[Zope] Re: a binary of zope for debian

2005-12-21 Thread Maik Ihde
adeline nombre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi. it's me again. I'm in trouble. Can somebody tell me where to fin a binary of zope for debian which can be run with python2.3. ? thank you very much If you want an actual Zope version you will need to install it from source, which is very easy

[Zope] FTP rights problem

2005-12-21 Thread Martin Koekenberg
Hello, When a user connects with FTP to a Zope folder with only rights onthat subfolder he can'tcreate a folder or delete files.He hasthe Manager role and all the rights. Is this a bug or doI have to give this user Manager rights to the root of the zope instance ? Or is there an other

Re: [Zope] Zope, Apache, REMOTE_USER

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
I think you missed the point. The main reason to ditch it is the fact that there is no one who is willing and able to support the code for it in Zope. Just because someone comes up with a combination where FCGI might have a benefit still does not give us a developer to support it. jens

Re: [Zope] question for anyone using apache on windows

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
I'm sure there's an Apache list you could be asking these questions, this has nothing to do with Zope. #apache on irc.freenode.net is where I'd go ;-) Chris michael nt milne wrote: Hi Ok so I looked at this stuff but can't find anything listed for point 3. Also I had to set Plone to listen

[Zope] zope db question

2005-12-21 Thread José Carlos Senciales Chaves
Hi Iam new phyton and zope programmer. Ihave to make a product for zope and i must use a list of groups with a lot of data. I´m wondering if i must to use a list of persistent objects or if it´s better use a database like gadfly with tables or another one. I´m a little confuse. I

Re: [Zope] error installing zope from source

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Pieters
On 12/20/05, adeline nombre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem now is that when I do make there is this error message: does not find file /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile . And when I look in /usr/lib/python2.3/ , there is no directory config. I have python2.3. my OS is debian sarge.

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Maciej Wisniowski
There are two distinct sections to the navigation_box transaction. One where the session variables are read and a second where they are used. To minimize conflicts, the what is now a single tranaction should be split into two separate transactions. Any thought as to how to do that? If

Re: [Zope] zope db question

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 11:09:14 +0100 José Carlos Senciales Chaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am new phyton and zope programmer. I have to make a product for zope and i must use a list of groups with a lot of data. I´m wondering if i must to use a list of persistent objects or if it´s

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Write conflicts happen for a transaction. In Zope, there is one transaction per request. There are two distinct sections to the navigation_box transaction. There's a transaction for something named navigation_box? Is this an IFRAME? One where the session variables are read and a

[Zope] Re: zope db question

2005-12-21 Thread Rocky Burt
Hi José, If you're learning how to use Zope then it'd be best (imho) for you to learn how to do it with the ZODB (this is the 'default' way to store data persistently in Zope). Later on if you have a specific reason to put this in a relational database (please, don't use gadfly) then it'll be

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
Dennis Allison wrote: Ah so desu. That's the conceptual hook I was missing. Only one transaction per request and no subtransactions! ZODB substransactions won't help you here in the slightest... A transaction is processing initiated by a client request or a redirect. (Anything else?) A

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Dennis Allison wrote: Thanks again Chris for the helpful comments. The navigation_box, in this context is just a table which is rendered into a frame in our standard frameset. It is not an iframe. So you do use frames! That's a huge clue. I wish I didn't feel

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Dennis Allison wrote: Chris, You asked about frames a while back and I responded in the affirmative. I am sure I mentioned that we use frames and framesets and explained that we use a bit of Javascript to manage loading individual frames rather than

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Dennis Allison
Chris W, The issue here has had to do with session variables and their iteraction with the persistence mechanism and conflicts and multiple threads for the same session. Chris McDonough has pointed out that session variables can cause writes and write conflicts even if the only Zope level

