely - we seem to be on the same page. :) The branding needs to be consistent and carried forward, until such time we refactor the whole thing

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Jim Washington
Martin Aspeli wrote: Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But having a name that signifies that there is something a little more than a new major-version release going on here would go a long way in giving people something to fix their minds on. Not if that name changes with

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Reinoud van Leeuwen reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net writes: On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 01:07:57PM +, Martin Aspeli wrote: Max M maxm at ... writes: Not calling it Zope would be a mistake, but how about adding a qualifier to the name. Like microsoft did with Windows NT I think

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Klaus Bremer
Ursprüngliche Nachricht Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:42:13 + von: Martin Aspeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] with an appropriate branding (e.g. a logo derived from the Zope logo and a new website to drum up excitement and get people started quickly). Both the Zope and 3 parts should stay in the picture.

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Benji York
Klaus Bremer wrote: Giving zope 3 an own website has the problem that some www.zope3.tlds are already owned by others. Resolving that problem would be a good task for the Foundation. BTW: zope3.org and zope3.com are owned by Zope Corp. and I would assume are being transfered to the

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Florent Guillaume
Florent Guillaume wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Zope 3.2 Zalza (how many more lame names can we come up with?) Zope 3 / Rebirth is the lame name I'd vote for :) Or Zope 3 / Renaissance, if french names are still trendy. Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) Director of RD

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Fri, Feb 03 17:24, Encolpe Degoute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zope 3 / Revolution ? well, how about Zope3, Reloaded for all the matrix fans out there? :) but seriously, imho an additional name part can add something, but it's by far not as important as a rather impressive web-site. i've

[Zope3-Users] How i can use SQLExpr in Five?

2006-02-03 Thread Paolo Cilmo
How i can use SQLExpr in Five? When i start zope2 i have this error: ConfigurationError: ('Unknown directive', u'http://namespaces.zope.org/tales', u'expressiontype') Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi, antispam, antivirus, POP3___ Zope3-users

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Shane Hathaway
Andreas Zeidler wrote: On Fri, Feb 03 17:24, Encolpe Degoute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zope 3 / Revolution ? well, how about Zope3, Reloaded for all the matrix fans out there? :) The idea of release code names adds a little spice. Most people like spices on their food, so why not on

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope3-dev] Z3 widgets overview

2006-02-03 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 03 February 2006 05:32, Adam Groszer wrote: I had some time to finalize the widgets overview. You can download it from here in various formats:   http://www.zope.org/Members/adamg/widget Adam, I am glad you did this overview. spanky of the Plone development team has created a

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Miklós Prisznyák
(how many more lame names can we come up with?)Zope 3 / Rebirth is the lame name I'd vote for :) Florent Hm, Zope 3 / Renassaince sounds posh :-) and it's also a good excercise in spelling :p (except for the French-speaking like yourself) Regards, Miklós -- Miklós

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Jim Fulton
Jegenye 2001 Bt (Miklós Prisznyák) wrote: (how many more lame names can we come up with?) Zope 3 / Rebirth is the lame name I'd vote for :) Florent Hm, Zope 3 / Renassaince sounds posh :-) and it's also a good excercise in spelling :p (except for the French-speaking like

Re: [Zope3-Users] Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Joel Moxley
The Zope Foundation, which is probably coming pretty darn soon, might help catalyze contributors a bit. It will own the zope3.org domain, the zope.org domain, and probably lots more, and all of the software. But before or after the foundation, I think small steps are more likely to succeed

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 03 February 2006 08:25, Maik Ihde wrote: Would you also feel betrayed if there is - as many people here suggest - just an addition to Zope 3 [no I *won't* add another lame name ;-)] ? Zope 3 imho is far more than just a new version. But it still ist ZOPE. :) Look, make it a proposal

Re: [Zope3-Users] Some thoughts about Z3 Books

2006-02-03 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 03 February 2006 05:57, Maik Ihde wrote: Stephan / Philipp, what do you think of this idea, could you imagine that you might create an (paid) online book, based on your work? Yes, I could update the online version and then port the book text and code to 3.2 or 3.3, probably the

