Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-16 Thread Nicolas Georgakopoulos
Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 14:29 +0100, Garito wrote: I thing DTML and ZClasses will disapear someday You think, I hope :-) I beg ;-) . ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-16 Thread garry
Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote: Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 14:29 +0100, Garito wrote: I thing DTML and ZClasses will disapear someday You think, I hope :-) I beg ;-) . ___ Can someone explain why there is

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-16 Thread Greg Fischer
I took part in an old thread from here from several months ago:http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/users/184052?do=post_view_threaded In there, some of the prominent members from this list came up with some great points on the DTML vs ZPT thing. All great stuff. However, I agree with you.

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-16 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Greg Fischer schrieb: ... I like what you said, be tolerant. Some of us don't see the limitations of DTML as something that is broken, or that it is not good. I don't I see we have to improve teaching. think there is anything wrong with ZPT either, I simply don't have a use for it.

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-16 Thread Greg Fischer
>From Tino: --No matter if DTML is still there (and it will) we shouldfind better ways to teach people how to easy develope inZope.--Yes, you are right on all you mention. I didn't know PT was available in other environments/languages. Interesting. However, I still don't want to use them. Doesn't

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-15 Thread Rakotomandimby Mihamina
On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 14:29 +0100, Garito wrote: I thing DTML and ZClasses will disapear someday You think, I hope :-) -- A powerfull GroupWare, CMS, CRM, ECM: CPS (Open Source GPL). Opengroupware, SPIP, Plone, PhpBB, JetSpeed... are good: CPS is better. http://www.cps-project.org for

Re: [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 10.41/04.00] Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-09 Thread Garito
could fade into happy history. Just my 1-1/2 cents. Jonathan - Original Message - *From:* Greg Fischer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* zope@zope.org mailto:zope@zope.org *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:06 PM *Subject:* Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-09 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 9 Jan 2006, at 13:29, Garito wrote: 13 KB deleted Please clean up the subject line to remove your spam filter's markings before you reply. And don't quote a whole long discussion including countless message footers only to add one line to the bottom. Thanks! jens

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-08 Thread Greg Fischer
Yes, we need hype! And a hot looking site, WITH Web 2.0 features. Many of these frameworks are providing AJAX capabilities, simple graphics and data/object access without page reloads. (like I am using with Dojo right now) What does Zope not provide these features built-in? And yes, about the

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-08 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Greg Fischer wrote: Yes, we need hype! And a hot looking site, WITH Web 2.0 features. Many of these frameworks are providing AJAX capabilities, simple graphics and data/object access without page reloads. (like I am using with Dojo right now) What does Zope not provide these features

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-08 Thread Jonathan
my 1-1/2 cents. Jonathan - Original Message - From: Greg Fischer Cc: zope@zope.org Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now! Yes, we need hype! And a "hot" looking site, WITH Web 2.0 feat

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-08 Thread David H
Jonathan wrote: To pour fuel on the flames...   +1 DTML -1 ZPT   Why...   1) For 'quick and dirty' demos and rapid application prototyping DTML does the trick (yes, even including ZClasses), it is fast, easy, reasonably robust and it works!   2) For 'heavy

Re: [Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2006-01-03 Thread Jonathan Cyr
Do we know Is the Zope community growing or shrinking? Is there even a problem? Is Python growing or shrinking? Is there any connection? Zope.org seems to have been built as a community center, with accounts/ 3rd party add-ons etc. Is it working. RubyonRails.com has none of this

[Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

2005-12-22 Thread Gert Thiel
Dear friends. A few days ago the Ruby on Rails development team published the 1.0 release. At that occasion the Zope fans are reminded how far Zope fell far behind in terms of attention and recognized widespread. Python has batteries included. Zope is a power plant. But still everyone speaks of