[Zope] Zope/CMF developer required

2005-12-21 Thread FAIRS, Dan, FM
Hi, The Royal Bank of Scotland is looking to recruit a contract developer to join the Corporate Markets Content Management System development team. The successful candidate will meet or exceed the following requirements: - 3 years experience developing with Python, Zope and the CMF - 3 years

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Dec 21, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Dennis Allison wrote: Chris W, The issue here has had to do with session variables and their iteraction with the persistence mechanism and conflicts and multiple threads for the same session. Chris McDonough has pointed out that session variables can cause

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Dennis Allison
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Chris McDonough wrote: On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Dennis Allison wrote: Chris, You asked about frames a while back and I responded in the affirmative. I am sure I mentioned that we use frames and framesets and explained that we use a bit of

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Michael Dunstan
On 12/22/05, Dennis Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue here has had to do with session variables and their iteraction with the persistence mechanism and conflicts and multiple threads for the same session. Chris McDonough has pointed out that session variables can cause writes and

Re: [Zope] How to make good architecture in Zope2?

2005-12-21 Thread Roman Suzi
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 12/20/05, Roman Suzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets suppose that I've done OO Analysis and have a dozen of nice classes which model my problem domain. Lets also suppose that I did it on the basis of known use cases. Now I want to build Web application fulfilling

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Dec 21, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Dennis Allison wrote: Sorry if I appeared unresponsive--the fact that we use frames is hardly a secret. I suppose that it would be helpful to make up soem summary of features for ongoing threads like this one. It was a secret to me (again, perhaps because of

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Dennis Allison
Michael -- You raise an interesting point. We use sessions to hold the volatile state for each user in a highly interactive, highly personalized site. A session lasts from login until logout or until there has been no activity for a long time. Perhaps, if I were to simply excise the session

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
On Dec 21, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Dennis Allison wrote: I have begun to think that the Zope session variable mechanism, as implemented, addresses a different part of the storage spectrum than we need. A small number of per user parameters (3 to 10) are used by almost every request. Most of the

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Maciej Wisniowski
The missing detail here is that reading a session object causes a write to the database to update the last access time for that session object. So what looks like a plain old read to the application code above, in-fact includes a write just below the surface. (This is a design choice so that

Re: [Zope] More on understanding conflicts

2005-12-21 Thread Dennis Allison
The side effect is that sessions will live longer than the specified period, up to 300 seconds longer if session-resolution-seconds is set to 30 seconds. In my case, setting it higher helps, b ut does not eliminate the problems. On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Maciej Wisniowski wrote: The missing

Re: [Zope] apache open proxy configuration problem

2005-12-21 Thread Ed Colmar
Hey All.. I'm following up on this thread after lots of different configuration attempts, reinstalling apache2 from source, more configuration attempts, banging my head against the wall, and endless troubleshooting.. Unfortuantely I am still failing to configure this correctly. Thankfully

Re: [Zope] apache open proxy configuration problem

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 23:09, Ed Colmar wrote: Hey All.. I'm following up on this thread after lots of different configuration attempts, reinstalling apache2 from source, more configuration attempts, banging my head against the wall, and endless troubleshooting.. Unfortuantely I am still

Re: [Zope] apache open proxy configuration problem

2005-12-21 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Ed Colmar schrieb: Hey All.. I'm following up on this thread after lots of different configuration attempts, reinstalling apache2 from source, more configuration attempts, banging my head against the wall, and endless troubleshooting.. Unfortuantely I am still failing to configure this

[Zope] [ANN] jsonserver 1.1.pre2 released (AJAX)

2005-12-21 Thread Balazs Ree
Jsonserver provides an alternative way of AJAX client-server communication on Zope. Jsonserver enables Zope to act as a JSON-RPC server. JSON-RPC is an XML-RPC replacement. It is built on JSON, a javascript based data interchange format. JSON has bindings for more languages. On the client side,

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope/ Switched to a more recent testrunner.

