Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Andreas Jung



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Hey All,

I need a little time tracking app so I thought I'd knock it up in Zope 3
with a ZODB backing, just to check on the latest and greatest way to
build a Zope 3 app.

So, what *is* the standard way now and where can I read about how to do
it?



GROK?

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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Chris Withers

Andreas Jung wrote:



I need a little time tracking app so I thought I'd knock it up in Zope 3
with a ZODB backing, just to check on the latest and greatest way to
build a Zope 3 app.

So, what *is* the standard way now and where can I read about how to do
it?



GROK?


I *do* want ot try grok at some point, but not necessarily for this 
project...


I was talking about normal, straight Zoep 3 here...

Chris

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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 22 Sep 2007, at 14:11, Chris Withers wrote:


Andreas Jung wrote:
I need a little time tracking app so I thought I'd knock it up in  
Zope 3

with a ZODB backing, just to check on the latest and greatest way to
build a Zope 3 app.

So, what *is* the standard way now and where can I read about  
how to do

it?


GROK?


I *do* want ot try grok at some point, but not necessarily for this  
project...


I was talking about normal, straight Zoep 3 here...


Look at Phillip's book?

jens



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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Chris Withers

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

I was talking about normal, straight Zoep 3 here...


Look at Phillip's book?


I suspect even the 2nd edition of that is out of date w.r.t. current 
practice, hence why I'm asking on the list ;-)


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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 22 Sep 2007, at 14:25, Chris Withers wrote:


Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

I was talking about normal, straight Zoep 3 here...

Look at Phillip's book?


I suspect even the 2nd edition of that is out of date w.r.t.  
current practice, hence why I'm asking on the list ;-)


I don't think that's the case.

jens


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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Benji York

Chris Withers wrote:
So, what *is* the standard way now and where can I read about how to 
do it?


That's in flux at the moment.  I think Philipp's zopeproject is a step 
in the right direction, but haven't had a chance to look at it closely yet.


I've put up the basic buildout I use when starting projects at 
svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Sandbox/benji/zope3-from-eggs. You should 
be able to check that out, run bootstrap.py, bin/buildout, then use 
bin/ctl start to start ZEO and Zope.


You'll want to change some values in setup.py and buildout.cfg for your 
project (package name, etc.).

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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Chris Withers

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
I suspect even the 2nd edition of that is out of date w.r.t. current 
practice, hence why I'm asking on the list ;-)


I don't think that's the case.


I'm pretty sure the full move to eggs along with the introduction of 
buildout and the recipe-based stuff has happened since the book came out...


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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Chris Withers

Benji York wrote:

Chris Withers wrote:
So, what *is* the standard way now and where can I read about how to 
do it?


That's in flux at the moment.  I think Philipp's zopeproject is a step 
in the right direction, but haven't had a chance to look at it closely yet.


Where's zopeproject's home?

Chris

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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Jim Washington
Chris Withers wrote:
 Benji York wrote:
 Chris Withers wrote:
 So, what *is* the standard way now and where can I read about how
 to do it?

 That's in flux at the moment.  I think Philipp's zopeproject is a
 step in the right direction, but haven't had a chance to look at it
 closely yet.

 Where's zopeproject's home?

 Chris

Start at pypi (cheeseshop). You easy_install it.

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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread David Pratt
Hi Chris. Phillip has put together a zopeproject package to give folks a 
start, you may want to check this out. Best advice is to study the 
sources for the patterns prevalent in zope packages - they are your best 
guide to see how pretty much anything modern is done. There is plenty of 
supplemental reading in the doc tests.  My recommendation for skins and 
layers is to use providers including viewlets and pagelets working with 
Minimal or PageletBrowser layers. These integrate well with the 
excellent form packages that Stephan has created. Lastly, get 
comfortable with zc.buildout to manage the resources for your 
application and configuration. Hope that helps.


Regards,
David


Chris Withers wrote:

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

I was talking about normal, straight Zoep 3 here...


Look at Phillip's book?


I suspect even the 2nd edition of that is out of date w.r.t. current 
practice, hence why I'm asking on the list ;-)


Chris


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Re: [Zope3-Users] best way to get started nowadays?

2007-09-22 Thread Stephan Richter
On Saturday 22 September 2007 08:28, Benji York wrote:
 Chris Withers wrote:
  So, what *is* the standard way now and where can I read about how to
  do it?

 That's in flux at the moment.  I think Philipp's zopeproject is a step
 in the right direction, but haven't had a chance to look at it closely yet.

You can also look at z3c.formdemo and some other packages, as they will build 
a full system for you. You can use it as a start.

  $ svn co svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/z3c.formdemo/tags/1.4.0 formdemo
  $ cd formdemo
  $ python bootstrap.py
  $ ./bin/buildout -v
  $ ./bin/demo fg

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