Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
+1 -- jmce: +351 919838775 ~ http://artenumerica.com/ ~ http://artenumerica.org/ ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
> | -1 == disagree > > You will only ever see votes from people wanting change... > apathy rules > otherwise. Then when it changes you'll see a whole bunch of > bitching about > the change, and how there's 1,000 people on the list and only > 20 people > voted... etc. d8) Mailling list votes are often a bad idea... I don't know of a better one though :( We have exactly the same problem in the Real World, of course. The alternative is to have some arbitrary group trying to guess the right decision, which will (of course) always lead to an equal or greater amount of bitching :) I'll be moving off the list to some sort of web-poll, but the fact will remain that those who only become opinionated after the fact will never be happy :) Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
> +1 == agree > > +/-0 == no strong opinion > > -1 == disagree +1 (If anyone *does* have an objection, they'd better get in quick before it's too late!) ;-) John -- John Chandler / Software Developer / New Information Paradigms Ltd [ Linux in the office, AmigaOS in the home, PalmOS in the pocket ] The opinions above aren't those of my company... ...but then, they aren't really mine either. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
my vote is: +1 Jerome ALET - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome Faculte de Medecine de Nice - http://noe.unice.fr - Tel: 04 93 37 76 30 28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
+1 > > > +1 == agree > > +/-0 == no strong opinion > > -1 == disagree > ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
+[ Brian Lloyd ]- | Hi all - | | There has recently been some confusion over the expected | behavior of various approaches to DateTime formatting in | Zope regarding timezone representation. I would like to | resolve this for the next release by making a proposal | and asking you to reply to the list with a "vote": | | +1 == agree | | +/-0 == no strong opinion | | -1 == disagree You will only ever see votes from people wanting change... apathy rules otherwise. Then when it changes you'll see a whole bunch of bitching about the change, and how there's 1,000 people on the list and only 20 people voted... etc. d8) Mailling list votes are often a bad idea... -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
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[Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
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Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
+1 -- Tim Cook -- FreePM Project Coordinator - http://www.freepm.org OS Healthcare Alliance Supporter - http://www.oshca.org ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
+1 On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Brian Lloyd wrote: > Hi all - > > There has recently been some confusion over the expected > behavior of various approaches to DateTime formatting in > Zope regarding timezone representation. I would like to > resolve this for the next release by making a proposal > and asking you to reply to the list with a "vote": > > +1 == agree > > +/-0 == no strong opinion > > -1 == disagree > > > So then, here is the situation. In Zope 2.2 (and earlier), > formatting a date using either: > > > > > > ...would give you the date *formatted based on GMT rather than > uthe timezone (usually local) representation of the object*. > Simply doing: > > > > ...however, would print the date in the current timezone of > tthe datetime object. > > Many feel that this difference is unintuitive and a pain. The > proposal is that both: > > > > > > ...would be changed to apply the format to the current TZ > rrepresentation of the object rather than convert to GMT. Of > course, this could be a problem if there are people currently > counting on the output being GMT, which is why we're putting it > to a vote. If this change is made for 2.2.1, those who still > wanted the output in GMT could just call the 'toZone()' method > of the datetime object to get a GMT version before formatting: > > > > > What do you think? > > > Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Software Engineer 540.371.6909 > Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com > > > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
+1 I've said a lot on this already ;-) Chris On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Brian Lloyd wrote: > Hi all - > > There has recently been some confusion over the expected > behavior of various approaches to DateTime formatting in > Zope regarding timezone representation. I would like to > resolve this for the next release by making a proposal > and asking you to reply to the list with a "vote": > > +1 == agree > > +/-0 == no strong opinion > > -1 == disagree > > > So then, here is the situation. In Zope 2.2 (and earlier), > formatting a date using either: > > > > > > ...would give you the date *formatted based on GMT rather than > the timezone (usually local) representation of the object*. > Simply doing: > > > > ...however, would print the date in the current timezone of > the datetime object. > > Many feel that this difference is unintuitive and a pain. The > proposal is that both: > > > > > > ...would be changed to apply the format to the current TZ > representation of the object rather than convert to GMT. Of > course, this could be a problem if there are people currently > counting on the output being GMT, which is why we're putting it > to a vote. If this change is made for 2.2.1, those who still > wanted the output in GMT could just call the 'toZone()' method > of the datetime object to get a GMT version before formatting: > > > > > What do you think? > > > Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Software Engineer 540.371.6909 > Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com > > > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