2005-12-21 Thread Florent Guillaume
Log message for revision 40944: Switched to a more recent testrunner. Changed: _U Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope/ -=- Property changes on: Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope ___ Name: svn:externals - app -r 40688

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/Zope-2_8-branch/doc/CHANGES.txt - Update with Mark's comments:

2005-12-21 Thread Sidnei da Silva
Log message for revision 40948: - Update with Mark's comments: Problem is that a service/pythonw.exe process *always* has an invalid sys.stdout. But due to the magic of buffering, small print statements would not fail - but once the file actually

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ - Collector #1939: When running as a service, Zope could

2005-12-21 Thread Sidnei da Silva
Log message for revision 40950: - Collector #1939: When running as a service, Zope could potentially collect too much log output filling the NT Event Log. When that happened, a 'print' during exception handling would cause an IOError in the restart code

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/2.9/ - Collector #1939: When running as a service, Zope could

2005-12-21 Thread Sidnei da Silva
Log message for revision 40951: - Collector #1939: When running as a service, Zope could potentially collect too much log output filling the NT Event Log. When that happened, a 'print' during exception handling would cause an IOError in the restart code

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/ Create a merge branch for clock server work.

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Log message for revision 40953: Create a merge branch for clock server work. Changed: A Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/ -=- Copied: Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge (from rev 40952, Zope/trunk) ___ Zope-Checkins maillist -

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZPublisher/ fixes + more tests (Stefan Holek)

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
Log message for revision 40954: fixes + more tests (Stefan Holek) Changed: U Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py U Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZPublisher/tests/testHTTPResponse.py -=- Modified: Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZPublisher/tests/testHTTPResponse.py more tests

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
Log message for revision 40955: more tests Changed: U Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZPublisher/tests/testHTTPResponse.py -=- Modified: Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZPublisher/tests/testHTTPResponse.py === ---

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/ZPublisher/ more tests and fixes

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
Log message for revision 40956: more tests and fixes Changed: U Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py U Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/ZPublisher/tests/testHTTPResponse.py -=- Modified: Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/ Add clock server feature.

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Log message for revision 40957: Add clock server feature. Changed: U Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/doc/CHANGES.txt A Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/lib/python/ZServer/ClockServer.py U Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/lib/python/ZServer/component.xml U

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/zopedoctest/ Content-Type header now contains a charset.

2005-12-21 Thread Stefan H. Holek
Log message for revision 40959: Content-Type header now contains a charset. Changed: U Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/zopedoctest/FunctionalDocTest.txt U Zope/branches/2.9/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/zopedoctest/testFunctionalDocTest.py -=- Modified:

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/zopedoctest/ Merged Zope-2_9-branch r40958:40959 into the trunk.

2005-12-21 Thread Stefan H. Holek
Log message for revision 40960: Merged Zope-2_9-branch r40958:40959 into the trunk. (Content-Type header now contains a charset.) Changed: U Zope/trunk/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/zopedoctest/FunctionalDocTest.txt U

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/lib/python/ZServer/tests/test_c Fix test breakage caused by a nonuptodate test_config in initial branch.

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Log message for revision 40961: Fix test breakage caused by a nonuptodate test_config in initial branch. Changed: U Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/lib/python/ZServer/tests/test_clockserver.py U Zope/branches/chrism-clockserver-merge/lib/python/ZServer/tests/test_config.py

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge chrism-clockserver-merge branch into HEAD.

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Log message for revision 40962: Merge chrism-clockserver-merge branch into HEAD. Changed: U Zope/trunk/doc/CHANGES.txt A Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZServer/ClockServer.py U Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZServer/component.xml U Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZServer/datatypes.py A

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZServer/ I have so made a hash out of this merge from the chrism-clockserver-merge branch. I have no idea what I'm doing, clearly. But this checkin gets us t

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Log message for revision 40964: I have so made a hash out of this merge from the chrism-clockserver-merge branch. I have no idea what I'm doing, clearly. But this checkin gets us to the place I intended originally. Changed: U Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZServer/ClockServer.py U

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ HTTPResponse: for XML content the encoding specified within

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
Log message for revision 40965: HTTPResponse: for XML content the encoding specified within the XML preamble is adjusted to the real encoding of the content as specified through the 'charset' within the content-type property. Changed: U Zope/trunk/doc/CHANGES.txt U

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZServer/ClockServer.py Fix breakage on Windows due to misuse of os.path (use posixpath instead).