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 03 February 2006 05:38, Maik Ihde wrote: So what can we do about it? I think conducting interviews with people developing pure Zope 3 applications and Five based applications would help. I can provide you with an initial list of people, if you like. Pull out a Website about Z3 in a

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 03 February 2006 08:48, Jim Washington wrote: The vision includes a new trademarked tagline (Invent the Future) and a new logo incorporating the tagline. http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2006itemno=53 We could do something similar: Zope 3: Excellence in Web Component

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Paul Everitt
I vote for Joel as Omnipotent Message Autocrat. Man, this is the most fun we've had around here in a while. Joel, I agree a lot with your points. A whole lot. I'll add to your list some other things, but that's a useless quibble. I also think the OS X Tiger codename thing could pay off,

[Zope3-Users] Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages on zope.org

2006-02-03 Thread Gary Poster
Zope Corp has released nine new packages as standalone Zope 3 projects on zope.org. Three are completely new to the zope.org repository, and six were previously part of the zc Sandbox on zope.org. These three packages are brand new to zope.org. zc.shortcut Our (second) take on the

[Zope3-Users] Re: Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages on zope.org

2006-02-03 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: Zope Corp has released nine new packages as standalone Zope 3 projects on zope.org. Three are completely new to the zope.org repository, and six were previously part of the zc Sandbox on zope.org. These three packages are

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages on zope.org

2006-02-03 Thread Chris McDonough
Kudos for releasing these packages -- they all look interesting and potentially useful. Agreed, bravo!! - C ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users

Re: [Zope3-Users] Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 3, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Joel Moxley wrote: [...] Overall, I think the time has come for communication of Zope 3 identity to move hand in hand with development. This was a great post. I want it go someplace, and I want you to be involved in getting it there. :-) Those were some fun,

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Jeff Shell
On 2/3/06, Graham Stratton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: Not if that name changes with every release, becuase then people will see it as a release code name, because that's what it will be. I agree. Personally I don't think this name change/extension is necessary. We've

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages on zope.org

2006-02-03 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 02:42:42PM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: Kudos for releasing these packages -- they all look interesting and potentially useful. Agreed, bravo!! And there was much rejoicing. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___

[Zope3-Users] Sum of Decimals

2006-02-03 Thread Garanin Michael
Hello! My content object A has attributes 'cost' 'tax' - Decimal (from decimal). I try: A.cost + A.tax --- security error '+' method for Decimal-class. I solve problem by 'zope.proxy.removeAllProxies' , but i think it's

[Zope3-Users] How To Solve in Zope 3

2006-02-03 Thread David Johnson
I have a situation in which I have 3 different classes: Networks, IPAddress, Host, that map out an intranet. Of course Networks can contain 0* IPAddress And Of course a Host can contain 0* IPAddress There will exist the situation in which some hosts will have IP addresses on

[Zope3-Users] Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Alexander Limi
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:16:56 -0800, Joel Moxley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip / Zope 3, the Chuck Norris release. I like it. ;) -- _ Alexander Limi · Chief Architect · Plone Solutions · Norway Consulting · Training ·

[Zope3-Users] Re: Re: Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

2006-02-03 Thread Alexander Limi
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:17:49 -0800, Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW: zope3.org and zope3.com are owned by Zope Corp. and I would assume are being transfered to the Foundation. zope3.net and zope3.info appear to be controlled by (different) domain squatters. ICANN mediation would

Re: [Zope3-Users] How To Solve in Zope 3

2006-02-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 3, 2006, at 9:32 PM, matt wilbert wrote: I have exactly the same situation, as I am writing a network management tool. I am using one big container and a local catalog. Then you can slice and dice as best suits you. I also think it is more extensible if you ever think you might

Re: [Zope3-Users] How To Solve in Zope 3

2006-02-03 Thread Jeff Shell
On 2/3/06, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 3, 2006, at 9:32 PM, matt wilbert wrote: I have exactly the same situation, as I am writing a network management tool. I am using one big container and a local catalog. Then you can slice and dice as best suits you. I also think it