+1 > -Original Message- > From: Brian Lloyd [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:35 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() > behavior be? > > Hi all - > > There has recently been some confusion over the expected > behavior of various approaches to DateTime formatting in > Zope regarding timezone representation. I would like to > resolve this for the next release by making a proposal > and asking you to reply to the list with a "vote": > > +1 == agree > > +/-0 == no strong opinion > > -1 == disagree > > > So then, here is the situation. In Zope 2.2 (and earlier), > formatting a date using either: > > > > > > ...would give you the date *formatted based on GMT rather than > the timezone (usually local) representation of the object*. > Simply doing: > > > > ...however, would print the date in the current timezone of > the datetime object. > > Many feel that this difference is unintuitive and a pain. The > proposal is that both: > > > > > > ...would be changed to apply the format to the current TZ > representation of the object rather than convert to GMT. Of > course, this could be a problem if there are people currently > counting on the output being GMT, which is why we're putting it > to a vote. If this change is made for 2.2.1, those who still > wanted the output in GMT could just call the 'toZone()' method > of the datetime object to get a GMT version before formatting: > > > > > What do you think? > > > Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Software Engineer 540.371.6909 > Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com > > > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
+1 - Original Message - From: "Brian Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:35 AM Subject: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be? > Hi all - > > There has recently been some confusion over the expected > behavior of various approaches to DateTime formatting in > Zope regarding timezone representation. I would like to > resolve this for the next release by making a proposal > and asking you to reply to the list with a "vote": > > +1 == agree > > +/-0 == no strong opinion > > -1 == disagree > > > So then, here is the situation. In Zope 2.2 (and earlier), > formatting a date using either: > > > > > > ...would give you the date *formatted based on GMT rather than > the timezone (usually local) representation of the object*. > Simply doing: > > > > ...however, would print the date in the current timezone of > the datetime object. > > Many feel that this difference is unintuitive and a pain. The > proposal is that both: > > > > > > ...would be changed to apply the format to the current TZ > representation of the object rather than convert to GMT. Of > course, this could be a problem if there are people currently > counting on the output being GMT, which is why we're putting it > to a vote. If this change is made for 2.2.1, those who still > wanted the output in GMT could just call the 'toZone()' method > of the datetime object to get a GMT version before formatting: > > > > > What do you think? > > > Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Software Engineer 540.371.6909 > Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com > > > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
Brian Lloyd wrote: > > What do you think? +1 -- Nick Garcia | [EMAIL PROTECTED] CodeIt Computing | http://codeit.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
> ...would be changed to apply the format to the current TZ > representation of the object rather than convert to GMT. +1 Actually +10 but that wasn't an option. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Your feedback: what should DateTime strftime() behavior be?
Hi all - There has recently been some confusion over the expected behavior of various approaches to DateTime formatting in Zope regarding timezone representation. I would like to resolve this for the next release by making a proposal and asking you to reply to the list with a "vote": +1 == agree +/-0 == no strong opinion -1 == disagree So then, here is the situation. In Zope 2.2 (and earlier), formatting a date using either: ...would give you the date *formatted based on GMT rather than the timezone (usually local) representation of the object*. Simply doing: ...however, would print the date in the current timezone of the datetime object. Many feel that this difference is unintuitive and a pain. The proposal is that both: ...would be changed to apply the format to the current TZ representation of the object rather than convert to GMT. Of course, this could be a problem if there are people currently counting on the output being GMT, which is why we're putting it to a vote. If this change is made for 2.2.1, those who still wanted the output in GMT could just call the 'toZone()' method of the datetime object to get a GMT version before formatting: What do you think? Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