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Log message for revision 40966: Fix breakage on Windows due to misuse of os.path (use posixpath instead). Changed: U Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZServer/ClockServer.py -=- Modified: Zope/trunk/lib/python/ZServer/ClockServer.py

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/Zope-2_8-branch/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/testZODBCompat.py Added two more tests for transaction.abort().

2005-12-21 Thread Stefan H. Holek
Log message for revision 40967: Added two more tests for transaction.abort(). Changed: U Zope/branches/Zope-2_8-branch/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/testZODBCompat.py -=- Modified: Zope/branches/Zope-2_8-branch/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/testZODBCompat.py

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope/ update to latest Z3 trunk

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
Log message for revision 40971: update to latest Z3 trunk Changed: _U Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope/ -=- Property changes on: Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope ___ Name: svn:externals - app -r 40688

[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope/ updated to latest Z3 trunk

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
Log message for revision 40972: updated to latest Z3 trunk Changed: _U Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope/ -=- Property changes on: Zope/trunk/lib/python/zope ___ Name: svn:externals - app -r 40759

Re: [Zope-dev] [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: - HelpSys - from a programmers view pretty much useless and not very helpful. I consider to replace it with something more useful (not sure we can re-use apidoc from Zope 3 in some way, perhaps the inclusion of Dieter's Docfinder might be more useful for programmers)

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2390 Blamelist: andreasjung,anguenot,efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

[Zope-dev] Zope tests: 7 OK, 1 Failed

2005-12-21 Thread Zope tests summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Tue Dec 20 12:01:02 2005 UTC to Wed Dec 21 12:01:02 2005 UTC. There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Unit Tests. Test failures - Subject: FAILED (errors=1) : Zope-2_7-branch Python-2.4.2 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2391 Blamelist: andreasjung,anguenot,efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2397 Blamelist: efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2398 Blamelist: efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

[Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Florent Guillaume
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2398 Blamelist: efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test FYI test output is:

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed failed slave lost sincerely, -The

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2402 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed failed slave lost sincerely, -The Buildbot

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Jim Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:08, Jim Fulton wrote: Sounds good. I'll announce that the repo will be down for

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
Does that mean you're doing it? All necessary RPMs are on the box at / root/svnupgrade/. Otherwise I can do it tomorrow morning (about 5 AM EST) jens On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:08, Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Max M
Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, - Gadfly(DA) - do we really need this? We discussed this already. In my opinion the purpose of Gadfly is only educational but nothing that one really needs or uses for production. It could be removed and made available for download on zope.org. -1 From time

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Done Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540)

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Does that mean you're doing it? All necessary RPMs are on the box at / root/svnupgrade/. Otherwise I can do it tomorrow morning (about 5 AM EST) Yes, already done. They are also available in my home directory. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Done Great. I can see http://svn.zope.org works just fine. With

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2409 Blamelist: chrism BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope-Dev

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by 'tim': try this bbwin build by itself Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed test

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 17:10:19 +0100 Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. I mentioned to make it available as

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2411 Blamelist: chrism BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 08:51, Stefan H. Holek wrote: On 18. Dez 2005, at 17:58, Tim Peters wrote: Nobody should be installing from a checkout to begin with, right? Ok, so that's probably where we disagree then ;-) I almost exclusively work with checkouts, and I would

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: I agree. I am also not happy with that. Unfortunately I have currently no clue how to solve this issue (no idea about zpkg). WHat you can do is the following: - copy the checkout to the location where your software home should be - run configure; make inplace; make

