RE: [Zope] Zope declining?

2000-11-13 Thread Jason C. Leach

hi,

I might atribute any decline in this list to one of several things:

1. Documentation has much improuved, thus people can look up the answers
and not soly rely on this list.
- Zope Book specificaly.
- Training clases.
2. Many of the people are now way past the general skill level in this
list and have lost interest.
3. Alt. sources of info like: irc.zope.net #Zope

It's obvious when you see companies like www.cbsnewyork.com runing zope
that it is gaining in market penetration.

j.

..
. Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
.. 

On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Max M wrote:

 From: Hung Jung Lu
 
 From the mailing list volume in the last 3 months, it is not hard to see
 that there is a steady decline. This compared to the trend of last two
 years
 (doubling volume every year), should probably raise a red flag.
 
 My experience here is that the list isn't much help. It can be very hard to
 get a question answered!
 
 Especially when it gets out of the "Hello World" level.
 
 And when a question eventually do get answered it is often terse and hard to
 understand.
 
 It would be nice if more of the devlopers would spend some time on this
 list, as it would really save those of us still learning a LOT of time.
 
 Coming from the Python list this is really a big difference. If I have a
 Python question I get an answer very quickly from the top Python guys. On
 this list I hardly ever see the top guys, and it can be really frustrating
 sitting with a problem for hours or days knowing that somebody could solve
 it in a few minutes.
 
 I am using the 2 minutes rule myself. Any qustion that I can answer in less
 than 2 minutes I will. 2 minutes isn't to much so I can answer a reasonable
 amount of questions and still get work done. When I get better I will be
 able to solve harder problems in 2 minutes.
 
 If only somebody better would take 2 minutes to solve some of my questions
 :-)
 
 Regards
 
 Max M
 
 


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RE: [Zope] Zope declining?

2000-11-13 Thread Hung Jung Lu

From: "Jason C. Leach" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. Many of the people are now way past the general skill level in this
list and have lost interest.
3. Alt. sources of info like: irc.zope.net #Zope

It's obvious when you see companies like www.cbsnewyork.com runing zope
that it is gaining in market penetration.

This site definitely is re-assuring. :) Thanks for the good news. I am 
nowadays more in the Javaland than Pythonland.

Haven't tried irc in these years. It used to be that if newsgroups were 
cocaine, irc would be morphine, so I avoided it completely. :)

regards,

Hung Jung

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RE: [Zope] Zope declining?

2000-11-12 Thread Max M

From: Hung Jung Lu

From the mailing list volume in the last 3 months, it is not hard to see
that there is a steady decline. This compared to the trend of last two
years
(doubling volume every year), should probably raise a red flag.

My experience here is that the list isn't much help. It can be very hard to
get a question answered!

Especially when it gets out of the "Hello World" level.

And when a question eventually do get answered it is often terse and hard to
understand.

It would be nice if more of the devlopers would spend some time on this
list, as it would really save those of us still learning a LOT of time.

Coming from the Python list this is really a big difference. If I have a
Python question I get an answer very quickly from the top Python guys. On
this list I hardly ever see the top guys, and it can be really frustrating
sitting with a problem for hours or days knowing that somebody could solve
it in a few minutes.

I am using the 2 minutes rule myself. Any qustion that I can answer in less
than 2 minutes I will. 2 minutes isn't to much so I can answer a reasonable
amount of questions and still get work done. When I get better I will be
able to solve harder problems in 2 minutes.

If only somebody better would take 2 minutes to solve some of my questions
:-)

Regards

Max M


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[Zope] Zope declining?

2000-11-11 Thread Hung Jung Lu

Hi,

From the mailing list volume in the last 3 months, it is not hard to see 
that there is a steady decline. This compared to the trend of last two years 
(doubling volume every year), should probably raise a red flag.

I know what many would say: there are now more experts than newbies as 
compared to before. There are not as many problems as before, etc. But that 
is that really all? I don't think so.

regards,

Hung Jung

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Re: [Zope] Zope declining?

2000-11-11 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton

+---[ Hung Jung Lu ]--
| Hi,

[Snip]

| I know what many would say: there are now more experts than newbies as 
| compared to before. There are not as many problems as before, etc. But that 
| is that really all? I don't think so.

I think they're all coming to the IRC channel for help, its more immediate,
traffic in there has picked up quite a bit.

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