Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!
On 12/27/05, Michael Haubenwallner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Sawyers wrote: On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 10:03 +0800, Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote:The 'closed group' dissolved a while ago.that's sad(?)anything came out of the group?i think we need to do to zope.org what we did to zope2.ignore and build.leave it asold.zope.org and link from the new site. That was the plan.I'd like to revive the plan.:)Volunteers? AndrewCount me inMichael me three. i;ll try and find time. and also find where i can help --http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org___Zope maillist-Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding!**(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- http://myzope.kedai.com.my - my-zope org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!
what's needed to spruce up the howtos, or zope.org? iirc, there was a closed group with that mission setup some time back It wasn't really 'closed' - just 'well defined'. It fell apart, due to both of the committed developers backing out due to commitments they couldn't get around. I am still highly interested in helping lead this and actually doing work if we had 1 or 2 others who were committed. We also already have a designer put in some time to assist with a nicer look and feel who is still willing to work on this. The goal was not to just 'spruce' things up, but rather change the focus of the site from everything to just Zope the software, Zope Documentation, and Zope Community. I was just talking about this on Christmas with someone, so there's still hope it will happen. Andrew Sawyers ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!
On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 10:03 +0800, Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote: The 'closed group' dissolved a while ago. that's sad(?) anything came out of the group? i think we need to do to zope.org what we did to zope2. ignore and build. leave it as old.zope.org and link from the new site. That was the plan. I'd like to revive the plan. :) Volunteers? Andrew ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!
Andrew Sawyers wrote: On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 10:03 +0800, Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote: The 'closed group' dissolved a while ago. that's sad(?) anything came out of the group? i think we need to do to zope.org what we did to zope2. ignore and build. leave it as old.zope.org and link from the new site. That was the plan. I'd like to revive the plan. :) Volunteers? Andrew Count me in Michael -- http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!
Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote: On 12/24/05, *Michael Haubenwallner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The batch limit is set to '300', limiting the display of a sorted result set. Here are numbers from the database: old style howtos : 1986 (created until 2003) new style howtos :251 (created after the transition to plone) new published howtos : 90 The 'closed group' dissolved a while ago. that's sad(?) anything came out of the group? i think we need to do to zope.org http://zope.org what we did to zope2. ignore and build. leave it as old.zope.org http://old.zope.org and link from the new site. happy holidays Hth, Michael Ignore and build , I agree too :-) Merry Christmas from Greece ! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!
zope.org HowTos are something between 1000 and 3000 documents. Everyonewanting to help to review and consolidate that information is welcome to send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to the zope-web mailing list ( zope-web@zope.org). MichaelI think you are wrong , on Zope site it say's - Zope How-Tos 1- 20 of 300i think that was remnants of the migration way back when it's hardcoded, then.what's needed to spruce up the howtos, or zope.org? iirc, there was a closed group with that mission setup some time back cheers...___Zope maillist-Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding!**(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- http://myzope.kedai.com.my - my-zope org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!
Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote: Here are my ideas to make Zope 3 the most successful framework ever: Make them love Zope at the very first look: * Make installing Zope a double-click or one-command-only experience and * offer a 30 minutes tutorial of programming an useful application including an audiovisual show for an appetizer that offers a feeling of success. Enable the beginners: * Easy to read and understand ‹ but still complete and current ‹ documentation is a must. * Avoid cluttering everything about Zope across articles, blogs, chats, mailing lists and wikis. Keep everything available and searchable at one central location. I think Make them love Zope at the very first look and Enable the Beginner is on the same issue , I consider my self a beginner and trying to learn Zope I found many resources on google but a little bit of chaos , a better united source from the central Zope (Zope.org) it is required. I is a shame to know that there is a big help and a big community but not so well united and organized. Zope Book 2.7 it is in the same stage it was before 3,5 months ago when I started to reading it with some example only in DTML when Zope encourage leaving DTML for ZPT. The how-to section (http://www.zope.org/Documentation/How-To/index_html?sort_on=modifiedsort_order=reverse) have *_only_* 3 post's for the year *2005 *!!! A Zope editor is a must or to find another way more flexible ! external editor product it is steel a way but a ugly way in my opinion (no offense for the product) , to add numbers on every line when coding it will be a big step. I don't want to blame the official Zope team , the are running with hard work for sure. It is just that Zope can do so much thing's compare to other products out there but important details have been left unaccomplished... I hope the point of this mail is to make Zope better and not to be considered as an accusation or an attack... Zope need and can become better :) zope.org HowTos are something between 1000 and 3000 documents. Everyone wanting to help to review and consolidate that information is welcome to send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to the zope-web mailing list (zope-web@zope.org). Michael I think you are wrong , on Zope site it say's - Zope How-Tos 1- 20 of 300 cheers... ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