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: I didn't receive any feedback on zope-general, but it could just be a problem with my environment that fails silently. Can anyone confirm that this isn't pilot error before I file a bug? Thanks. From the thread, it's not a pilot error, so could you please file a bug if

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 08:51, Stefan H. Holek wrote: On 18. Dez 2005, at 17:58, Tim Peters wrote: Nobody should be installing from a checkout to begin with, right? Ok, so that's probably where we disagree then ;-) I almost exclusively work with

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:47 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. I

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Andrew Sawyers wrote: On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:47 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the

[Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
I'd like to step back and see if we can agree on what is driving the desire for make install. I'll note that one reason is that it worked this way before, but I don't think that that is a good enough reason to delay the release. I'll note one use case: - A Zope deployer wants to deploy an

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Tim Peters
[Florent Guillaume] FYI test output is: ... 'zope[.]app[.])' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. program finished with exit code 255 That was due to an ill-formed command line, which Jim repaired this morning. Zope trunk and Zope 2.9 branch

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2412 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 18:47, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. IMHO it is an

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 19:35:35 + Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would even lead to major annoyance where I work right now, just to give a real life example. For

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

Re: [Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?

2005-12-21 Thread Leonardo Rochael Almeida
Just as a data point. A lot of autoconf projects (the ones that made ./configure; make; make install famous) don't just run like that from a checkout, but they are never more than 2 steps away from that. The process for a checkout is usually more like ./autoconf; ./automake; ./configure; make;

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Peters] ... Failure in test test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access (AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests) Traceback (most recent call last): File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run testMethod() File

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Rocky Burt
Max M wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core. It is extraordinarilly

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Hmmm... I *think* I just fixed this. On Dec 21, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Tim Peters wrote: [Tim Peters] ... Failure in test test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access (AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests) Traceback (most recent call last): File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py,

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed failed slave lost sincerely, -The Buildbot

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Sawyers
This has been my approach also. Not surprisingly, many of us worked on these processes together and have 'sanitized them' over time. :) There has always been 'another side' who either hasn't liked this procedure or the 'make' voodoo and have come up with their own, or just haven't had to do

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Peters] ... That was the problem. Turns out `bbwin` does have a compiler, but the buildbot recipe didn't use it. After Jim fixed that, we have another Windows-specific failure, in new code from ChrisM (this is on Zope trunk, of course): Failure in test test_get_env

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZPublisher] specifiying 'charset' for the content-type header

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: The following usecase is not handled correctly by Zope: When you call a PythonScript returning a Python unicode string then the ZPublisher/HTTPResponse code will convert the unicode response string using HTTPResponse.default_encoding to a Python string. The default

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: IMHO it is an important requirement. We're inviting a hailstorm of questions and annoyed users by breaking this well-known routine for checkouts. I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys for a Zope user? I can't recall clicking on top frame of the ZMI or a 'Help!' link in the past few years, either. Perhaps an equivalent or greater benefit would be to rip out

Re: [Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?

2005-12-21 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/21/05, Leonardo Rochael Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is: I don't think there's anything wrong in the install procedure being different between the checkout and the tarball, but it should never take more than a couple of fixed (and documented) steps to convert a checkout to a

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZPublisher] specifiying 'charset' for the content-type header

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 18:07:49 + Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How will Zope know when _not_ to add the content-type header? Makes no sense to me. Either the application set the content-type header or Zope does it for you. Check HTTPResponse.py. How will Zope tell if the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 17:23:26 -0330 Rocky Burt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core. It is extraordinarilly functional and has few requirements. I particularly like using it to ensure unit tests against RDBMS connections work

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2419 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

Re: [Zope-dev] [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I've never met ppl who actually used the HelpSys so that's why I am raising the question about the value of the HelpSys. Lots of my co-workers work with Zope on different levels (scripters, product developers)...I've always pointed them to the Zope

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2419 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 21 Dec 2005, at 18:47, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I